Scenyx Entertainment Community > Aladdin Advance Xt (?) Diagram Help

aladdin64

Nov 16 2004, 08:48 AM

Hello.

The problem is that i screwed up an installation with this Aladdin-chip.
i belive to to be an Advance XT chip, because its not Live and its not Aladdin 32, 64 or Advance. Well anyway, if you look at my picture you see the spots i call 1, 2, 3, 4 and so on, some of them came loose´, so that don't have any connection any more. Could someone with a Advance XT chip use a multimeter and see how 1, 2, 3... corresponds with A, B, C.. ?

would be really grateful, and it could be usefull for everyone else that have had problems with their Aladdin chips..

user posted image

Thanks alot for all contributions.. =)

Regards

aladdin64

Nov 16 2004, 10:23 AM

Found some of them out, still missing a few though..
Anyone could give me a hand here, i think this could be useful for some
other people as well.

Regards

verawarez

Nov 16 2004, 10:50 AM

give some days for that, i have 3 xt mods, but it is late for now,

The next few days i gonna help u

Bye

Verawarez

aladdin64

Nov 16 2004, 11:18 AM

Ohh.. haha, sorry for being impatient.. =)

Sure, any help would be appreciated.. Thanks alot verawarez..

Regards

Evil Ryu

Nov 16 2004, 10:20 PM

Normally there is a female pin header where A-L are. This is exactly the same thing as wiring the chip up via the LPC connections (1-9 in your diagram).

Here is what your corresponding letter & numbers should be (on your diagram):

A-not used for Aladdin chips
B-9
C-8
D-7-but not used for Aladdin chips
E-not used for Aladdin chips
F-6
G-1
H-2
I-3
J-4
K-not used for Aladdin chips
L-5

verawarez

Nov 17 2004, 07:25 AM

One question i have diagrams for xt mods but it have been edited for my provider, so Do u have ur diagramas for alladin xt? if that pls post it in a new message

Then my help is not needed anymore so sorry for couldn't help u

So xt are official aladdin mods? or just clones?

Thanx

Verawarez

p.d if u want to send me something verawarez@gmail.com

bye and if u need something else from an xt mod, i still have them

aladdin64

Nov 17 2004, 09:15 AM

Evil Ryu: Thanks alot! I updated the diagram now so all should be ok!
I think there are more of us who might need this diagram, so all credits goes out to you.

verawarez: I not to sure I understand what you're saying, are you asking if i got install-diagram for the XT? Hmm, actually i don't have that, I use those i found through this site only..
Maybe its time to make a good diagram for XT-Pinheader install...

Regards

robertjuric

Nov 17 2004, 09:25 AM

There's not a whole lot to it. I used a SmartXX LPC rebuild diagram, it nice and large and simple. Besides that, it's BT, LFrame, and L1 to the chip. It would be nice to see a new one though, most of the ones showing where to solder BT and L1 on v1.6 boxes are not very clear.

aladdin64

Nov 17 2004, 10:07 AM

Ok, well I can see there's definitely room for a good XT tutorial here.
Well, I'm gonna put one together with additional pinheader-installation, all soldering points needed and so on, does anyone have nice pictures to contribute with or should i make everything myself?

Regards

robertjuric

Nov 17 2004, 01:19 PM

I could snap a few pics. My digi cam is really good with closeup shots. If you need a specific area let me know.

My LPC rebuild:
user posted image

The tape is b/c I used a longer bit of wire and it kept getting in the way.

And my complete install:
user posted image

I could take more if necessary. I did skip the BT and L1 points on the mobo and opted to ground out the LFrame and BT. But I could take a pic of the spot where BT and L1 go so someone could color label it.

LMK if I can be more of a help.

Evil Ryu

Nov 17 2004, 03:01 PM

Next v1.6 I come across, I'll post some good pics of my install...

verawarez

Nov 17 2004, 05:31 PM

Sorry if i'm not too good in english msg posting cuz i'm Mexican and my english is not as good as yours, but i do my best

Then Do u have installation diagrams for alladin xt? that's what i mean, cuz i have it and i didn't find any good installation pics for xt, the only pics that i have for installin are some of the pics that my seller sent to me, but they were edited pics of other type of aladdin mod, even in aladdin website they haven't any support for XT so i don't know if that is a genuine aladdin mod

If u want my pics let me know it and translate it to english cuz they are in spanish
if u have some good ones, pls post them, if not i could send mine

Verawarez

aladdin64

Nov 17 2004, 05:40 PM

Yeah sure verawarez, please post your pics and i'll complete a tutorial/info thread as soon as possible!

I'll take som pictures myself, as soon as i get hold of a 1.6 Xbox...

Gonna start with 2 ways of soldering a female pinheader onto the XT though..

Thanks alot all!

Regards

Firebaall

Nov 17 2004, 08:07 PM

QUOTE (aladdin64 @ Nov 17 2004, 05:43 PM)

Yeah sure verawarez, please post your pics and i'll complete a tutorial/info thread as soon as possible!

I'll take som pictures myself, as soon as i get hold of a 1.6 Xbox...

Gonna start with 2 ways of soldering a female pinheader onto the XT though..

Thanks alot all!

Regards

Great Idea.

I have no idea why the install guides for Aladdins XT and XT Lite are so terrible. It looks like a very easy chip to install. Since the chip maker decided to make a half assed install diagrams with really terrible pictures, it makes it harder than it should be for people to intall their first chip.

I would bet beans to doughnuts, that if there was a decent tut for these installs there would be half as many "HELP!!!" threads concering aladdins. Pictures are the key for a good tut. The ones posted above IMO, are no better than the bad ones used to make the offical install diagrams. You need to clearly see what points need to be soldered, not a blurry picture of the general area.

robertjuric

Nov 17 2004, 10:24 PM

Are y'all talking about the diagrams that have XenoChip in the bottom right corner? If so, yes those are horrible.

All we really need pics of are the points for the BT and L1 points. The LPC rebuild is universal, and SmartXX has a really good diagram on how to do it.

The SmartXX LPC Rebuild Diagram:
user posted image

Firebaall

Nov 18 2004, 01:23 AM

Hey robertjuric

Looks like we bought chips from the same guy ( wup ). You said you grounded the L frame on the xbox motherboard, and BT from the mod chip. Will this config cause the chip to be "always on"? This is what I'm looking to do for my installs.

Where did you ground the two wires?

From what I understand, these chips from wup that read "Aladdin Advance V1.0-v1.6" on the back should be installed in this manner:

1) install the pin header
2) rebuild the lpc
3) ground the L frame ( on the xbox motherboard )
4) ground the BT connection from the chip

This should result in an "always on" mod chip, if I follow. Can this chip be flashed via evox in this mode? Also, I assume any system ground ( like a screw hole ) is ok as a ground point...

Evil Ryu

Nov 18 2004, 04:00 AM

It's your lucky day fellas,... I just had a customer bring a v1.6 over, so I took the opportunity to try a couple of different installs using the AladdinXT chip. First I installed it so that the chip was always enabled, then I installed it with the BT & L1 lines connected. Took some pics and I'll try and whip together a quick page with all the pics and such. I'll let you guys know as soon as I've got it up...

robertjuric

Nov 18 2004, 04:36 AM

QUOTE (Firebaall @ Nov 18 2004, 02:26 AM)

Hey robertjuric

Looks like we bought chips from the same guy ( wup ). You said you grounded the L frame on the xbox motherboard, and BT from the mod chip. Will this config cause the chip to be "always on"? This is what I'm looking to do for my installs.

Where did you ground the two wires?

From what I understand, these chips from wup that read "Aladdin Advance V1.0-v1.6" on the back should be installed in this manner:

1) install the pin header
2) rebuild the lpc
3) ground the L frame ( on the xbox motherboard )
4) ground the BT connection from the chip

This should result in an "always on" mod chip, if I follow. Can this chip be flashed via evox in this mode? Also, I assume any system ground ( like a screw hole ) is ok as a ground point...

Yup, I got my chip from Wup. For the BT and L1, I just twisted the 2 together, and then soldered them to the chasis. It seemed pretty simple this way.

user posted image

This is the always on setup. If you want to add a modchip disable switch, put a SPST switch between the BT and L1 and the ground.

Yes, the chips do say Aladdin Advance v1.0-v1.6 on the back.

You have the right install procedure. I'm pretty sure you can use EvoX to flash the chips. I however use XFlash v2, which is also how Wup suggests you flash the chips.

Firebaall

Nov 18 2004, 05:28 AM

QUOTE

Yup, I got my chip from Wup. For the BT and L1, I just twisted the 2 together, and then soldered them to the chasis. It seemed pretty simple this way.

I could really strangle the people from Xenochip. They make a mod chip that is simple, and easy to install. Then they put out the WORST install material that does more to confuse then help.

When you are saying that you grounded the L1, is this the L1 tab that is on the aladdin? Because from your pictures, all I see is the L frame from the the lpc rebuild going to your ground, and ( what I assume is BT ) a wire coming off the chip going to that same ground as the L Frame.

So, this is what I am getting:

1) install the pin header
2) rebuild the lpc
3) ground the L frame ( The connection from the LPC rebuild marked "to D0" on the SmartXX LPC rebuild )
4) Connect L1 and BT from the mod chip together and then ground both.

verawarez

Nov 18 2004, 07:38 AM

this thursday i gonna edit the pics with translated info in english

So pls give a time for that and i'll doit

this weeks is out

So luck to all people

Your mexican friend

Verawarez

Evil Ryu

Nov 18 2004, 08:03 AM

Okay,... it's late and I whipped this together really quick from the pics I took tonight. Forgive the simplicity, but I'll try and make it a little fancier when I've got some time. Off to snooze...

hxxp://ca.geocities.com/aladdinadvance/

Not sure if I can post a live link, so you'll have to change the 'hxxp' to 'http'

Firebaall

Nov 18 2004, 08:08 AM

QUOTE (robertjuric @ Nov 18 2004, 04:39 AM)

Yup, I got my chip from Wup. For the BT and L1, I just twisted the 2 together, and then soldered them to the chasis. It seemed pretty simple this way.

For an "always on" install:

Well, I've done some deep diving into the old posts, and There's no doubt that the BT connection from the Aladdin XT needs to be grounded. Also, the L frame ( also known as the "D0" on the ver 1.6 xboxes ) needs to be grounded, and can be done so during the LPC rebuild.

Where you've confused me, is when you mentioned the L1 being twisted together with BT and then connecting these two to chasiss ground. I have not heard of tying L1 to anything, and that it should be left unconnected. Did you mean to say the L Frame ( D0 ), instead of L1?

Also, I've been looking at a way to clean up the extra wires that you've got running around in your install. Ground the L frame to the screw hole just above the d0 wire in the Smartxx diagram. And since we have the pin header on our chips from wup, we can install a small jumper wire as circled in black:

user posted image

This would give us a clean install with an easy hot swapable capability.

If I'm missing something about the L1 connection, please correct me. I appriciate the help!

Firebaall

Nov 18 2004, 08:18 AM

QUOTE (Evil Ryu @ Nov 18 2004, 08:06 AM)

Okay,... it's late and I whipped this together really quick from the pics I took tonight. Forgive the simplicity, but I'll try and make it a little fancier when I've got some time. Off to snooze...

hxxp://ca.geocities.com/aladdinadvance/

Not sure if I can post a live link, so you'll have to change the 'hxxp' to 'http'

Lmao EvilRyu!!!

Great minds think alike.

I literally made my post as you did.

Thanks. What your tutorial illustrates, is right on the money with what I was visualizing. I hope a mod sees this tut, and makes it a sticky. Half of the "help me, aladdin problem" threads would evaporate.

Come on down to Regina and I'll buy you a

You da man.

raptor17

Nov 18 2004, 09:03 AM

Could you show a diaggram of a switch to make the switch disabled and enabled with a flick of it please??

aladdin64

Nov 18 2004, 09:09 AM

Wow.. thanks alot everybody!

Seems like that tutorial could be a Sticky and we could cut the "Aladdin help!!!!" threads with about 50% =)

Anyways, evilryu, your site doesnt seem to handle so much data-transfers so if you could zip your site up, and i will mirror-host it..

I'm working on some more illustrations, but maybe they're not needed anymore?

Regards

aladdin64

Nov 18 2004, 09:13 AM

Raptor17: Just put a LFrame from motherboard and BT from chip together and solder those to +side of a SPST switch, and another wire from ground (Screwhole on motherboard) to -side of the switch and there it is! =)

Single Pole, Single Throw-switch is actually all you need..

This is just theory, anyone can tell me if i'm right or wrong?

Regards

raptor17

Nov 18 2004, 09:17 AM

sweet ill try it. It woudl be great if somone could just draw some lines on those pics. And like a square for a switch with a few prongs stickign out..haha If you know what i mean. It would be sweet if this works.
:(stupid aladdin not working right on 1.6

And by the way. I have the Aladdin Live version. This should still work right?

aladdin64

Nov 18 2004, 09:33 AM

Just a quick sketch, but this is for XT ONLY!!!!

user posted image

For a live version, I'm not sure.. On those i've installed i've only grounded D0 for "always on" install...

Wait till someone else answers this..

Regards

raptor17

Nov 18 2004, 09:46 AM

The other post that you had with the actual Bios chip mod works fine. From the pin #ce to the DO everything esle is exaclty the same.
Now how do get it to recognize the Different dashboard. From the MS one...to another one (hypotheticaly speeking?)

robertjuric

Nov 18 2004, 01:21 PM

Guys, I'm sorry, I don't know what I was thinking. You don't need to connect L1. L1 is for use with the front panel switch if you want to install it that. I must have have been getting the Ls mixed up in LFrame an L1.

Correct Procedure:
1. Install pin header
2. Rebuild LPC (theSmartXX diagram is REALLY good)
3. Ground LFrame (on mobo) and BT (on chip)

Firebaal, now my question to you is, what is the purpose of the jumper wire from 6 to BT? With my install, besides the LPC rebuild, I only have 2 wires which are the grounds for BT and LFrame.

I'm not sure how good of a ground you can get with the screw holes. People were having issues with them in the 12v fan mod. They discovered the best ground comes from soldering the the chassis.

Nice switch diagram aladdin64!!

Once you install the chip and boot the xbox, you should see the EvoX logo in the top left. Then you are able to boot from an EvolutionX Boot Disk.

Evil Ryu

Nov 18 2004, 02:59 PM

lol... too funny firebaall! Damn Saskatchewanites eh?

aladdin64 - PM me with your email addy and I'll zip this stuff up for you to mirror. GeoCities isn't the best place to host stuff.

Firebaall

Nov 18 2004, 06:51 PM

QUOTE (robertjuric @ Nov 18 2004, 01:24 PM)

Guys, I'm sorry, I don't know what I was thinking. You don't need to connect L1. L1 is for use with the front panel switch if you want to install it that. I must have have been getting the Ls mixed up in LFrame an L1.

Firebaal, now my question to you is, what is the purpose of the jumper wire from 6 to BT? With my install, besides the LPC rebuild, I only have 2 wires which are the grounds for BT and LFrame.

I'm not sure how good of a ground you can get with the screw holes. People were having issues with them in the 12v fan mod. They discovered the best ground comes from soldering the the chassis.

Hey RJ,

The purpose of the short jumper wire from 6 to BT is an easy clean ground for BT. The screw hole tab ( the one close to the L frame ) is a great ground! If you examine the pcb of the xbox motherboard, you can see that it's infact the main system ground ( kinda why you screw it down to the chasiss in the first place ).

You really threw me for a loop with that talk of the L1. lol.

When Evil Ryu's page is back up, you'll see what I mean. It's a super clean install method.

Firebaall

Nov 18 2004, 07:09 PM

Now, since we got the install down, we should discuss the flashing. hehe

I assume these use a 256K bios, right? I also have heard that they flash fine with raincoat, evox dashboard, and flashx.

I believe the chips from wup have the m8_16bios, but I think they should be upgraded to the m8plus_1.6bios when using in a 1.6 box to avoid that goofy freeze problem with the 1.6b boxes.

robertjuric

Nov 18 2004, 10:11 PM

Yea, they use 256k BIOS.

About the m8+_16 BIOS, I recently flashed my chip with it, and when I boot using the eject button, it just hangs. But using the power button it's no problem. I dunno what's up with that.

Firebaall

Nov 18 2004, 10:15 PM

Ok, here's the skinny for those that want to reflash ( or hot swap/flash a blank ) an Aladdin XT/XT lite. It's a 256K bios, and the current evox flashes the "A" version chip used on the current run of Aladdin XTs.

You do have to edit the evox.ini and add the following:

Flash = 0xbf52,"SST 49LF020A",0x40000
Flash = 0xdab0,"Winbond W49V002A",0x40000

Thanks go to Xconsole for this tidbit.

I Updated the bios on my Aladdin XT from the m8_1.6 to a custom m8plus_1.6, for extra stability on 1.6B xboxes ( no animation, no evox bios insignia ). Woot!

Evil Ryu

Nov 18 2004, 10:41 PM

For flashing the Aladdin chips, I would highly recommend using XFlash v2.

I used to run into problems every now and then flashing them with EvoX, and I've yet to have a single problem using XFlash v2.

Just my 2¢...

Firebaall

Nov 18 2004, 10:44 PM

QUOTE (robertjuric @ Nov 18 2004, 10:14 PM)

Yea, they use 256k BIOS.

About the m8+_16 BIOS, I recently flashed my chip with it, and when I boot using the eject button, it just hangs. But using the power button it's no problem. I dunno what's up with that.

No problem here,

I got the m8plus_1.6 bios from the "usual places" and edited it with the current Evtool 1.0.9. Something must be wrong with the bios you used.

Firebaall

Nov 18 2004, 10:59 PM

QUOTE (Evil Ryu @ Nov 18 2004, 10:44 PM)

For flashing the Aladdin chips, I would highly recommend using XFlash v2.

I used to run into problems every now and then flashing them with EvoX, and I've yet to have a single problem using XFlash v2.

Just my 2¢...

I've never really looked at XFlash v2. The one I found was called "Xflash for SST49LF020 V2". Will this work on the cheaper/newer "A" revision of the chip?

Is this the one to use? If so, I'll give it a go. I was just used to using Evox and raincoat back in the day. Thanks!

Evil Ryu

Nov 18 2004, 11:03 PM

Yup,... that's the same one (Xflash for SST49LF020 V2).

Firebaall

Nov 18 2004, 11:05 PM

Damn, you replied too fast. lol

I made an edit up top:

"Will this work on the cheaper/newer "A" revision of the chip?"

lmao!

*edit*

I'm guessing this doesn't work with the "A" revisions. That's what I have, and Xflash can't id the chip. I'm assuming it needs new flash ids added first?

xovationx

Nov 19 2004, 12:07 AM

alright so i figure this is all for a 1.6 box....can anybody go over what i need to do for a 1.0 if i want it always on with a switch? i cant find any sort of documentation for this thing. ive got an aladdin xt....the one with the lcd output pads. if anyone could just tell me what points on the LPC go to where on the chip for a 1.0 version and what wires i need to connect to a switch i would greatly appreciate it...

nipsta

Nov 20 2004, 11:23 AM

Hi,
How are the L1 and BT points treated for xbox versions 1.0 - 1.5. Can't get my aladdin xt to work. Any help would be appreciated.

H2H

Nov 20 2004, 01:09 PM

My Aladdin XT is making my Xbox frag (blinking green, red)... i've got two xboxes that have that same fault... one is a 1.6 and the other is a 1.1... I think i've checkt it all for bad soldering etc. so i'm thinking that maby the bios on the chip is faulty?

edit : I've soldered it "always on".

aladdin64

Nov 20 2004, 03:29 PM

H2H: You should check that you have a bios on the chip, thats not always the case.
CheapLPC programmer is handy in those cases.. Program your chip and put it back in... Or if you have a pinheader you could hotswap with a working Aladdin chip and then flash you faulty ones...

Regards

H2H

Nov 20 2004, 06:04 PM

a freind of mine has a Aladdin Live and a programmer for it! could i put the chip in the live into my XT and vice versa? so that i can program it or does the programmer work on XT to?

H-kon

Nov 20 2004, 06:26 PM

Yes I keep an Aladdin Live and a programmer to program my chips than swap them into an xt before install. I just wish the XT's had that hole under the socket like the Live.

H2H

Nov 20 2004, 06:28 PM

thanks!
so the programmer doesent work with XT...

"offtopic and in norwegian"
h-kon du norsk?

aladdin64

Nov 20 2004, 06:41 PM

as long as they're both SST49LF020 or SST49LF020-A..

But put your SST49LF020 into the programmer and flash it with m8 bios, and then put the SST49LF020 back into the aladdin chip and power up the xbox...

Regards

hockeyfrk5

Nov 20 2004, 07:59 PM

Ok, so if I don't have a pin header, can I just solder the chip directly to the LPC, connect all the points directly to the chip on the front and the backside of the MB, consider point X if it doesn't work on my 1.6, and have a Enable/Disable working chip?

Thanks.

aladdin64

Nov 21 2004, 03:06 PM

Exactly.. But i wouldnt recommend a quick solder installation...

Try and get hold of pinheaders (They're like $2) and can save you alot of time and frustration...

consider this tutorial: http://www.antonjarl.com/AladdinXT

Regards