This is issue is just one of the popular distractions of american culture.

In nearly 2006, same old bull sh*t.

But what does give me pleasure is that those that usually spread this type
garbage suffer most from there own intelligence.

Like suicide bombers, my poor existence will be better if "insert racial slur here"
was dead, they stink, are ignorant, and are taking all the scholarships allthough
they are dumb.

My pathetic life became pathetic because of "insert racial slur here". The world
world would be a better place without them.

Um the word "niggardly" has not root in the slang word "nigger"
Its older

And how lazy do you have to be if you dont read the entire word?

The point was that "niggardly" is a word that has no racial connotation, but it is often confused with the word "niggar", and taken as offensive.
The point has been strongly made that we cant start taking words haphazardly out of the lexicon just because they sound similiar to bad words.

Im just showing you that your wrong deftone

I agree with puckSR.

thanks

I have to say that African Americans have to stop trying to play the 'I am the victim' game. Like what Bill Crosby says that black people put themselves down. You see many immigrants doing well compared to these poor blacks and they don't even speak english. These black people should stop eating sh1t coming out from the fat deep fryers and start working, learning and try to contribute to society.

When you see 3 black people beat up and rob a white person, people say that it is a robbery. When you see 3 white people beat up and rob a black guy, it is called a racial attack and you see all the black activists coming out condemning this racial attack.

That is why you see poor black people robbing everybody else and poor white people robbing another white person because the white person are afraid to get arrested for racial attacks.

P.S. I SMOKE ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont know if they have to stop doing that, since their is still a lot of racial prejudice.

The point i was trying to make is that one of the last hurdles to leap before getting out of this cycle of hate is that we have to quit being so paranoid as a culture about prejudice intent of language. A lot of how people perceive and understand the world is expressed through the language of a culture. If we continue to be a culture that is constantly policing itself to make sure no one says NIGGER but black people, then we arent really helping anyone.

Oh another thing
"AFRICAN AMERICAN"
You should only get to use a term like this if you still have ties to the culture of the foreign place your referencing.

You shouldnt get to call your self an "Italian American", if the only thing you know is that your great great great grandfather was probably from italy.

Most people who say, im ____-American, still have strong ties with that area. They may still speak the language, they understand the culture, they may even practice "old-world" customs.

Yes there is racial predjudice against blacks. Whenever I see the news, those a**h0les who committed crimes of rapes, robberies, and murders are mostly blacks. I am sorry, their mother gets pregnant so that they can get welfare, can't even raise their children so they go to a life of crime. This cycle goes over and over. Immigrants go thru the same hardship of raising a child yet their child did okay and ended up contributing to the society while most people rotting in jails are blacks.

I am not a racist because I have many co-workers (including my boss) who are Africian Americans and I have great respect toward them. And I don't consider them 'niggers.' But whenever I see some black teen gets pregnant and his father goes to jail, they deserved to be called a 'nigger' because they screwed themselves already and they can't blame on a white person. And these 'niggers' later complain to the government for a handout saying that 'I am a victim' and the only person who can dig themselves out the hole is themselves. If immigrants can do that, and they don't even speak English, I am sure that these black people can do that.

I am not a racist my dog is black!!!!!!


P.S. I SMOKE ROCKS.

[quote=pug_ster,Sep 17 2005, 07:18 PM]Yes there is racial predjudice against blacks.  Whenever I see the news, those a**h0les who committed crimes of rapes, robberies, and murders are mostly blacks.  I am sorry, their mother gets pregnant so that they can get welfare, can't even raise their children so they go to a life of crime.  This cycle goes over and over.  Immigrants go thru the same hardship of raising a child yet their child did okay and ended up contributing to the society while most people rotting in jails are blacks. 

I am not a racist because I have many co-workers (including my boss) who are Africian Americans and I have great respect toward them.  And I don't consider them 'niggers.'  But whenever I see some black teen gets pregnant and his father goes to jail, they deserved to be called a 'nigger' because they screwed themselves already and they can't blame on a white person.  And these 'niggers' later complain to the government for a handout saying that 'I am a victim' and the only person who can dig themselves out the hole is themselves.  If immigrants can do that, and they don't even speak English, I am sure that these black people can do that.
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Fact not Fiction


As for division according to who receives AFDC, according to Jencks (citing statistics from the House Ways and Means Committee from 1989, see page 264 of his book, note 7), nationally recipients are about 40% black, and 39% non-Hispanic white. He doesn't say who the other 20% are. One would suppose that virtually all of the recipients are women, since the program is (currently) designed to aid single mothers. This is not true of all "welfare" programs. In any case, the division of aid recipients by "race" varies widely from place to place - where the majority of the population is white, say, in rural Minnesota, the majority of aid recipients are as well. Its a big country, after all, and policy is not necessarily best served by broad generalizations about who gets what aid.


IMO, all of your rants have been somewhat " niggardly", you obviously have some
deep emotional investment in the subject matter, but thats your business. Your emotional ramblings have no factual mathematical basis or scientific truth. 

Your obsession with the black white thing speaks volumes. I think that people you respect for whatever reason contribute more to your values system than your
own moral compass.

Blacks and whites together barely account for a third of earths population dont you think it is about time you broaden your experience of life. 

[/quote]Whenever I see the news, those a**h0les who committed crimes of rapes, robberies, and murders are mostly blacks. [/quote]

Just not entirely true factually and statistically. Education by TV, speaks for itself.

I'm done.

I dont understand why something as simple as thinking for yourself is so hard. I honestly think that people that give into stereotypes are just too lazy to look at things and find truth about them for themselves . Why is it so hard to understand
that SKIN COLOR DOES NOT DETERMINE THE WAY A PERSON ACTS, THE MENTALITY DOES geesh .

Not to burst your bubble, but let me rephrase what your saying

"Im NOT racist because i know black people, i also have a great deal of respect for a few select black people"

"But i think most black people are rapist, robbers, and murderers"


Ok, under any definition of racist, your acting in a racist way



The point i was making was that if i called a black person a nigger, then i wasnt inherently racist. Or that if i said that a disproportionately high number of black people are in prison, that i am not a racist. I didnt say that if YOU accused an entire ethnic group of being lazy miscreants that you are not a racist.








You say this like it happens alot. I guess you know a lot of black teens who get pregnant and then the father goes to jail. You seem really irritated by the frequency at which this occurs.
I would be willing to bet that you do not know of one particular person who this has happened to, and no you cant count seeing it on TV.



When i spoke of stereotypes earlier, i was making a point. There are harmless stereotypes; i.e black people are better athletes, hispanics are great cooks, white people cant dance, that dont hurt anyone, and may actually aid people
Then there are harmful stereotypes; such as believing that all black people are fatherless poverty stricken idiots. This is a bad stereotype that is racist, the other examples are not racist.




Once again you prove that you are an idiot
I was arguing that using the term nigger did not imply that you were being derogatory. I was stressing that context and meaning are more important than the actual word.
You have chosen to use the word in a derogatory sense, and apply it to an ethnic group. This would be a "racial slur". This is a racial slur because you are applying it to a particular race with malicious intent.

You have completely missed the point, and i believe i may have accidentally facilitated the actions of a deeply disturbed racist. My apologies.

You know, I don't understand why some people have to get personal about posting stuff here but some people already calling me an idiot by slice and dice every comment of what I say and you proved that I am an idiot when I misquote or misspelled somthing.

I didn't mention anything about hispanics, whites or asians but only Blacks. Read the statistics, compared to other races, more percentage of Blacks compared to the percentage of whites or other races are in jail, taking advantage of welfare, and other things...

I think most of you are too young to know when this happened. I remember when I was in high school a while back when some dumbass 16 year old black teen got killed in a mostly italian neighborhood. And I mean that black teen is a dumbass because he was in that neighborhood to 'look to buy a car.' I'm sorry, that 16 year old black teen looking 'to buy a car' in a italian neighborhood was probably looking for trouble.

Within days, I see a bunch of black protestors in that mostly italian neighborhood. Jesse Jackson came to our high school and lectured us on 'racial equality' in the auditorium. Within a few months the White Mayor of the city was defeated in his bid for re-election and was replaced by a Black Mayor.

If some white guy was looking to buy a car in a black neighborhood and got killed, do you think it would cause such controversy? Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, and others are always crying 'Blacks are the victims' in incidents like these. These people always say that blacks are always repressed against the white aryan race and if they say it long enough, the black folks would believe it. That is why I believe what Bill Crosby say that they can do better than White people if they believe it. Not Jackon, Farrakhan and Sharpton to put black people down.

Man, these guys long since forgot what civil rights means (if they ever knew). Civil Rights get stomped on all the time, most of th etime unrelated to racism. They and many others have forgotten that, which is why they only show up when it furthers their cheesy racist agendas.

You sir have issues you need to sort out and some growing up still very much needed. I only hope that in your limited circle of influence you find the much needed help.

GOD bless the ignore button.

I think there is something important here that you are missing. First, you assume that its the dead person's fault. I dont know why you would make this assumption. I imagine the fault lies with the person who killed him. Your language however implies that it was the 16-year-old's fault for being in the wrong place. What the hell is that about?



Let me ask you a question, if it had been a white kid who had gotten killed, do you think people would have blamed the deceased?
A black person was the victim of this particular crime, but i imagine that the black community was offended by the dismissive nature of people like yourself. Who assume its the kid's fault.



I agree with you on this. The reason im getting after pug_ster is because he is being incredibly insensitive. I dont mean racially insensitive, i mean the man is just out of touch with reality. It is the victim's fault for dying?

Oh great, every other teen out there calling me a racist and I need help just because I talk about sensitive issue about race.



I am getting sick and tired of these dumb ass people here who obviously not old enough to go to college, didn't read my message and come out lashing at me like some idiot. Yes I am saying that it is the dead kids fault, because that black kid was 'looking to buy a car' in a neighborhood that obviously don't like blacks. I don't think he was 'looking to buy a car' and was going to greet those italian kids that is why he got killed. If a white kid have done the same and gotten killed for it, I would have said that he is a dumbass too. If that has a racist tone, that's your opinion, but let others decide. BTW, the kid's name is Yusef Hawkins, google it and find out yourself.

BTW, Pucksr, you have the mentality of Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton because people like you only illustrate an example of why "blacks are the victims."

I stand corrected, maybe you are not racist. You still may be an insensitive, uncaring, and rude person.

The callousness that must exist to justify murder because someone was in "the wrong neighborhood" amazes me.

Here is a theoretical, lets say that a creationist kid goes to college. He decides to major in biology. Some of the students at the school kill him because of opposing idealogy. Would you say that it is the kid's fault still? Would you say he got what he deserved.

If a person went to the "wrong place" and was harassed for it, I would completely agree with you. This kid was murdered however, and im sure that it is excessive unless the kid was trying to do something truly awful.


According to the New York Daily News, Yassef was murdered by mafia wannabes, in a trap. The car was advertised, and when the young men(apparently cars are popular with 16-year-olds) came to check the ad they were attacked. Maybe the kid was "up to no good", but i doubt he was planning anything that deserved murder as a punishment.


Your really annoying me right now, and i bet your up to no good. I, however, will not even begin to threaten you. I fear you though, since apparently brutal murder is an appropriate reward for "bothering" people.

At least calling me rude and uncaring person is better than a racist. I never said that it totally his fault for getting himself killed. But he went to a place that he doesn't belong. I would've say that it is tragic if a black person would've gotten killed near his home or near his place of work.

You believe what you want to believe about that black kid trying to buy a car. Daily News and New York Post will put anything in the front page that is worth catching your eye. My co worker gives me a free copy of New York Post all the time and the only thing that is worth looking is the Su Doku puzzles:)

Ok Grandwizard, explain to me what you mean by "where he didnt belong"
Was he on a military base, did he get into a research lab?

Where does it matter where he is killed? How is it more tragic if he gets killed near his home?

Basically you dont think black people should hang out in places they are not welcome, and if they get killed, then it is their fault.

I dont think im stretching the definition when i refer to you as a segregationalist.

The problem is that you think its not racism, and in your case it is racism. I dont, however, think your evil for your racism, just confused.

you are however one hell of a mean guy, to not think murder is inherently tragic.

PuckSR




The smartest thing you have said in 33 posts.

???

You mean besides:
stating that creationism is not valid science
claiming that our political correctness could be causing greater divide in this nation
attacking vigilantism
Explaining that EE's are not ITT grads
Questioning the tactics of christian evangalists
and many more?


Do you think i am wrong to claim that generalizing the conditions of racism to the point of ridiculousness could potentially be harmful to race relations?

Did you think i was talking out of my ass when I explained to you the difference between communism and government regulated capitalism?

Im sorry if this post took a hostile attitude, but i think you misunderstood a good deal of my posts. Either that or i misuderstood your post.

Great, first you said that I am a racist. Then you said that I am not a racist, but mean and insensitive. Then you said that I am a segregationalist, with a hint of racist.

I am merely raising the issue the race in America that some people here maybe didn't point out and you come and call me a racist. Yes, I was overly cynical about the issue with the 16 year old teen died because the overreaction about the Black protestors, the Media, and Black activists who turned this out of control. Do you see any White protestors, the Media and White activists (if there are any) come out and comdemn black folks killing white people? Either you never heard any black folks killing white people or white people never make this as an racist issue.

I post my comments here and I didn't come out to target anybody personally in this forum by name. But people like pucksr and especially xmedia2004 can't make any decent argument here so they come out lashing at me instead. If you want to do that, fine. But the only person who you make asses of are yourselves.

I could really care less about race relations, there are ignorant people on this earth
since the beginning and will be here to the end. Usually ignorant dont prosper
to well, fair enough life is a bitch. I own serveral rifles and guns.



Yes, SERIOUSLY, yes



No hostility, I like to challenge status quo. This is a dumb thread it reminds me on an episode of Jerry Springer and I promised myself I wouldnt post in it but
your buddy got the best of me.

You know if you came out and made a comment and ACTUALLY backed it up with documented fact from reputable source at least I could respect you.

I have not uttered rascist and you username in the same sentence. But you do remind me of Anthony Rudulph and Timoth McVeigh, not to imply they are rascist
either.

P.S. I will just ignore your post as pretty much everyone else has like I said I would days ago.

Pug_ster for once I think I agree with you. Now they are ignoring you and calling you names because their arguement is pitiful.

One of the few times I agree with pug ster

but what are you agreeing with pug_ster on?
He has made multiple points

1) Black people play the race card too much
2) Black people just shouldnt go someplaces
3) Murder may be justified if you think the person is "up to no good"
4) Most black children are bastards and their mothers are drug abusers

Im just mildly curious, i started this thread to point out the abuse of political correctness and the incorrect application of terms such as racsim,sexism and bigotry when those terms dont exactly apply.

I, however, have never condoned murder, especially for such trivial reasons. pug_ster is advocating far outside the scope of political correctness. pug_ster is making the assertion that in certain instances black people deserve to die, or that if they do die at the hands of a white mob, that there is nothing racial about it?

Oh and to answer this

Well hell, who's fault is this? Maybe white people dont value their lives as much as black people. Its not there fault that you dont get pissed off enough over racial crimes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Oliver_Denny
Perfect case of trying to "balance the scales", an absurd concept which is so ridiculous i think it should be a crime punishable by a minimum of 10 years in prison
Protest cases like this more often.




Anyways,i stand by my condemnation of all violent crimes, and challenge pug_ster to apologize for his inhuman remarks on the death of that young man, and admit that his personal opinion on the matter was jaded by the action of the black demonstrators

..I really dont care if your a racist or not, i just cant stand when murder is trivialized in any form.

I hope that no one chases a loved one of yours and run he or she over
throwing them 100 feet into the air landing onto the concrete crushing their
skull.

Or maybe I should play the O'Reilley card " SIR I ask you to unequivacally condemn these comments "

I don't know what you are smoking, but I give up.

It's cock.

Yeah your MOM's

Glad someone likes it

Yeah what?

All im saying is that the kid shouldnt have been killed. You said he was somewhere he wasnt supposed to be. What the fuck does that mean? Where should black people not be? Where should white people not be? What do you believe he was "up to"?

http://shs.westport.k12.ct.us/jwb/Collab/C...HawkinsRslt.htm



Do you expect those 30 white youths with bats and guns come to greet those 4 black kids and tell them 'Welcome to Bensonhurst?.' If that black kid would've have at least half a brain, he would've ran away.

Pucksr, from your wording, you sound like an idealist where black and white people can live together in harmony. But this is not the case. If I sound like it have a 'racist' tone, so be it.

Are you implying that the kid was killed because he didnt try to avoid a conflict? Trust me, im sure he did everything his little 16-year-old head could think of, but in the end you cannot run away from bullets.

As for the idealist comment, YES, i think black and white people can live together in harmony. I dont think that they currently do most of the time. But i think the can. One of the reasons i started this thread was to point out the counter-productivity of labeling words as racist, and the counterproductivity of labeling things such as stereotyping as inherently racist.

Oh and speaking on the whole issue of ..."white people dont label crimes as racist", if 4 white kids were approached by a mob of asian kids that beat and killed the kids, because they were white, then yeah, i think everyone would label it racist.
Remember i mentioned the Rodney King riots, a lot of the attacks during the riots were racially motivated. The "whites" came out and claimed it was a racial attack.


I still cant believe that you find no justification for the black community to make a big deal out of 30 white kids beating and shooting a black kid because he was black.
Holy crap, what kind of act would it take for you to admit that it was a racist attack?

He wasnt saying it wasnt a racial attack. He was actually implying race had alot to do with it but he should have stayed away. He's 16, come on. If you were 16 and you were excited to buy your first car would you eve think about where you were going to buy it? I wouldnt.

The way I look at it is, I am an American Citizen born and raised in America. If I want to go to anywhere in the USA I should be able to without the fear of being attacked. Especialy over something so petty as purchasing a car. I dont think Im better than any other type of person, black, white, asian, hispanic, indian, whatever. What makes me mad is people always playing the race card. I think alot of girls from all different races are beautiful, and if I would marry anything other than white, especially if I married a black girl, my dad would absolutely freak. He wasnt racist until he lost his job (not race related, he is disable from an accident on the job that was secluded to him and an object in the parking lot he fell and broke both his ankles) and since then he has been going downhill ever since. He is in horrible mental shape, has no money, no car, lives with his mom, is an alchoholic, just about everything except for drugs but he ist still a hard working guy.

Its people like that, that promote racism. That is my own father, we have a great relationship, I just dont agree with him spouting off about "nigger this" "nigger that" "dumb nigger". He has been in a psychiatric hospital twice, both times he admitted himself, both times released after the doctor said he was fine. He is mentally ill, as with all racists. All people are equal as far as I can see, only thing different is the way they look, we all tick the same way.

I never said that it was not a racist attack. I said that the black protestors, the Media and the Black activists blown it out of porportion. And those black activists saying that 'blacks are the victims' yaddie yadda dah...

alright pug_ster, how would you recommend someone react to this kind of thing? IT obviously stems from racism, so i dont see how Jesse Jackson coming to your school and talking about racial tolerance is the wrong way?

Do you think black people shouldnt get mad when they are killed for going to the wrong neighborhood?



So they arent the victims of racism?
So they arent the victims of prejudice?
So they arent the victims of violence?

This young man was the victim of all 3


The race card is a pain in the ass, and it does get played way too often. The problem is that it still deserves to be played sometimes. Maybe not when you say the word "niggar", but when 30 white kids murder a black kid cause he is black, then yeah, play the race card.

The protestors came in and protested in that ONE neighborhood. Jesse Jackson came and lecture about racial equality to the high school closest to that ONE neighborhood. The Media portrays the racial hatred in that ONE neighborhood. What do most people in that time conclude? Everyone in that ONE neighborhood is a bunch of racists (and I am not kidding.)

Killings happens every day so why does this one should receive a lot more attention than other killings?

Sure, send the Killer(s) to jail and then the electric chair. But don't prejudge every one else just because there are a few bad apples in that ONE neighborhood, as in there are bad apples in every neighborhood.

A white mob formed. Do you actually think that the only racist people in that neighborhood were the 30 white guys.

Those 30 white guys were at least under the impression that their actions were tolerable by the neighborhood. Maybe not the murder, but the article you linked to earlier even had a girl saying that black guys dont come around because the guys would rough them up.

If one white guy had killed one black guy, i would definately support you. The fact that 30 white guys formed a public mob and killed that black kid indicates to me that there was at least some general racism in the neighborhood.

If it had been something else, like if 30 girls had been raped. They might have done the same thing. Or if 30 shops had been robbed in a week in that neighborhood. Your thinking 1 kid, 1 incident of racism. The problem is that 30+ people condoned the act. Thats 30+ acts of public racism in one day.

You know, it sounds to me that this is a racist statement.

Not to me. I believe the statement he mad is true.

How is that racist? Wait, i think i know what you are going to say, so let me save some space.
The quotes from the neighbors insist that they were not suprised by this action, and that at least some bullying was to be expected. Also, mobs dont normally organize from a small minority of the local population. Normally a mob forms because they believe that enough people support them that they can act in the way they wish. Im not saying that the people do support them, but that the mob believes this. That is why i said " at least under the impression". Between the quotes in your article, and the belief of the mob, some sort of racism must have existed in that neighborhood.
Mobs lynched many black men in the south even into the 1950s. The same actions were rare if never in societies where blacks were more socially accepted. The reason is that you dont normally have mob violence when the motive of the mob is questioned by nearly everyone.

Ever heard of the phrase "take care of your own?" Thats what Im guessing the italians were thinking because a few people maybe 2 were racist and the rest felt they had to follow.

That was a race crime. I could see a 2 or 3 person group walking around and fighting the one black kid and that could be questionable as to whether it was a hate crime. But 30 people getting together to kill one black kid who was causeing no harm? Come on, even my sister can tell the difference between a square and a circle.

You probably have the same mentality of those black protestors and those black activists about this. You think that when those 30 white kids run after those black kids, bystanders would stand by and cheer them on? Most people doesn't want to be a part of it and just want to be left alone. Do you think they are racists?

In any case, you, the black protestors and activists kept b1tching about 'blacks are the victims' in that one neighborhood and handing out punishment to those 30 white kids is not enough. You want the 100,000+ people in that neighborhood to be catagorized as racists (or whatever you want to be called as) just because you think that neighborhood is a breeding ground for so called 'black-haters.' Thus you, and those black activists and protestors are racists because you and those black activists and protestors discriminate against 99%+ of the individuals living in that neighborhood based on the actions on 30 people.

All I have to say is, what is the difference between this and when gangs form in prominent black neighborhoods and rough up the white kids?

I believe what pug_ster is getting at is why when this happens to a white person, are we not allowed to bring in a bunch of white dudes and use the "race card"? You even said it yourself that because this was a race attack, they had the right to use the race card and had lectures, etc. Well since they can do it, for equality (you know that shit they speak of) whites should be allowed to do this also..........................but they are not because of the blacks. If we did that shit the blacks would pitch a fit, and use a race card.

Just something to think about

OOOH, a white lynching? Yeah those happened all the time in NOWHERE

Gangs are a violent group, they are responsible for attacking people of all ethnicity. Black, white, asian, and everyone. They are criminal, and they are bad. So is the Mafia.

This was a mob. This was 30 guys who saw a black kid and chased him down. This is not the same as anything i have ever heard of black kids doing, but please, find me an example.



First off, that wouldnt be racist, just stereotyping. Get your terminology straight
Secondly, they dont want everyone in that neighborhood declared a racist, but they do want assholes like you to admit that more than 30 people in that neighborhood are strongly prejudice.

Are you honestly telling me that all 30 racists in the neighborhood happened to be holding a klan rally or something when this black kid happened to walk through?
Im saying that if 30 white kids can suddenly jump up and attack someone because of race, that there are probably enough of them around so that at least 30 were available for this particular murder.

So let me get this straight, if white people discriminate against black people, they are racists. If black people discriminate against white people, they are sterotyping. You know, sometimes I don't even know what is the definition of 'racism' anymore because it was reworded so many times by you.



Great, let's have Jesse Jackson and their fellow black protestors round up all the prejudice people in that neighborhood... 1) The lady who said "If a black kid came in here, he would probably leave right away because the guys would abuse him." 2) People who counterprotest the black protestors telling them to leave. 3) Other dumbass white italian kids who are heard saying the 'n' word. 4) Don't forget to get those italian kids who were not available for this particular murder 5) me:) Jesse Jackson will then go to the city to get a court order, make them take a 'racial sensitivity' course and take an oath to renounce racism against the repressed black folks.

What Jesse Jackson and you want is different than the witch hunt days of McCarthyism hunting for the usual communists. The more you post, the more you sound like the very 'racists' that you are trying to condemn.