well does anyone know where the diagram went so we can fix it via hardware?

Over there at X3 team they hook the sucker fish then they just play them as they reel them in. Hows that hook taste you bit on?

the bios is out...I dont have my eqipment here to test calling jroc or some one.

Here are the results for the new x3 bios:



For those that don't understand the oscilloscope capture:

This issue has not been resolved by using the "X3 2913 v16plus" bios, the x3 chip always has, and still does hold LFRAME low despite the claims from the team. There is absolutely no difference from the old 1959 bios

In the small chance that LFRAME was released after the time frame shown on the scope, or after a dashboard is launched, I left the xbox running for 10 minutes. LFRAME was never released.

mbratton: A mirror is provided by Bulan, and can be found at http://xbox.bula.nu/resistor_install_1.6.asp

bah. I kinda figured. posting to the bug list. has any one tired that smart xxboard yet

catdog2 you are awesome!!!

Thanks for the info!

I TOLD YOU SO!

This doesnt mean though they cant fix it. And I already acknowledged that it might not be fixed long berofe the bios released. Its been submitted to the bug request so who knows.

Edit: from xecuter:

yes correct I forgot to edit the changelog - thanks

releasing lframe from ground works great in bios HOWEVER it was disabling mod on a soft reboot - so we disabled it until we got it working better. Thanks for the heads up.

most likly a lie but know that they admited it they shoudl in turn be required to fix it as alot of people were looking forward to it.

Does anybody have a pic of the completed mod. I want to be possitive that I cut and solder in the right places.

Also, what are you guys using to cut the trace?

I just used a exacto blade

Yeah, I was thinking about trying that. I wasn't sure if it would cut deep enough, or wide enough to keep the circuit properly open.

Just FYI:
The summary/mirror of this thread is updated with latest finding of new Xecuter BIOS.

http://xbox.bula.nu/resistor_install_1.6.asp

Allright, thanks. There are so many pages on this thread. I wasn't sure if there was an updated diagram or summary of the final findings.

this is hilarious

1) of course we can control d0 / lframe with our bios/ X3 has always had d0/lframe control via software (note the option to reboot xbox with X3 disabled in the menu ??)

2) going into the cpld via the i2c bus is a funny joke ? i dont get you ? the cpld completely controls the x3's i2c bus - of course it does or else how would it work ?

3) the bios updating the cpld ??

are you high ? lol

the problem we have is soft reboot is forcing the mod to disable the mod each time (as our bios communicates with the CPLD to release d0 / lframe from ground) we are looking into it further. we also fixed some other bugs today (game save cert key bug and custom partition table fix)

oh come on why the hell would it be a lie - i get sick of comments like this freind - we work hard on this stuff and deliver every single time you can test yourself that d0/lframe gets released by the bios right now ( Boot X3 Disabled hack in X3 Config Live Menu)

we are just having some issues with softreboot and mod disable (after softreboot the dash wont launch).

I should also point out that we are not required to fix or add anything to any bios release - its a free peice of software that a number of people work on in their spare time free of charge. However we take users requests on board all the time and add what we can when we can - as proved time and time again.

We'll find a work around for this disable bullshit - and also in the meantime we will make an updated rebuild pcb just to curb the paranoia. the extra cost to us is about 0.05c so its hardly a big deal.

I have installed my Xenium Blue on my 1.6 by rebuilding the LPC on the bottom of the board, including the alternative D0 there.

The image on http://xbox.bula.nu/resistor_install_1.6.asp shows the top of the board. Should I still use these points to install the resistor and cut the trace shown, or should I use another trace?

Thanks for the help,

Ash

xecuter dont get me wrong I will never buy another chip but yours. Im tired of getting flamed about saying trust teamxecuter when things get delayed. I really dont mean to call you a liar and Im sorry for that. I do trust that you fixed it but are having some issues. Of course if the mod is disabled thenit wont hold the lframe unless im not understanding correctly. And Im glad you will make a PCB that would be sweet. Can some one confirm what he is talking about?

I think there is a new BIOS out for the X3's that do something about this problem. But then again, I could be wrong.

- EDIT opps.. old news.

No I'm not HIGH I'm the mod chip designer that ACTUALLY HAS this
W O R K I N G !

You need to quit the jibba jabber.

You'll never fix this through the I2c bus it doesn't matter. How did I know BEFORE the bios was released it wasn't fixed? I wrote chips to control the xbox I2C bus aswell.

This thread isn't for your tall tales it's for independants to post their findings and accomplishments and you should start a new thread instead of posting 3 posts in a row in this one. You can name your new thread 'why we didn't do what we said we did' because that's what people are asking.

This thread also isnt for manufacturers to flex there ePenis. This thread is here for those who are concerned, advising them how to fix it. This thread is also here for manufacuters refrence and for them to address what they are going to do about it.

Smartxx made a solution, TeamXecuter is working on one, Wheres DuoX, Team Xodus, Where are the others.

Thats what I thought.

Now back to the topic @ hand xecuter any idea when this board will be availaible. Or an update that really fixes the problem.


[my personal opinion]
And just for the record. I still love my X3, X2 and X1 I wouldnt buy another chip. Yes I am an xecuter fanboy why becuase we have the accessories, we have the bios, and @ the end of the day. It is xecuter products that power 75% of the chips out there.
[/my personal opinion]

what modchips did you exactly write? and what did you do on the i2c bus? do you even know what the i2c bus is? how do you figure that the x3 cpld can't control the d0 and the i2c bus? can you explain to me how you can reboot with the modchip disabled via software only if there is no cpld code to control d0?

Anyone know when the new pcb that xecuter talked about is slated for release...I'm dreading removing my old one though...

You are going to look oh so silly if Hippo even bothers appeasing you with a reply.
You question him yet you obviously know nothing of him or his work or the modchips he has designed including a brand new one out any day. Believe me it has features that all the others don't.
You have been a member here a while I am surprised by you child like response. Do some research on the guy and what he has achieved before you question him, you will wish you had when you know the facts.
Biggest fact is Hippo knows exactly what he is on about and certainly has the knowledge and design experience on all this to back it up.

BILLY MUST HAVE THE CIRCUITS UNDER LOCK & KEY . There would usualy be something around by now . Any circuits of main board , power supplys , even the chips would be good. Cross your fingers. cheers henno.

New poll up check it out.

http://www.teamxecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25455

You are so far up Xecuter's Ass we will need the jaws of life to get you out. Damn Ass kisser...

Nope not an ass kisser. I just reconize good hardware when I see it. Yea they may be a little rough around the edges, they may not meet all delievery dates, they also may not have the best customer service. But there is a reason why they have sold more chips than any one. There is a reason why they delay things. There is a reason why the most used bios is an xecuter bios. Why beucase they deliver the power the performance and the addons.

Anandtech did a write up on mod chips he installed a smartxx. And he used the Xecuter bios....NEED I SAY MORE.

He purchased a smartxx cause it was @ that time the only no solder chip. MS spends more time trying to thwart the Xecuter products because they see them as a risk. More than others.


THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THIS NONSENSE SO STOP BRINGING IT UP. THIS THREAD IS ABOUT FIXING THE ISSUES.

Its call good advertising, it doesn't mean there chips are better.I have installed well over 500 modchips (out of all of them maybe 10 xecuters) the rest either Aladdins or Duox2 and some other ones with excellent results. Don't get me wrong, they have good products (expensive also) but that doens't mean you have to kiss up to them and not criticize them.

A problem was found and they tried to avoid it like it wasn't there. Then they go and claim they fixed it (when it supposely did not exist) and now they complain becuase we tell them they didn't fix anything.

You are just digging yourself even deeper up there ass..

You must be kidding right ?! Though Xecuter chips might be full of (useful ?!?! ) features but very expensive, it is the cheap Aladdin series and their countless clones that rule the modding scene. Ask those sellers who sell in bulk to serious modders what is their ratio of Xecuter chips vs the cheap, cheap Aladdin chips sold ... haha ...

One good quality Aladdin XT 4064 clone can be available for US$5-9 in bulk (depending on sources) and work pretty well!

Quite often I am paid only US$30 for a complete modding service that includes the Aladdin XT mod chip + hdd upgrade + homebrew software install. Based on the number of mod chips I have installed so far, the ratio of Aladdin chips to SmartXX + Xecuter chips is 100:1.

yeah, original xenochip xt chips (not clones) usually run my store $5 to 7 in bulk and are great reliable chips. for the customer that wants to be the king of showing off at the halo 2 lan, they usually opt for the x3, but for most people, the xenochips do the job well.

i personally prefer the x3 and think it's worth the money 100%. mainly because of the addons that team x offers (x3cp, x3 pro switch, x3lcd, etc.)

back to the discussion:
how did the smartxx team make the resistors on the rebuild board work without cutting the lframe trace on top? that would be a great thing to be able to do for someone that doesn't have a smartxx rebuild board, then installs could be undone much more easily if needed. i personally don't own one of their rebuild boards, so I cant help with it, but we may want to follow it so there's no more cut traces on our boxes.

I have a V1.6 and I got a X-Ecuter 3 CE will it have that same problem

yes

Well im not sure I know ther is a pullup transistor i also know this can be made to work with the X3 and other chips you just need to solcer some pins flush

I tend to fly below radar. When I design something I tend to post in the forums that's most related and ignore posting any press releases to main news page here. If you dont subscribe to those forums you've never heard of me. If I did post news releases in the main news area it wouldn't be about topics related to me openly sobbing about being called a liar or posts about the ever widening spiral of their own insignificance.

I go out of my way not to specifically spam my products or accomplishments too much. My upcoming Sunday Chip is 020A based chip geared for installers available in singles for $12 and cheaper in bulk. For an additinal $12 the chip has an IR remote add on compat with Sony IR remote protocols. Previous design was clevermods advance 32 and was 020 based cheapmod. Before that the clevermod original again 020 based.

The I2c project involved a pic that could restore a serial eeprom to the Xbox that was dead from an eeprom image hard coded into the pic chip. Eventualy ( like next up) this will be a chip that reads an eeprom into it's nv ram from a dead motherboard and then writes it to another eeprom possibly enroute to revivng a locked hard drive.

Another project was the Sony IR remote part that's now part of the Sunday chip that has learning and 3 button funtions so you can without touching your Xbox:
1. turn on with out mod
2. turn on with mod
3. eject tray (if used to power on mod is on)

Enough about me let's get back to the topic .

Boy, is it just me or was that a pretty tough spot to solder? At one point I was afraid that I was going to mess up some neighboring traces or melt something. I consider myself a pretty good solderer, but It was hard getting the solder to flow down in there. Plus I have a nice industrial Weller soldeing station, and I was using a very fine point tip. I don't think that spot was really meant to ever be soldered. The trace was easy to cut with a razor blade. I cut it in 2 places just to be sure, and then checked it with my Fluke meter. Then I put everything back together and my X3 fired right up, as usual. I guess I did it right.

This picture is a little blurry (shoulda used my tripod), and the orange silicone is a little ugly, but who cares. BTW, I had to use a 1/4 watt resistor from Radio Shack. Kinda bulky, but it works.

Just A Confirmation on catdog2's testing info

Xbox Version - v1.6 (2004-11-02) / Samsung Memory
ModChip/Bios - X3 CE with X3 2913 v1.6 Plus Bios

Results

At MS Dashboard (chip disabled) - D0 = 3.35V
At X3 Config Screen - D0 = 0.80V
At Avalaunch Dashboard (v0.49.3) - D0 = 0.80V
At XBMC (2005-02-01 build) - D0 = 0.80V
In Game - D0 = 0.80V

Strongly agree...Team Xecuter has not fixed the issue with this latest bios release.
The D0 is still permanently held in a LOW state.

jROC

ok lets figure this out

Hey, sorry to interrupt.
My x-box has linux on it and I've heard that when you have linux on it you are not supposed to unplug it for more than a few minutes at a time.
Well, a couple of nights ago the power went out where I live, and therefore the x-box was without power for a couple of hours.
Now when I turn it on, it won't even get to the menu; it just keeps restarting.

Does anybody know how to fix this?


--James

what the hell is wrong with you...this clearly does not belong in this forum and especially not in this damn thread. maybe you should try the software forum or the support forums for your build of linux. Please dont bother replying as this thread is a heated discussion thread regarding a very sensitive issue. That has nothing in the slightest to do with what your experiencing...I hate to be a dick but you have clearly violated the forum rules

Regarding Xecuters board fix/ BIOS fix:

Maybe this fix isn't very necessary. But consumers are more or less "demanding" it. Ok, so Xecuter tries to satisfy the users who make unecessary requirements. So he gets blasted for "lying" and things like that. He said this was not a problem, and he hasn't changed his tune, he has just agreed to do what people want him to do.

I don't think it's necessary, but at least Xecuter is trying to please the paranoid users out there. Think of it as a safety blanket, it won't make you safer, but you'll feel safer.

Remember that you have already made modifications to your xbox that was not meant to be done when it was designed. So noone can expect their xboxes to live forever, and reasons for them dying could be solders failing (after a while), temperature over time being too high (because of the HD), things being done to the MB when installing and so on.

So relax. If Wecuter say s that this REALLY is a problem, then we can start worrying.

jonarvid

haha.. so funny..so i guess you just go around believing everything someone tells you .

i've been thru this kinda thing with xecuter before.. the old X3 chips used to short out due to the 5v alt pin and poor backing on the chip... "There's no problem " Xecuter said.. well its funny how they changed all the connectors on the X3 CE version to lay flat..so that things can't short out...and have given you a thinker pad now.

Do you honestly think Xecuter would admit it anyways...hell no....then no one buys their chips.

people have a right to be concerned about all the cash they've thrown into a modded xbox console. especially when all you can buy now is a V1.6
prices in CAD

console.. $250 minimum
modchip - $80 - $120 professionally installed
HD - 80gb $90 or so., 200gb.. $175 or so (if the console dies and the HD is locked... it becomes useless..)

add it up...and if people have the X3 then you have things like the proswitch $30, XLCD $50

i agree its good that xecuter is trying to solve the problem.but they have clearly mislead their users with the new bios...

" - fixed: Corrected LFRAME / D0 pull to 0V timing so it's no longer constant"

wtf is that supposed to mean anyways xecuter??? I have clearly measued the D0 and its still LOW..ALL THE TIME..Except when the chip is disabled.

jROC

agree. it's just as likely that the mod chip is doing something else that noone has yet to realize that would cause ealrier than expected death to xboxes. noone has commented yet, but it seems that the power disspiated by the lframe is low; it if twas driving 65 ma at 3.3 volts i would be more worried that having it drive 65 ma at what appears to be much less than 1 volt.

Question for the Guru's: Why couldn't you just put a physical switch in between the Xeceuter chip and the D0 point on the motherboard and have it closed on booting the chip and then open the switch once the chip has been booted? wouldn't this bring lframe back up to 3.3 volts?

after playing the game you could close the switch again and go back to the dashboard.

just my thinking; probably not worth much.

burgan

hey burgan

i've tried that actually.

not only does the D0 need to be low to boot the chip

but it also needs to be low to boot a game as well

after a game is booted for example.. you might be able to bring D0 to 3.3V but i'm not sure

and i'm not sure about booting apps.. if the d0 is 3.3V

jROC

jroc,

thanks. that doesn't surprise me that D0 would nee dto be low when booting a game or even an app.

if you get a chance could you trying releasing it from ground during a game? and then telling us what happens? i am speaking of a X3 chip with 1959 or latest bios.

for me it wouldn't be bad to keep D0 at ground while i am jockeying around in my bios or even in some apps; the bulk of my time is in playing games.

i could envision putting a new wire in from the D0,LAN, and HDD wires and having the D0 line go to a switch. then redirct the wire backto the X3 chip. no soldering required and probably just a 50 cent switch from rat shack. no big deal in flipping a switch from time to time.

thanks,

Jeff

This is labeled General Hardware/Technical Chat, isn't it?
I couldn't find any other thread that could help me


--James

your right that is the the name of the fourm
there is also this forum

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showforum=22

Titled

*nix OS on Xbox
Anything about running a *nix-based OS on Xbox (mandrake , debian , gentoox , ...)

And this one

Xbox Homebrew Software
Discussions about xbox homebrew software that doesn't belong in any forum above.

This is HARDWARE TECHNICAL CHAT. You Question has nothing to do with that. And has ABSOLUTLY 1000% nothing to do with this thread.

Why would you post a question burried in a thread thats 30+ pages long that is unrealted to the problem your having not to mention in the incorrect forum. Doesnt sound like a logical way tp get a fucking answer does it....I didnt think so

READ THE RULES...POST IN THE CORRECT FORUM...OR YOU WILL BE BANNED....THIS IS JUST A WARNING.

Only Your 2nd post and both are in an incorrect forum in an unrealted thread. You talke the fat way to a quick death if you keep it up. And Im being NICE

Since when was it your job to threaten people with a ban. I suggest you also read the rules.