Okay one more thread crap post from me before I quit arguing about useless things. I hope you can see by saying that I am more likely to make mistakes becuz I haven't supported Ndure from day one I felt sort of offended. I take my work very seriously and try to provide safe and stable stuff. I also remember Kingroach's stuff wasn't 100 % good in tha beginning also (which isn't bad cuz we all have to learn) so I just had to reply to that (strange) argument.

Also I would like to settle things about me being "against" Ndure. I was never against it. It might have took me a while to understand it's full potential though (which didn't seem that strange to me cuz off all that crytology stuff Eh used to convince everybody. That might have made me not wanna read any further many times).
I also thought Ndure was a bit too overhyped sometimes and some off the arguments were simply exaggerated or just not true.
In the beginning I always opped I'd make an Ndure Installer once i'd get the time for it so I hope you don't see me making one as some kind of contest in who has the best installer cuz I don't care about that. I have my own installer line so switching to Ndure is just a logical step since it's just a better exploit and we just have to move on.

In the end I like the Ndure exploit very much and I am gratefull to the people who introduced and developed it to what it is now. Also I wanna apologize to anyone who might have feel offended in my sometimes critical reactions.

there are two simple workarounds for that.

1. first copy dummy files to c root naming them as the xtf files to ensure it won't error on deletion

2. make the filler so large it would cover the space without the fonts (or even larger). there won't be an error if the file is larger then the space present so all bytes are used.

I just want to say that Krayzie is a friend of mine and since I have used his UXE installer countless times without any problems whatsoever, I know I can trust him with my xbox. Since I had heard some things about ipodder's mistakes or something like that, I figured I would just wait until Krayzie came out with his Ndure installer. I am already used to Krayzie's style of installers, so I figured one more week of waiting for an installer I know I could trust was worth it. It wasn't meant to lower Kingroach, but to maybe bring attention to some people who may not have known that Krayzie was even making an ndure installer.

Tell you what guys. If anyone should be bitter, it should probably be me. Everybody jumps on the krayzie-bandwagon, even though I've had an installer out for a while now. Am I upset or pissed off? Not at all! It's just how things go. Quite frankly I think everyone's installer is fine as long as it's functional and won't cause problems. Krayzie has done that, kingroach, you have too, and hopefully mine was at least decent. We're all for the same cause here anyways.

That's the end to my heartwarming post. Carry on.

Cio, XBL related improvement was devz3ro's main interest last time I 'heard'. So an "Ndure Complete" capable of Retail setup (plus Basic) is something I think he'd most likely consider.

kingroach, I'm optimistic that Ndure 2.1 can become "Ndure Complete" (its 21MB filler's there intentionally) so maybe wait a bit longer re. the xboxhdm package...

My wangs bigger than your wang, we have gotten hella off subject in the love-story thread....

His installers are better than my installers , which are better than his installers, which are better than mine, this isnt a contest, its a place to come and learn and discover the potentional for making your xbox a hella lot better, hell when i first hit the boards, i needed hotswapping help, now i consider myself a hotswapping master, but that was after i read & read, and then even wrote my own hotswapping guide.

Fact is, we need ipodders installers, and we need krayzies installers, and we need kings's packages/installers, and we need all these other peoples works as well.
Who's is better, ( mine after I rip all they sh|t ) Just kidding

I wont start working on that until next month.. but then my college will be open. . so theres plenty of times..

King of the roaches pwn you all.. not even nuke can kill me..

Hello all,

I have used the kingroach's installer (2.0 haven't tested the 2.1) and I succesfully installed NDURE on my xbox. I used the generic fonts, however I have a problem with NDURE.

When I start my xbox in an unmodded state (eject button), the MS dash starts, but I am unable to watch DVD video discs (either originals or backups). I am however able to play Audio Cds. When I put a DVD video, it just shows a black screen and nothing else. I have the DVD kit.

The interesting part is that, when I start my xbox in a modded state (power button) I am able to watch the DVDs, I can start the MS dash from my virtual C and play them. I even tested to load a different bios(iND Bios) and start the MS dash on the real C (msxboxdash.xbe) and the dash plays ok the DVDs.

I was using the Krayzie's 2.7 installer, before I decided to switch to NDURE.

What could be causing such strange behaviour?

My xbox specs:
NTSC 1.4 Xbox with Focus Encoder
5713 Kernel

Thanks in advance for any insight on this.

I hope that there ends up being the files for these installers already to go for ftp or xboxhdm. I usually don't use the gamesave methods. I don't have a mem card or many games. Also I like to see the files on the pc and look around in them. That's one thing I liked about the ndure version I checked out and I hope to see it more often.

@alfonse,

its most like for the settings_adoc.xip file.. Ndure needs this file to be deleted and thus creating the problem.. I dig around this and let you know soon..

@2121oyoy

its ready to ftp or use with xboxhdm.. I too always like the manual method since you get an idea how the thing works and if something goes wrong , you can troubleshoot it easily.

Thanks for your response kingroach, I will be waiting then.

Quick question is it possible to patch the shadowc xboxdash.xbe to make it region free

offcourse.

how do i go about making making an image of my modified xbox dash that will fit on my c drive

you can either copy the files generated by setup to C:\ drive or you can also put C drive files in any folder named "C" and setup that folder as installation dircetory and it will patch and write necessary files. either way it includes shadowc files that fills up teh rest of your C:\ drive.

Just a quick question, I was under the impression that the UDE (and all newer UDE2, UXE, Ndure, etc) are not vulnerable to the clock loop problem. Rhmental readme raised some concerns. What is all this talk about Ndure being more stable than UDE? Is Ndure completely risk free even after the holiday? Any other risks (I've seen changing languages mentioned).

What exactly are the advantages of Ndure above the previous exploits?

All UDE+ exploits are clock loop free so you can shut off your xbox as long as you like.. it is said that Ndure is more stable than UDE/UXE but its all due to the fonts used by Ndure.. and the stability is not always visible.. for some xbox , UXE hangs if you change settings like parantel controls, language etc. but for Ndure it doesnt happen.. But this hanging of UXE is a rare case..

the only visible advantage of Ndure is that it uses fonts in C:\xodash\ and therefore you can use the retail dash just by changing its name , no need for Fonts>f0nts patching.. so it allows you to boot to msdash in unexploited mode using closed-retail.xbe. so you can have XBl access without coldboot.

and offcourse not to forget it allows gameupdates from coldbooted games (or booted via eject retail function). and some games that require the fonts do not hang from coldboots or via the retail eject function.

kingroach, it's unrelated to the settings_adoc.xip (as deleting that does not create a problem)!

Ah Thanks for the explanation, as long as I decide not to learn Spanish on my XBox I should be safe

going to try this ndure thing out later tonight
used your 2.1 pkg and it looks to work fine, 496MB replacment C:\
but did notice the the Legacy fonts were removed, are they not needed any more ?

and also does anyone know where i can find the SRC for closed-retail.xbe
the one that patches back the public key...
thanks

no pre-live fonts are not needed anymore.. I dont have the direct lick but the closed-retail and dualboot .xbe and source are hosted in the xguides.xbox-scene.com ( AFAIK)..

not there, but a good site with good stuff
i will keep searching
thanks

it's here

to you all, Eh, kingroach, ipodder, krayzie AND OFCOURSE ALL OTHERS EXPLORING POSSIBILITIES! I didn't intend to start a flame war, or offend anyone, but my not so good mood kinda spoiled that.

Although, just for the record, at the same time i posted my "basic" setup, with stripped media folder, i released an installer via my homepage and submitted it to xbins via normal e-mail.

At that point, XBL/update coldboot support was implemented & tested with legacy fonts, no chance of errors (besides user ones!) and my ndure/install CD for xbox was released at the same time as kingroach came with the ndure installer for PC.

Thus, like ipodder, i feel somewhat bitter over both devz3ro's and krayzie's apathy towards ndure. For me the fact that everyone can now use ndure with ease and benefit better XBL/settings compatibility means more, so honestly i couldn't care less then when it was "my work" that was used.

If this turns out as a way to steal credit though....

I'm just gonna go fix my 2 broken xboxes for now, and let the bigshots handle this. They seem to get things in place faster and more effective (no sarcasm here!) so i might as well keep out.

If anyone needs more testers, hosting, file help etcetc, please let me know, my main goal is to help out a community that (via me) liberated not only my xbox, but those of countless friends and family members who can now watch movies, play mario party, listen to music etc wherever they want, without hassle.

So "respeca" and thx to all of you, may the force be with you

Again: I had no apathy against Ndure I had apathy against the way it was propagandized.
Some of you just created an atmosphere in where Ndure was the bomb and UXE was bad and dangerous. UXE is still the current #1 used exploit and it think it deserved its high status. Ndure offers some good impovements but it's not like it's WAY better.

And i still don't understand it why is everybody feeling bitter all of the sudden. Isn't this a free community anymore? Was I not permitted to upgrade my installer to Ndure? I made anouncements in a very early stage although my schedual didn't allow it at that point. If people then decide to make one themselves they should not complain when someone else makes one too.

By the way I also used some codes of Rmenhal, dr oldschool, Xman, angerwound and probably many others. I hereby give all of the people provided code or setups many many credits and i hope they don't consider it stealing when I'm using "their"stuff.

why dont we leave things behind..

on the offtopic, I just installed OSX into my HP computer.. if that makes someone happy.. in your face apple..

I wasn't ever bitter, I posted that a couple pages back. We're all for the same team here, and I expected krayzie's installer to get waves of attention and mine to only be used by a select few, and quite honestly, I'm pretty glad. I doubt a lowly "Member" status person such as myself's PM box could handle the onslaught of messages from noobs who don't understand. Cheers guys.

Regarding my above "offer" (to begin with*):


Some may recall that kernel versions up to 5530 can run a font exploit that uses /C/bert.xtf and /C/ernie.xtf (it resulted from rmenhal's original double dash exploit).

Well, with Ndure it can be used as a "double dash easter egg" (DDEE) exploit, to get back from the live console enabled 185ead00 dash (except for K:5713/5838).

This DDEE requires 21 MB on my 3944's real C, which is one of the reasons for 2.1's filler of that size...


(*I will start a new topic ASAP to provide details about various Ndure 2.1 opportunities, including this.)

Nice idea. I actually thought about making a SCEEE gateway back since that would work on all kernels. MA has this option too but a double dash is indeed much quicker and nicer.

(Clarification: I'm referring to the double dash exploit that can be used as an easter egg exploit ... so I probably should have said 'DDEEE').

krayzie, wouldn't the SCEEE and MAEEE setups break Ndure's automatic softmod protection though?

In what way? Could you please clarify

If dashupdate.xbe runs when SCEEE or MAEEE are implemented then (due to the space they consume in xboxdashdata.185ead00) wouldn't it subsequently overwrite xboxdash.xbe and the xodash directory plus contents, thereby clobbering the softmod (if it's not manually interrupted in time)?

Hmmm yeah I see your point. So the executable would have to be smaller then the previous settings_adoc.xip in order for the update to fail. Thanks

The executable plus any support files needed in xboxdashdata.185ead00 too...

Yups those too obviously... If we only found a way to prevent the execution of the dashupdate.xbe...

That's for sure, but let's remember that the risk of the softmod ever being clobbered (due to SCEEE or MAEEE being installed) is therefore low.

However, as proven on my 3944, non-K:5713/5838 users most likely could be using 'DDEEE' instead, which doesn't break Ndure's softmod protection.

Also, I anticipate that K:3944-5838 users will all have other EEE alternatives, eventually. (I'm surprised no one seems to have noticed that aspect of "eh."'s final posts, profile info. and sig...)

as usual your ourcolony /Ilovebee style posting confuse the shit out of all people.. do you mean that we can use 4920 xboxdash.xbe with teh hulk exploit.. so put xboxdash as settings_adoc.xip and create st.db for xboxdash.xbe that will run the exploit?.. That will be most beneficial since 5713/5838 users wont feel left out..

kingroach, you're confusing eh.'s postings with mine, which I think is unfair (tee-hee) and I see that you understoood almost all of the potential future exploit...

I dont know what I am doing... but heres a st.db I cooked up.. see if this works:

http://www.amarshonarbangla.com/kingroach/hulkstdb.asm

kingroach, I said "almost" because you put "teh hulk" where it's "an audio".

I think you and others will soon be testing ST.DB's; this is the 'UDDAE' referenced in eh.'s profile (and sig, which links to an outline that includes 'UDD' setup info.)...

Nice thinking....

You guys are all nuts. That's all there is to it.

The dual boot XBE's are on XGuides I just forgot to put a proper link in the Wiki.
http://xguides.xbox-scene.com/users/rmenhal/

And since Xbedump is written from scratch, its also there.
http://xguides.xbox-scene.com/users/RiceCake/

I'm gonna tear down XGuides soon and put it all back up, been having alot of trouble lately. When its back up I'll probably build the FAQ section up to help take the stress off these forums. Tutorials as always will be a free-for-all.

just to clear things up , do i just run the installer to create the files then use any other gamesave exploit to gain ftp acess then upload?

yes, First generate the files and then ftp. or if you dont have enought experience then you can use Krazye's gamesave installer.

Just installed this on my 5530 xbox, choosing the retail install with nkpatcher support for 136+gb drives, but it doesnt see my F drive, it shows a empty drive with 28 gb free

when in reality i have 60 gb free, its a 160 gb harddisk

any ideas what im doing wrong?

works fine with ude


PS, booting to an orange powerled scared the shit out of me, thought i fragged it!

i notice that using this exploit you have to wait longer before the dash shows, it that normal?

In your UDE , did you have F+G drive or only F drive formatted upto 160GB?..

i had 160 Gig F, no G