I think im following you. Where about in Liverpool did you live?
I have lived in Sheffield for the last 5 years but was born in Liverpool and im moving back there in a couple of months. Ive even been on day trips to Wales


Come on the Guardian may be left wing but so is most of this country. I think its funny. I buy the Guardian (alternate between a few newspapers), and it wasnt the most sensible thing to do but so what.
I was watching a news program this morning and they had a poll to see if the public supported the sending of more troops. 8000 people rang up and 86% did not want to send more troops.

Whats more disturbing is the quote from the bottom of the page of the link.

I cant see why anyone in Britain would be offended by this......

some place called aigburth... went to school there a while as well... granted it wasnt that long but if youre an american over in england it doesnt take long for politics to pop into conversation...

So Britian's occupation of India never happened etc. etc.
the list goes on

yeah thats a complement. did you know he now controlls the media over there? seems things are heading back to the communist ways. what a great backing for bush. altho i'm sure they'd get along great, that have the same goal. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and controll.

It really is sad how the British spines have jellied over the past fifty years. What happened to the Empire? Nothing but a bunch of teary eyed school girls.

you really are a twat.

sorry but its true.

What did the empire get us? Hated all over the world.

It is so obvious you think its funny to wind people up to spark a reaction I'm not going to lower myself to your level.

i totally agree. i think everyone should just stop acknowledging bluedeath's comments altogether. they have no merit.

The Russians ass raped all of Europe. Certainly Germany. I am thoroughly enjoying Putin's tactics. His latest scam fronting actual Chechens with KGB in that school takeover was beautiful. They actually executed the kids. I love to watch a master at work. He has successfully turned the tide on the Russian Mafia and turned oil futures into one of Russia's most lucrative investments. Watching Putin at work gives me a Semi.

ah well, he quotes things just about as well as his fearless leader president bush. i'd swear he's almost bush's offspring.

I do not mean a fall rain. Hasn't anyone lived where it snows? The grime from city snow is never completely cleaned off until the spring rains. Morons.

Don't patronize me. You attempt to act like some kind of King Solomon and guess what...

They are not going to make you a mod. I have seen you campaigning and all of the edited wisdom you can muster wont get you there.

Did everyone miss that? The only wat France would have ass raped Germany is if the German Soldiers were allergic to white flags.
Estin, I've yet to see an intelligent and on-topic post by you in the Politics, News and Religion forums.
Melon, I agree, the SAS would rape any special forces group America, and many other nations for that matter, tossed at them.

"you are a fucking idiot"
$20 says I could defeat the Waffen-SS with a toothpick and a swis army knife that's equiped with a usb drive (wtf were they thinking), considering they were already defeated a good 60 years back.

So much ammo, so little time

You should try checking out a Euro History Book; maybe you should go back to college and major in it? If you remember France was the one who pushed for the War Guilt Clause after World War I, this left Germany (who was actually the best off of all the countries in Europe, since none of the battles took place within its boarders) with the entire debt of the war, which is again why France should have absolutely no say in foreign policy. Well I'm sure you all remember what happened after that didn't work out, Germany's inflation sky rocketed and eventually it turned into a depression, where it was cheaper to burn your money to keep you warm, than to actually attempt to use it to purchase anything. Then came that wonderful man which the all the world embraced with open arms, Adolf Hitler. Anyway after World War II (why has France and the majority of Europe yet to realize that appeasement simply doesn't work?), France (although you could argue that most everyone wanted this) did everything possible to ensure that Germany did not comeback to power, and re arm. They are the ones who pushed for soviet control of Germany, with Germany split in 2 (actually 4 if I recall correctly, USA, Brit, France, and the rest USSR) there was no way they could reunite and become the awesome war machine they were before. France has always been scared shitless of Germany (with good reason of course, they have lost every time they encountered them) ever since the 30 years war, when Prussia (Germany) decided to finally establish a national military. Anyway France didn't want the Berlin Wall to be dismantled because they were afraid that if Germany were to reunite that they would become too nationalistic and would ultimately embrace Nazism (many historians argue that Hitler was the best thing to ever happen to Germany) again (West Germany has been democratic for only 50 years or so, and East Germany about 15). Anyway I don't really care to write out a bunch of crap to support my argument, when you could just as easily find a good European History book and find out for yourself. You also might find it somewhat surprising how one could actually link France to just about every major fuckup in the history of the modern world: Africa, Canada, Vietnam, and World War II just to name a few, this of course due to France's bullshit attempts at foreign policy.

Firstly i was taking the piss I couldnt give a fuck whose soldiers are hardest, only idiots care so they can go yeah are country rules and kicks ass yeah!!

Try England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Israel, Im pretty sure you can include a shit load of other countries as well. Why dont you look it up in some history books.

And due to our Empire at the time there was no doubt we were the best off country.


You talk absolute bullshit and constantly confuse WWI and WWII

You are talking out of your arse!

actually 2, the US, UK and France were a coallition.

Again complete bullshit!

Africa is the fault of most western countries, it is crippled by debt and repayments to institutes like the IMF.

A few Canadians will want an explanation to why there country is a fuck up.

France were at war with Vietnam before America but who was responsible for 4 MILLION deaths? It was America in case you didnt know.

World War II ??????????

The ongoing situation in Africa and the Vietnam conflict were worsened by American involvment.

Little boy a lot of people on this forum are very educated and know a lot about history. Virtually all of what you wrote is factually incorrect, your post was so full of holes and ill logic it was quite frankly embarrassing. I shouldnt be this harsh on you because it is obvious you are about twelve but you exude arrogance that what youre saying is correct. You obviously dont listen in history class and if you do you should sack your teacher for teaching you bullshit.


edit: spot the retarded mistake of including Israel

You have to be jse. Only idiots are proud of their country? Only idiots die so that others can enjoy the freedoms they did while living in their country? You sound like an ungrateful little prick, whose mind is weak and easily swayed by various conspiracy theories. I also it is funny how you call me arrogant yet you feel your opinion is absolute; you my friend are an asshole.

I don't know what history books you have been reading, but last time I checked Israel wasn't founded until 1948, not between the years of 1914-1918, although I could be wrong. Ireland didn't lend much of a helping hand in World War I or World War II, they didn't feel it is their fight (which is why there were the series of revolts in South Ireland against "occupying" British Troops), also why would you help out someone who thinks of you as a second class citizen (Ireland still has yet to receive home rule)? Britain wasn't so great off after the war, they suffered a large amount of casualties which totaled to about 35% of their total military (although they weren't as bad as France and Russia who lost more than half of their forces). Actually Germany was the best off again, they weren't militarily defeated, and NONE OF THE BATTLES TOOK PLACE WITHIN THEIR BOARDERS, which is why they were burdened with the entire debt of the war (which is why you can thank France entirely for WWII). Actually nothing was misleading I specifically stated World War I, and how France's need for revenge on Germany lead them to pass the War Guilt Clause leaving Germany with bearing the unimaginable burden of the entire war. This in turn led Germany into a depression, and guess what happened during that depression? Adolf Hitler gained influence and power (which wasn't possible when Keiser Wilhelm II was in power) and eventually overthrow the Weimar Republic (proof that democracy doesn't work in a country that has no history of it), which then lead of course to World War II.

Or not. France is so scared of Germany (especially after the France-Prussian War) that they will do everything in their power to make sure they do not become a super power again. That included the dividing Berlin into 4 parts (yes for you fucking idiot, 1 half comprised of the Allies (UK, USA, France), the other of the USSR), and approving the Soviet's erection of the Berlin Wall. It feels good being right.

Actually it was 4. One half comprised of the UK, USA, France (the Allies), the other half belonged to the USSR.

Speechless yes, because you are a fucking idiot. What did Hitler do for Germany? Let's see: He brought them out of a depression, supplied every citizen with a job, rearmed Germany, regained Germany's honor, kicked France's ass again, brought the Olympic games to Germany, in short he fulfilled every promise he made to the German people. Hitler established a Golden Age in Germany; it is too bad it was short lived.

1) Yes all the major western players had a part in fucking over Africa, but I assure France had the biggest.

2) Why do Canadians need an explanation? It's Canada.

3) The United States would have never gone to Vietnam to restore order, had France not fucked it up, yet again.

4) As previously stated France was the sole cause of World War II, try reading up on the War Guilt Clause, it was because of that that Adolf Hitler was able to attain power.

5) First off I am no longer a child, but a man. Secondly you're incoherent ramblings don't incline me to think of you as "educated", or that you know much about history for that matter. I'm guessing this is mainly due in part to the fact that English is not your native language. Actually all my facts are correct, and if you require some sources I would be happy to provide them, there is nothing wrong with my logic, because it is based on factual research. You are right you shouldn't criticize me harshly, because it just makes you look more like an idiot, giving light to your weak argument. I think I listened well enough I scored a 3 on the Euro AP test (although I feel I could have easily achieved a 4), and obviously my teacher is not at fault here, because had I not listened or wanted to learn, the blame would have fallen squarely on me.

Since you are so anti-american, I think you might enjoy this phrase, "Seig Heil! Ich phasen nur zu dienen sie herr Moore, mien fuhrer, und mien vaterland!"

Auf Wiedersehen .

I can assure you this is incorrect as half my family is from County Wicklow.
Obviously you will know more than me about this though. Maybe you were thinking of Northern Ireland not Eire which has the Euro as currency and a completely independent Government? I could be wrong its not like my mum is Irish or anything, oh i forgot she is!

When did America or Britain last fight because it had to? WWII (unless you count Falklands for us but thats debatable). No soldier in Iraq is dying to save my life or preserve my freedom because Iraq was not a risk to either of our countries.
Anyway I didnt even slag off the army. I slagged off people who are a bit obsessed with the military, people like yourself who are proud because you think the marines are the hardest or brits who are like SAS kicks ass or whatever.

You talk in the present tense, France is now a close Ally of Germany and Europe has largely forgiven it for its past crimes.
Sorry but my memory is a bit blurry I forget if Germany was once known as East Germany and West Germany? It might of been North, East, South, and West Germany????
It was split in 2 if you cant grasp this there is no hope for you. It had two football teams and two Governments.
Russia was the enemy after WWII why would France approve anything they done.

I would love you to back up any of what your saying because it is so much bullshit

here is a few links read up then come back and admit you talk out of your arse.
http://www.firstworldwar.com/maps/graphics..._off_(1600).jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwone/versailles_01.shtml

you will see you are wrong about germany being overly burdened after the war, and i should point out that no troops landed on british soil during the war, and since Ireland is still Europe you are proven wrong again.

I havent even touche on Africa, Vietnam, Canada???

and just because I am anti-you does not mean I am anti-american.


I cant be arsed debating with you because nothing you say has any merit.

It's ok.

To my knowledge Ireland still, to this day, does not have home-rule (only the limited one, granted to them in the Government of Ireland Act of 1920). If I recall correctly Sinn Fein rejected it, and continued to support the IRA in its campaign for a united Irish republic.

As far as I know, the USA never really considered Nazi Germany a threat, we felt it was your war not ours, in fact there were many Nazi sympathizers throughout the USA. That was your war not ours, and the only reason we entered was because of Japan, had they not attacked us, I can almost guarantee you'd be speaking German right now. You are right about the Falklands War being an unnecessary one, it was after all an imperialistic war (and I thought imperialism was over by then ) . Also I never said anything about the marines being the greatest, I simply clarified that they are a branch of the military not a unit. I think you are confusing me with bluedeath.

I stand by my remarks, if you look at France's past actions towards Germany you will see that it is out of fear, France is not the pinnacle of modern society that they make themselves out to be. Why is it that Germany is not allowed to have a large standing army? Could it be because the world is a friendly place and there is no need for Germany to rearm (what about the growing threat of the evil fascist America)? France is scared shitless of Germany. As for the division of East and West Germany, maybe you don't comprehend English? I will draw you a picture:

Yes France disliked the USSR, but that doesn't mean they still didn't fear the reunification of Germany. They saw the Berlin wall as a method to extract revenge upon the German people.

So Germany wasn’t overly burdened after World War I, are you sure? You might want to rethink that one, here is the infamous War Guilt Clause:

Here is a link to the Versailles Treaty if you wish to read it in its entirety:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/menu.htm

Also you are right about Britain not being invaded, I never disputed that, still Germany was the best off after the war, which was another reason why they were burdened with the entire debt of the war. Remember that in World War 1 Germany was never defeated militarily, and again none of the battles took place within their boarders.

Because I am right.

Correct, and I'm glad you share a strong dislike towards me for having an opinion that differs from yours.

Too late, you just did .

Yup, france historically bends over and spreads its arse cheeks at the slightest hint of trouble!! Beacause of this, us brits had to bomb the shit out of a few of their ships when the nazis made them try to attack us,even though we gave them every chance to back the fuck off and go home so we could help them out!! Its one of the main reasons they dislike us!! They should think themselves lucky they had a resistance movement that saw sense and worked with us to get them out of the shit they got themselves into in the first place!!

Sorry iran, but Eire does have its own government, the deal with england was to let ireland have the southern bit (Eire), but for England to continue to rule the northern part, which obviously they werent too pleased about, hence sinn fein rejecting it and continuing the fight for a united irish republic with the IRA terroritsts bombing the living shit out of us for years after!! The treaty still stood even though not recognised by sinn fein. Dont tell me you havent seen michael collins? http://www2.cruzio.com/~sbarrett/mcollins.htm

Keep it clenched!!

glad i could help.

I haven't seen nemt for a while. Is it him?

Nope, not me, didnt notice a thing!

Absolutely not!