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For all of you out there who are to cheap to buy a computer and download WIndows XP from the net and put it on a pc at home

Windows can never be ported, and if it did it would be slow as hell. Have you ever tried to install on a Pentium 2 with 64MB? I use pro, and it wont even install because it complains.

If you used XPLite maybe you could do an install, bu whats really the point? All i hear is random ass ideas in this forum. Well if we strip down ther kernel.... Well if we modify a bios...... BLAH BLAH. None of you have the resources to even modify the XP code, and thats if you can even get your hands on it!

And the people who do want to do it, they just, dont want to. Linux on the XBOX is good enough. Im sure someone has come up with this lame ass idead before when the xbox originally got hacked. 5 years later, where are you now? NOWHERE. You can talk all you want, come up with all the ideas you want, but you can never get XP running on the xbox efficiently, ever. XP on a 64 MB computer isnt even worht running. If you do get it running 2 or 3 million years from now, congrats. You'll probably have stripped XP so bare, that it will just be eyecandy and it wont do anything, not to mention how slow it would be.

Now some geek is going to post about how windows is better than linux and so on and so forth. Then im going to say, go get "go get laid you computer geek" and he is gonna get mad and go to his room and jack off and take a nap.

Oh yeah, settle for linux its the shit. Forgot to mention that.

speeking of linux.. i like it much better for the xbox than any other port of an os.. i tried em all.. this man knows what hes talking bout.. linux is the ShiZnIt !

those who know how to hack sees no reason for Windows(on Xbox) as linux is a much better alternative, those who don't know how to hack can keep on coming out with ideas(CE, XPE you name it) but like you said, it will never happen ;-)

BTW, there is a fully ported and supported Windows on Xbox, the original BIOS + the libraries used by all those games :-)

There's something really funny about people like you: A. You always say USE LINUX!!!!11!!!1 and B. You never factor in the fact that the resolutions are heaps smaller when using Windows on a TV, unless you use HDTV, and C. What the hell is with the argument 'If you run windows on the Xbox, your too cheap to buy a PC and download a pirate copy of XP. WELL, HERE'S SOME NEWS FOR YOU: IF YOU USE LINUX ON THE XBOX, HOW COME IT DOESN'T MEAN YOUR TOO CHEAP TO BUY A PC AND DOWNLOAD LINUX?.

Also, we're talking about a 700mhz Pentium Celleron here, not a 233mhz pentium 2.

Here's whated happen if windows XP was ported:

Themes would be turned off to save about 15 mb
Most of the unneeded network crap: Off.
The resoloutions: 320 to about 640 max, a lot less strain on the GPU.
And lots more. Most of the stuff in Windows XP is legacy driver crap. You don't need all those old legacy serial/parralel port drivers taking up half your memory if you don't have any ports, do you? In fact, all you'd need is some custom drivers for memory, GPU and PCI BUS and bam: another step closer to Windows on Xbox.

So basically: **** off, post your crap in the Linux forum, and realise this: WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT LINUX FANBOYS WHO THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING! IF YOU THINK WINDOWS XP CAN'T BE PORTED, PROVE IT!

You've really made my day.

Mods, delete this topic. It's not relevant to this forum.

That is all.

You know why your getting anfry right? Because you know im right lmao.

Im not to cheap to buy a pc, i have 3 infact. I run linux because its available and even then it can be slow at time, and linux is way faster than windows. And what the hell are you babeling bout? The resolution in linu is fine, you thikn it would be better in windows

*POINTS AND LAUGHS AT NETDROID*

Who do you think is going to reverse engineer a NVidia driver for windows? No one.

Stop kidding yourself

this topic should be pinned as it every new comer asking about Windows XP on Xbox should read it first ;-)

No, they'd do it the sensible way, and pass the commands dirrectly onto the BIOS, thereby eliminating compatability issues with new Xboxs. And I wasn't saying your too cheap. What I'm saying is, how come it's not cheep to run linux on the xbox, while it is to BUY a copy of windows XP and run it on your Xbox? By that logic it's cheep to run linux on your Xbox too, because that also runs on a computer.

What I meant by lower resolutions was simple: Your TV won't normally display resoloutions over 320x240(Or whatever the second number is, I can never remember), unless it's HDTV. And Isn't the maximum on a HDTV running an Xbox 800x600? Then there shouldn't be much problems with the graphics card.

Also, as I said, there's plenty of ram if you get rid off the crap, like themes, legacy driver support, network administration crap that no-one'd use to connect an Xbox to a network, etc.

Like I said earlier: Mods, delete this topic. The_devil73, stop trying to provoke people, why don't you do something helpful and learn a programing language. If you have, why don't you help get windows running on the Xbox. If you aren't interested in windows on the Xbox, then why are you posting a topic in a forum dedicated to windows on the Xbox. I'm sure you must have SOMETHING better to do.

First things first: I'm not a Linux-fanboy, nor a Windows-fanboy. Both OS have their pro's and con's. Therefore, whenever I say anything bad about one of them doesn't mean I favor the other one.

Windows could be ported. However, the number one rule of porting programs or games (like you can read in the homebrew section) is that you need the source code. No source == no port, and I doubt MS would even consider it.

And Windows can be installed on a P233 with 32MB RAM (maybe even lower). An extra config-file on the CD can make a miracle.

Your right! Ihave windows ME running on a Cyrix 6x86

I meant to say Windows XP. Windows ME, 98, and 95 are running via linux. But XP running in our lifetimes on an xbox, nahh. But in reality, who here really thinks that XP will be fast on a 64 MB celeron?

You'd probably need the sourcecode to port it to another arcitecture, but the xbox is essentially a PC with some screwed up hardware. Stop windows from doing stuff the hardware doesn't like by, say, custom drivers or the like and it might work properly. I don't have any documentation on drivers, so I wouldn't know if any of my ideas'd work. And yeah, standard XP'll suck on a celleron Well, probably moreso on an Xbox celleron, I read they had crappy 128kb caches. Doesn't mean it'll never work in this lifetime. Of course you could try for one of those embedded distros, they might work decently.

But seeing as the Xbox360's comming out later this year I suppose there'll be more people interested in Mac on Xbox360 rather than Windows on Xbox.

xboxes can be upgraded to 128MB of ram if anyone didnt know and friendtech will fit a 1.4Ghz P3 now a custom bios like linux did with cromwell and such but i agree sourcecode would be the easiest way to port it now maybe after searchin lotsa p2p places you might find it and thats a very small might but if it was found images the stuff we could do and we could even lower the ram usage by cuttin out more shite

You know, they are coming out with Windows XP N very soon. It's basically a slimmed-down version of XP that will run on older computers.

tht would be nice to port and o yeh some win2000 source code was leaked a while ago

Not enough to port it.

M$ isn't stupid. No-one, not even the devs, are allowed to access all the source code. That's excluding some high level devs with more stocks in the company than you can poke a stick at.

Um, interesting claim, does it mean I know someone one so high level ? He doesn't feel he is ;-)

Old, but...

Windows XP N is for Europe. The only difference with Windows XP is that there is no Windows Media Player included. There are no other changes! It also has SP2 incorporated in it.

Seeing as it is just as expensive as Windows XP Professional (regular), almost nobody will bother to buy it. With programs like nLite, one can already strip wmplayer from Windows XP.

You sir, are stupid. What is the point of running Linux on Xbox? Nothing. Omg run a http server or run a CS server. The processing power on the Xbox sucks ass anyway you won't be able to run anything efficiently. You say to cheap to buy a computer and download windows? You can get a computer system for alot less than an xbox running Linux (which is free). Obviously people have some money to spend if they have a modded xbox. Wow big deal you have 3 computers pftt. You can go to Walmart and get three E-machines for $600 Mr. Big Spender. It is just as easy to install and configure XP to do the same with Linux. If not more difficult on Linux. (Enter Suse and Mandrake recommendations from you). Of course XP can't be ported numbnuts, it is closed - source. There is no good purpose for running any OS on Xbox and your efficiency argument also applies for linux. Go get laid you wanna be computer geek. Who cares if XP can or can't be ported, it won't be able to do anything anyway just like linux on xbox can't be run to do anything remotely good.

First, quite some people care about if XP can be ported or there won't be people coming here asking for it constantly :-)

As for why running linux on Xbox, there can be a number of apps.

I used it as a freevo machine. This allows me to watch DVD or other MPEG/WMV files on my big TV rather than the monitor of a PC. I paid 100 US for the Xbox and add another 80G HD for 50 bucks. That is 150. XP license alone cost that much. I also installed samba on it so I can drop torrent files there and have programs automatically pick them up and download at the background on xbox. It also serves as a very nice home file server.

Xbox has also the added benefit that it is not powerful, thus very quiet. This is very hard to beat using PC. There are very quiet PC, but definitely not e-machine class(and price). Another advantage of Xbox is it sucks very few power(comparing to a typical home PC), it may not be important to you but I want to save a bit of it(both the pocket and the environment).

Of course, you have a point that the benefit of Xbox running linux is diminishing(I intend to buy a mac mini for the same purpose which is a bit more expensive but much more powerful) but saying linux on xbox has no point seems a bit too much.

i think i know something that might work...........right on the xbox linux main page it shows howto install fedora core so maybe we could do the same thing for xp????????

who said anyone was trying to port xp onto xbox anyway?

xbox windows project was trying to run either CE or Xpe.

Personally i dont think windows xp will ever appear on the xbox. When the 360 comes out, it might work if its emulated, but not native cos its not x86.

When the 360 is out I'll be more interested if Mac OS X'll run on it .

Mac OS X ? Or you mean Darwin ?

Im not going to dignify you by coming back on this, loser. Becasue not everyone who buys an xbox has tons of money. What it the person is younger than me or you? what if he is sixteen and can only afford the bare minimum. And i wasnt tryong to show off. and emachines at walmart are 400 dollars lol. Calm down, you loser. You were just trying to find something to do on friday while everyone was partying so you decided to post when you had nothing beter to do. So instead of getting mad, keep your dumb ass, ignorant ass, redneck ass, dont-know-shit-about-shit ass, trippin-on-some-dumb-shit ass comments to yourself.

Thank you

Sorry for the late reply, been buisy with things (you know other than x-s forums right chimpanzee)

I wouldnt put anyone down because of their ideas. I know it seems impossible. But who said it isnt possible? Who has proven that point? There are many theories as to doing this. The person who ported Windows CE to xbox added in his ReadMe:



Now, people want to explore, try things, try their ideas. Dont try to tell everyone right away it aint gonna work. Personally, I think it would be neat. But X-DSL is good enough for me. I aint probably as smart as you guys on this stuff, but I'm just stating my opinion. As has everyone else in this thread.

But, if you just want to run a Windows only application on the xbox, get wine. That way you can use it in Linux.

In gentoo wine works wseet, but i cant get it to output sound. I wanted to use WinAMP and it wouldn't give me sound. I t would give me an error.

Then i ran epsxe. It ran but troublesome. Little did i know there was one for linux lol.

Windows can be ran through xDSL or Gentoo (when you stripp down the startup things)

I couldn't get wine to output sound either. I also tried WinAMP in Knoppix 3.8.1. There is also a PSX emulator for xbox..its called PCSXbox.

It horrible, it freezes allot, and it dosent display the fighting menu correctly in FFIX

ePSXe works fine in Gentoo with Cyberpad joypad plugin with joydev module. the only thing i dont like about it is that emucheater dosent work on it

windows is for the weak... amen for linux :cool:

can you give me a link for freevo on an xbox

my freevo is not specifically for xbox.

It is plain debian sarge + freevo. All from the official locations. A google on freevo would bring you to freevo site, like wise for debian.

It is a 500M loopback installed sarge that contains all the necessary apps.

Why not just stick to Linux and Win XP on the PC like they are intended? Use your Xbox for games like it was originally intended?

DJ

because people can? and people like to experiment?

just cos it was intended for games doesnt mean we have 2 use it for games when if you like, you can do other things.

if your poor, you can get a second hand xbox for around £40 - install linux, and there u have a working pc.

Not everyone has the money to kep buying 50 dollar games, when u can simply put a mod in it and it will run SNES, NES, PLaystation 1, and tons of other things.

Linux was intended to be a universal operating system, to work on everything from phones to game consoles. and windows xp, was not. The xbox also makes a kick ASS Server. Its small, quiet, and dosent suck up 400 watts.

bullshit if windows 2000 can be installed on a xbox then windows xp could be installed too, cause I collected operating system, and I discovered that windows 2k goes slower then windows xp, on my old computer with 400 mhz and 256 mb ram. Even on a 200 mhz computer with 128mb ram windows xp goes faster then windows 2k so why shouldn't installing windows xp not be possible on xbox. Only goes it got a few security systems. Well, just install a beta version of windows xp, that should work or an version that has been made earlier then date : 2003. Try it, a friend of my has been suceeded. But he got an few memmory problems but less then windows 2k. Anyway I never tried it, my friend did, and he is about to create a modified windows based on windows nemesis with halyc0n, if you are a real hacker you should know him. He is fagot halyc0n but knows how to hack, lol (always fighted him on the internet). Anyway try, and you shall suceed. And if the hacked windows nemesis comes out then he probally put it on a few warez websites. BTW I am not sure if he uses windows nemesis, he might use an old version or an beta version of windows. Anyway, you just try it , and maybe soon the hacked windows xp for xbox comes out.

Cheers m8's

So many people are fighting over whether it can or can't be done, but how many people are trying (probably some) and actually succeeding (probably no one, yet.)

Why not save it for the 360 which will be released in a couple months? If XP runs ass-slow on my girlfriend's P3 700MHz w/ 128MB(even after a fresh install), it's going to be slow on an Xbox. Yes of course you can strip some things out, but in order to make it fast enough to be useable.... what's left? Notepad? Solitaire? Paint?

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, would be kinda kewl to be able to use paint on the Xbox.

My main point is that everyone's being so hostile and aggressive about the topic of XP on the xbox, yet IT'S NOT HAPPENING.
You don't need to prove that it won't work, because, in a way, that's being done right now as we speak. What you DO need to prove is that it can be done.

I don't doubt that it can be done, but I do doubt that its going to be done. If someone was trying, they would probably be keeping a log, and asking others for help and such... meaning we would have heard of it.
Without source code it's going to be a hell of alot harder, but the source code might come out within the lifetime of the 360.

There already is some ports/emulations of windows for the xbox. I know CE is basically a toy, but Windows 98 will run on the xbox. Since XP would need to have alot of stuff stripped out to make it run, would what's left of XP make it better than 98?

Windows is great and all, but there are other 'desktop' OS's out there, and alot of them probably have source code some of you could use, why not try one of those? They may not be anywhere as good as windows, but it would be easier to do and would give alot of practice.

This aggression is so pointless...
-R.E.A.

XP WILL NEVER RUN ON 360. DONT YOU SEE THAT?

THE ONE AND ONLY REASON I WILL GIVE YOU IS THE FACT THAT ALL 3 CORES ARE PPC-64 (or PPC032 i ofrge) BASED. WINDOWS HAS SUPPORTED THAT SINCE WINDOWs nt. SO GET OFF IT. THIS FORUM IS DEAD. BEFORE YOU MAKE A NEWB COMMENT, DO THE RESEARCH FIRST

and i know in a matter-of-factly terms that this cannot be done at all. You need xp source code, number one, number 2, windows xp would not appear right on the screen, especially for v1.6 users, number 4 MS will stomp xbox-scene out if they find out that they have been messing with there top secret code.

You may say h well maybe we can put are own copies in, yeah that will work uhuckuhuck. Well guess what? The microsft xbox has a pci enumeration bug that will freeze when detecting hardware. So whats gonna happen during an xp install? FREEZE. No one here is willing to deevelope a bios to load windows because there are no open source bioses out there, or if there are i havent heard of any. And say you do get a bios, wow im proud of ya then who the hell is gonna reverse engineer a nvidia driver.

Linux was done because it was OPEN SOURCE which means it can be modified to YOUR LIKING. The kernel FOR linux was MODIFIED because it was OPEN SOURCE.

Mus t i continue. I just stomped your dreams out. In closing, i will simply state the fact that WINDOWS XP WILL NEVER EVER NEVER EVVVVVER RUN on the xbox stand-alone. It will need the help of linux and its still slow as a bitch.

Print out this post and wipe your tears with it.

u guys are idiots. READ THE PINNED THREAD. they already went over all of this bullshit, and have technical information as to WHY it is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to install winxp without an EXTREMELY hacked software layer that resides between winxp and the xbox hardware. READ THE PINNED THREAD AND IT WILL ANSWER ALL OF THESE DUMB QUESTIONS.


btw, thedevil is 100% correct in his statements

for freevo get debian(xebian) or gentoo or gentoox.

Freevo is already in Xebian and to get freevo in gentoox, if its not there already, do an emerge freevo. TO make sure its there or not, do a comman "which freevo" or look in the /opt directory

This thread is ridiculous.

Linux is an amzing operating system, it's extremely portable, versatile and is better that windows in tonnes of different ways.

But just because you can use linux on the xbox doesn't mean people should not bother trying to port windows (of one form or another) to the xbox - even if it's purely an acedemic excercise.

A thread about how windows can/should/will never be ported to the xbox just because linux already is and because it's better/faster/whatever, is a waste of everyone's time.

Here's one of my quote's..



Being a linux developeri have a small bias opinion for linux. But being a free thinker.. I would like to see windows on the xbox.. Just show billy a thing or too about software..

Do you have anything that can back that statement up (that the Xbox's public key is close to being broken)?

Quote from slashdot..



SHA-1 is a step in the right direction in terms of breaking down the sercurity..



This is pretty old news though ;-) back in feb 2005 figured it was pretty well known..

Hmm, not sure if I would call it close to being cracked yet.

Firstly the SHA-1 weakness found the researchers only helps when you just want to find a pair messages with the same hash. It does not help you find a message with the same hash as an existing message. Therefore the weakness doesn't help anyone wanting to bypass the Xbox security system with a SHA-1 collision. The quickest method to generate a collision against a given message is still brute force.

Secondly even if we were just wanting to find collisions (we need more than this as explained above) it will still take far too long. In this article one of the researchers states that it would take 5 million years of supercomputer time to generate a collision with the weakness they found.

The discovery might indicate the first signs of weakness in SHA-1, and maybe better methods of generating collisions will be found in future. But as things stand the chances of bypassing the Xbox security system by either generating a SHA-1 collision or factorising the public key seem very slim indeed.

Having the SHA-1 cracked it alot closer to not having it hacked..

It might take 5 million years of supercomputer time to what we need it to do.. But it only takes a smart person with an old 700mhz pc to crack the code.. Again what another human can make another human can break..

I agree, this post is idiotic. It's not as if we go into the *nix forums and spam them with hate-mail, so why do we get all these so called 'logical' reasons why Windows will never run on the Xbox or the Xbox 360? Perhapsw it's because there are some linux users who can't handle being told that they aren't superior to windows users. Every OS has it's advantages and dissadvantages. We have our market share, they have their open-source philsophy.

3 PPC cores would do wonders for x86 emulation, don't you think?
And the xbox is a PC with a new chipset that noone has made windows drivers for. Remember that, the only thing that's really in the way of windows running on xbox is that noone has made the drivers we need. The rest should be easy.

If A then B.

The controlling factor is A, and whether B is easy is meaningless until you have A.

Surprisingly, why only linux(and now BSD) can run on xbox is that they are open sourced thus making A relatively easy. The open source philosophy trumps market share(or any other advantage you have in mind about XP) in this case. Linux can be crappy, but at least it runs ;-)

So, XP will never be ported(unless MS do it) on Xbox.

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I dont know jack about xbox but i do know awhole lot about pc's and software
development and you sir are a liar ...

1st. linux only needs 64 mb of ram
2nd. linux only needs cpu speed of 266 ..

there is no way that on your 64 mb ram xbox with a 700+ celeron that linux is
acting .. and i quote " I run linux because its available and even then it can be slow at times "

That is bullshit .. im not gonna comment on the windows with xp thing as i think ive added anough wood to the fire but...Remember this Anythign is possible...
and if ever someone tells you its not... that just means they couldnt do it...

Dont let those dumbass's speak for the rest of the world... and by the way one last thing... Regarding your ram worry on the xbox runnig xp.. rumour has it that you can upgrade the ram by 64mb so that would = 128 on a 700mhz machine with xp hmmm i think thats sufficent power dont u... anyways sorry if i offended anyone but ... i had add my 2cents.. GNITE!!

Almost everybody on here that FTPs to their Xbox has Windows XP on their PC already. There's a few that have Mac OSX. And a VERY select few that might have the leaked Mac OSX for Intel. But ultimately, why do people really care about running Linux or Windows on their Xbox? Yeah it would be nice to have like two xbox's when they start dropping in price, one with windows on it to run some apps and check email, etc., but for the most part, it would be VERY slow. and you could accomplish this via 98 anyways.

The same goes for Linux. Although it runs much faster than Windows ever would, and is much more reliable, why really bother? You can't run any Xbox games directly from it. Almost anything you would run in Linux has already been ported to the Xbox in some way or other. So why bother with taking countless hours to port Windows to the Xbox? There's no point, other than being able to say "Hey look, I have windows on my xbox!"

So in short, I say drop the whole topic. They got Linux, great job. I have it, I never use it. Same would go for Windows. It's just too slow to be practical at all. That's my two cent's worth.

Thanks.

you should all just put OS Jaguar (Mac.) on the xbox, or die trying, ... screw windows, and f**k Linex, they both suck!!

If you cant deside which is better, just get a Mac, sit back, and watch everyone kill themselves in the fight of what the best OS is.

Why in the HELL would anyone even think about wanting to be able to ponder of ways to figure out how to install Win XP on a Xbox. That's about as dumb as saying that the xbox 360 can be emulated on a Xbox!!