I dont understand why everyone thinks evox is so great. Ive since changed everything over to xbmp. Now i can do absolutely everything from one program. IGR you might say but bioses do a much better job of that anyway.

Just curious, defend your dashboard

i try evox, didnt like it, took way too long to load up my game. so i switch back to the default dashboard.

QUOTE (apoc519 @ Apr 11 2003, 03:09 AM)

I dont understand why everyone thinks evox is so great. Ive since changed everything over to xbmp. Now i can do absolutely everything from one program. IGR you might say but bioses do a much better job of that anyway. Just curious, defend your dashboard

i dont think u can update your bios from xbmp!

No "auto add" feature

1. who updates their bios on a daily basis? or monthly even. I can burn a cdrw for that

2. no autoadd? im afraid it does. You have to put an entry like this in the applications section of the config.ini file

bookmark "My Games": Autoadd items ( f:games )

or make a shortcut file. Takes 10 seconds

QUOTE (apoc519 @ Apr 11 2003, 04:13 AM)

1. who updates their bios on a daily basis? or monthly even. I can burn a cdrw for that 2. no autoadd? im afraid it does. You have to put an entry like this in the applications section of the config.ini file bookmark "My Games": Autoadd items ( f:games ) or make a shortcut file. Takes 10 seconds

u cant view ur cpu temp from xbmp

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u cant view ur cpu temp from xbmp

Try a more recent CVS build, you might be surprised

To be honest, haven't had the time to test all of what XBMP can do, I am still jived about Shoutcast.. so never thought of making it my dash.. may do that one day when I have some free time.. and with the way my work, and economy in general is, may be sooner than later.

evox works well no need 2 switch lol


so bottom line IM LAZY and im real proud!!!

hmmm let's see... Evox NEVER freezes on me.

QUOTE (jasonmvt @ Apr 11 2003, 12:05 AM)

hmmm let's see... Evox NEVER freezes on me.

What a good point

evox has lots a porn on it!.................oh wait, no, that's what i use xbmp for.
evox=dashboard
xmbp=porn server

hard to freeze when you only use it for 3 seconds while your trying to find a better application.

Face it, evox is downright ugly for a program whos main function is to provide a nice interface for launching other applications. Yay, i can change the background image and the menu colors! Why havn't they incorporated better skinning capabilities in it yet?

I'm still waiting for a good argument as to why evox is so great

ya, i wouldn't know where to begin coding something like it but it's a far cry from what xbmp is

You assume it's for a nice interface.
It isn't, Evox is there to get the job done.
Its ftp server works fine, it launches games fine, its auto-add works fine.
Why switch, when you don't need to?
This is like trying to argue about Window Managers, they all get the job done.
You might like KDE, I'll stick with twm and CDE.

Hey apoc519,do you even know how to use the evox dashboard.man you need to read the tuts

Pretty: XBMP Dash and xISO
Utilitarian: EvoX and SimpleX

I'm just sayin...

QUOTE (Xeero @ Apr 10 2003, 11:10 PM)

Pretty: XBMP Dash and xISO Utilitarian: EvoX and SimpleX I'm just sayin...

Hopefully NexGen is both

Yeah It'll be nice when it goes open source.
At least MXM is already opensource!
Now all we need is a mini-xbe format that is compatible between a dashes, and designed to run in their own threads...cheap way to have "multi-tasking" without having to compile them in.
I guess we won't see it happen anytime soon.

QUOTE (apoc519 @ Apr 11 2003, 12:32 AM)

hard to freeze when you only use it for 3 seconds while your trying to find a better application. Face it, evox is downright ugly for a program whos main function is to provide a nice interface for launching other applications. Yay, i can change the background image and the menu colors! Why havn't they incorporated better skinning capabilities in it yet? I'm still waiting for a good argument as to why evox is so great ya, i wouldn't know where to begin coding something like it but it's a far cry from what xbmp is

actually, I can have evox on for a week straight, it doesn't matter. FTP up, down, run games and apps, return, switch menus as fast as I can push the buttons, unplug/plug in network cable all damn day and it'll never freeze. Try saying that about XBMP.

Don't get me wrong, I use it alot, and it is a great program. My intent is not to bash XBMP, just say that it is better suited for its real purpose, playing media.

Blah, Blah, skins and pictures. Yes of course it would be cool to have all that in Evox, but I'll take stability and functionality over bugs on a console any day.

MXM is, to me, capable of looking even better than XBMP if you take a little time with it, but I'm still not gonna run out and dump evox until it has the same sort of functionality.

Evox is the Sh*t, I wouldn't use anything else...

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Pretty: XBMP Dash and xISO Utilitarian: EvoX and SimpleX

Exactly, its a utility. 90% of its options you don't use on a daily basis. It's a great way to get a modded xbox up and running and from there you can have it as an option. Seems like everyone's just too stubborn or lazy to change. If you didnt use your box for music or videos at all I might buy that excuse but honestly what else are you doing with it? its not like there are many good games(a whole new can of worms)

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I can have evox on for a week straight

I'm not sure why you'd want to leave it on for a week but ok. The only time xbmp has ever frozen on me is when im playing videos or mp3s, which evox doesnt do in the first place and is likely more a problem of the video or music file then the program.

apoc519, if you move your Xbox around and its IP changes a lot, EvolutionX will automatically change your network setup for you everytime. If you do a lot of LAN parties, this is very handy.

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Just curious, defend your dashboard

Give our opinion of EvolutionX and how we like it, and then hear your excuses of why it sucks? That's not a healthy debate...

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hard to freeze when you only use it for 3 seconds while your trying to find a better application.

apoc, you hardly even gave it a chance.

right now i use evox as default dash... and i'm actually in xbmp more than evox, i'm probably going to make the switch.. moslty becasue of the filezilla services that evox does not provide (and the obvious other media services)... what i really want to see is USB mouse capabilities and remote manage funtion so i can execute movies and mp3'z from my computer since i totally switch over to the xbox as my entertainment center...

This is as bad as trying to say "Linux is better than Windows, so you should use Linux", apoc.
Evox works, and does its job. Case closed.
You can use xbmp, we'll use what we like also.

Btw, I perfer non-xml config for quick editing.
That alone is good enough reason for me to stick with evox as my dash.

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Give our opinion of EvolutionX and how we like it, and then hear your excuses of why it sucks? That's not a healthy debate...

Who said it sucks? I use it for a lot of things. I'm pretty sure thats exactly how debates work. You give your side, I give mine.

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apoc, you hardly even gave it a chance.

I used it for 3 months, until the first day xbmp came out with the dashboard option and i havn't looked back

its definately the way to go if you're the type who has their box apart on a daily basis and you've given a couple other reasons why it would make a good dash. None that apply to me but I can see your point

QUOTE (apoc519 @ Apr 11 2003, 02:09 AM)

I dont understand why everyone thinks evox is so great. Ive since changed everything over to xbmp. Now i can do absolutely everything from one program. IGR you might say but bioses do a much better job of that anyway. Just curious, defend your dashboard

I guess it's just because evox was there first, so people got used to it. Then along came NexGen and xbmp, but people tend to stick with what they know, unless there's a good reason not to.

QUOTE (apoc519 @ Apr 11 2003, 02:16 AM)

The only time xbmp has ever frozen on me is when im playing videos or mp3s, which evox doesnt do in the first place and is likely more a problem of the video or music file then the program.

umm, evox is not supposed to play videos or mp3's, so stop using that as your big argument. And if you only had XBMP freeze once or twice (especially since you said you've been using it for all that time), you either recompiled your own version, are the luckiest man alive, or use your xbox once a month to play one thing and then shutdown.

Network navigation in XBMP is still a game of Russian Roulette. Scan through one dir and jump back, cringe, okay it didn't freeze. Phew. Repeat, oh shit, time to hard reset. That's applies to all the networking standards that XBMP uses (and the internal file managing), albeit some are less buggy than others.

Doing just about anything repeatedly, or quickly in XBMP, at one point or another will cause a crash eventually (and yes, I have been through many builds, I'd wager more than you anyway). If you want to sit down and watch an entire movie, or listen to a set playlist, it's great. But jumping around, sampling alot of different things will only lead to trouble. Hey, sometimes I can scream through files and folders for a whole hour just fine, but sooner or later, it'll wreck

Of course, you are entitled to your opinion, and what works for you, well, works for you. But asking directly for others to 'defend' their dash from the get go, only invites this sort of thing.

jasonmvt, COMPLETELY agree. Xbmp has froze on me many times, and I had to do hard resets too. And no, its not from user error.

what about filezilla?? noby uses that alot???

QUOTE (AdmStng @ Apr 11 2003, 03:04 AM)

what about filezilla?? noby uses that alot???

If I knew what it was, then maybe.

What is Filezilla?

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umm, evox is not supposed to play videos or mp3's, so stop using that as your big argument

That was never my argument, I was pointing out that xbmp had never failed me as a dashboard except for freezing while playing certain media which has nothing to do with it being a good dashboard at all.

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if you only had XBMP freeze once or twice (especially since you said you've been using it for all that time), you either recompiled your own version, are the luckiest man alive

apparently I'm the luckiest man alive

I don't use xbmp as an ftp server, that's a better job for a separate utility like evox. I don't need it in my dashboard. The XBMP ftp server does work a lot better then it used to though

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I have been through many builds, I'd wager more than you anyway

I've tried nearly every cvs build since they've started releasing them. Don't assume.

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asking directly for others to 'defend' their dash from the get go, only invites this sort of thing.

Thats what I was hoping for

QUOTE (apoc519 @ Apr 11 2003, 03:18 AM)

I've tried nearly every cvs build since they've started releasing them. Don't assume.

and you still maintain you only had it freeze once or twice?

even frodo and other's would (and have) admit(ted) to very frequent or random crashes on the early (and some later builds) in the forum or on irc; not to mention the myriad of other features slowly added that were always crashing. MANY releases contained critical bugs, that had to be immediately recompiled. Look, I'm not going to turn this into a 'bash XBMP' thread, but it is a widely known fact that it freezes quite often. If I, or Shanafan, was the only person to have this sort of trouble, I could see your point. You are obviously in way over your level of involvement with this. I don't claim to be an expert on XBMP, but even I can see a work-in-progress when it's in front of me. It IS getting better, day by day. I'm certain there will come a time when the program lives up to the expectations that you place upon it, but that time has still yet to arrive.

I dont use all the features they put into it, but in the last 2 months I havn't had a single problem. Obviously the earlier releases were buggy and some of the latest features arn't perfect but it's basic funtions work flawlessly for me.

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even frodo and other's would (and have) admit(ted) to very frequent or random crashes on the early (and some later builds) in the forum or on irc

That has more to do with it's functionality as a media player then as dashboard

Both are just as good. Use the one you like the most, and be happy.

I use XBMP as Dash But i must say i do hav problem when i UPDATE it to the Latest CVS... It ALWAYS! ALWAYS Cause's a Problem...

Dunno why? but it does.. ATM i cant even get the Latest CVS release to LOAD god knows why :S

But even when i did use XBMP as Dash i still had EVoX there as i find it's FTP more stable! god knows why it just seem to be able to hold the connection while FTP'ing my Games over

let's recap:

First, you say...

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The only time xbmp has ever frozen on me is when im playing videos or mp3s

followed by...

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I've tried nearly every cvs build since they've started releasing them. Don't assume.

and then to conclude with the cryptic statement...

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I dont use all the features they put into it

sounds like a concession to me.... but wait, then we have a total reversal of earlier with:

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Obviously the earlier releases were buggy and some of the latest features arn't perfect

well, then how do you know they were buggy if the 'features' never froze on you??? Buggy or 'not perfect', to me, would seem to include crashing...

obviously you are stretching the truth on the freeze issue. Anyone who would have used XBMP as much as you say you have, through all the early releases especially, would know that it is prone to crash. This is not suitable for a dashboard. You have undermined your own argument, thus now negating the topic of this thread. It's fine to love and support a piece of software that has a lot of hard work invested in it. Just don't try to trash something that is proven thousands of times over in order to do so.

By saying it had never freezed on me I was referring to the latest builds from the past month or 2. Not in the entire history of the xbmp

I don't use any of the newer features, but from what I've seen in forums there are some problems. I've never experienced them myself

QUOTE (apoc519 @ Apr 11 2003, 04:17 AM)

By saying it had never freezed on me I was referring to the latest builds from the past month or 2. Not in the entire history of the xbmp

okay, okay, you've had enough. Someone get him a cold beer for that lump on his head...

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but from what I've seen in forums there are some problems

well then, there'ya go. The answer to you original question... and you had it all along!

If you don't use all of the features of XBMP.. then you have NO IDEA how buggy it truly is.

If all you do is play a MPG or an MP3.. then you really have no idea.

Is XBMP great? Sure...

Is it ready for PRIME TIME as the default DASHBOARD.. not yet.

For most.. XBMP is fine where most people have it.. in their EVOX MENU!

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On another NOTE.. PROPS to the XBMP team.. I'm more and more impressed with the product all the time!

MOVED!

QUOTE (apoc519 @ Apr 11 2003, 04:32 AM)

hard to freeze when you only use it for 3 seconds while your trying to find a better application. Face it, evox is downright ugly for a program whos main function is to provide a nice interface for launching other applications. Yay, i can change the background image and the menu colors! Why havn't they incorporated better skinning capabilities in it yet? I'm still waiting for a good argument as to why evox is so great ya, i wouldn't know where to begin coding something like it but it's a far cry from what xbmp is

Why did you ask people defend evox when all you really wanted to do was dump all over it? Everytime someone says why they use it you shit all over them? I use it, I like it, I don't use my xbox to play movies or mp3's so why should I use xbmp?

Being an EvoX user, AND an XBMP user I will ask you apoc519 to defend YOUR dash (XBMP I assume!)
I personally have no preference for either, and use both. They both do the jobs they claim to do, so come on convert me from one to the other!!!!
Regards,
Psi

I use evox because it works best for me. I have everything set just the way I want it and it hasn't failed me yet. *knock on wood* I've never had it freeze on me either so theres another reason to like it. I don't think I would change over to xbmp as a dash because I like things the way they are now, working. If it aint broke, don't fix it.

My only gripe with evox seems to be the inablity to adjust screen res/positioning. on my 16:9 tv, the dash is always too wide on both sides. and this causes programs i run, such as gentoo linux to look like total shit. Maybe i should try xbmp

Well, i use both EvoX, and XBMP.. And personally, i wouldn't even consider using XBMP as my dash, evox works great, it does what it does, and it does so very well.. though, i'm just waiting for nexgen (maybe, i'll have to wait and see)..

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QUOTE (jasonmvt @ Apr 11 2003, 12:05 AM) hmmm let's see... Evox NEVER freezes on me.  What a good point

I love XBMP, but not as a dashboard.
EvolutionX has never ever frozen on me, or caused problems while I was doing large FTP transfers.