This is from the elderscrolls forums. This thread is the 2nd thread, but the first post summarizes the first thread.

His thoughts:
"To be perfectly honest, my initial impression of the graphics (the game was running on a high-def TV) was that they were disappointing. The Emperor and Imperial guard models looked a little rough, especially the former's, and certainly not as impressive as in the screenshots."

"As for feeling disappointed by my (vague) impressions, don't be. If you're a fan of the series, you really will feel right at home, and it's impossible to tell what the *meat* of the game is like from just 30-40mins.
(Also, I was disappointed, in terms of graphics and tech, with *everything* at X05. You should see Perfect Dark Zero ... ughhh, Riddick looks better at times.) "

http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.p...howtopic=169688

The first thread:
http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.p...howtopic=169615

Another Oblivion note regarding this quote:
"According to XBOX World Oct 2005, issue 30, page 94, column 3 :-
Bethesda told us The 360 version is going to be the best looking by far even compared to a top end PC, even if we spend thousands of pounds on the best money can buy. PC technology just isn't up to this level yet."


Pete from Bethesda said: "We didn't, which is why it isn't in quotes. They're paraphrasing with a few of their own words thrown in so it makes the platform they've dedicated their magazine to look far superior. Imagine that. "

http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.p...dpost&p=2930854

would that be Pete Hines who I quoted in the other thread?

lol are you purposely trying to confuse Ozy?

agree

Yes please do not get Ozy started. Ozy kills me he will not listen to his GUT but listens to hear say. If some one makes a post the 360 is not very powerful he will take it to heart and obsess about it all day.

Incase Ozy missed it in the other thread...this is what he said a month or so ago...

Pete Hines..

QUOTE

“The advantage of the Xbox 360 is that it’s designed to run our game, period. You know if you have a 360 it will look as good as it can possibly look. If you have the latest, greatest PC with the best video card, etc., it will probably look the same as the Xbox 360 version. Anything else will lag behind.”

He later goes on to say that , “When people ask us whether or not to do a major PC upgrade or get the console version of one of our games, we always recommend the console version. Our games tend to push the limits of technology pretty hard, so it’s much easier to predict performance on a closed box than one with thousands of possible configurations.”

guess this means 360 is crap and i should go out and buy ps2 instead........

I got another "whatever" for this thread........next....

I have one I can sell you, it looks like swiss cheese though.

I'll only charge ya $30.00

Sony didn' t put enough ventilation in there anyway. It seems like they made the same mistake with PS3. How are they ever going to keep that Cell cool?

*Grabs 30-06 and lights into a PS3*

I'm very confused!

Any actual xbox 360 videos or are these only for the pc?

yeah did anyone else catch that the prototype PS3 doesn't have any ventilation holes what-so-ever

I think it's more of a pressure-cooker than a grill

hahaha

classic

stay confused.....save us all the trouble......its alot easier to get you confused than it is to rescue your sanity.....

I was a bit surprised to hear that he didn't like Oblivion's gfx, but then again I remember how badly the Samsung TV sets we're adjusted in TGS, so I'm really not that surprised in the end. It kind of bothers me that the same retailer demo x360 sets will be distributed everywhere with the same crappy settings.

But still, it has become obvious that x360's launch WAS a bit rushed when it comes to games - the most of the first wave of games are sadly pretty much more 1.5 than 2.0. But, on the other side I'm glad I'm atleast getting SOMETHING right away, not having to wait to fall 2006 for our console and games, and we know there's a loads of great titles coming up just around the corner.

My december and january will be well spent with PGR3, Saints Row and Condemned. In the springtime we'll have plenty of great titles, including GOW, Ghost Recon and new sequel for Splinter Cell series, of which current installation looks amazing even with current hardware.

So there's nothing to panic about, some games will look better and other games look worse. But that's pretty much the way it has been since the first computer games.

How is what we are getting 1.5? Do you have a mental illness which you haven't told us about?
If not, I pity you.

i belive this....wether or not the xbox can handle oblivion at max settings,every game needs to be optimized. in xboxs case it needs to multi threaded and be efficient with in order instructions,it needs to be coded to take advantage of the edram,and theyre rushing it out the door because they feel they need to make launch....which upsets me because this is gonna force me to put $1500 into my pc(which it needs because AGP is dead,i need a new motherboard,new video card,cpu is getting outdated,and 1gb of ram isnt enough for todays games)

I was just argumenting that some of the launch titles are more of a lukewarm x360 upgrades of Xbox titles rather than real groundbreaking next-gen titles, PDZ, Gun, Amped, Tony Hawk, Final Fantasy and King Kong to name a few. You might disagree on PDZ, but in my mind current gen's Halo 2's gourgeous intro parts, Splinter Cell Chaos Theory and Riddick would look way better than these titles if they were rendered in 720p. Based on the gameplay reports, videos and screenshots it's not the giant technical leap we were led to believe.

Now, I've actually played the x360 games and know damn well what I'm talking about. You on the other hand seem to be just content drooling to leeched torrent gamevids and personally attacking with everyone who disagrees with your views.

Go grow up.

Forget the 30-06, *grabs sawed-off 12 ga. loaded with 00 buckshot and proceeds to "ventilate" PoS3.* Then in super stealthy, S.E.A.L.,ninja sorta way sneaks into Sony and plants claymores along the path to Ken Kutaragi's office. As little Kenny walks by holding his Ps3 like his illegitimate offspring, BOOM, ventilates both of them. I have no idea were all that came from, I think I was possesed for a couple minutes. Anyway, hope you all enjoyed it. Let the "O my God you killed Kenny" jokes begin.

Im speaking generally here by the way, dont mean to get into the middle of the catfight thats brewing

thats the way launches will always be. Some look great but if all were to look true next gen, launch wouldnt take place for another year. If everyone waited to even slightly max out a system, launches would consist of Dark Sectors, Gears, Mass Effects, Too Humans, Huxleys, Halo 3's...and that will never happen.

As far as launches and launch games go, this is by far the king of them all, eclipsing Dreamcasts even.

ps2 had one known game I believe, Ridge Racer, and was the only known game out for months upon months. In that same anount of time, the 360 will have atleast 40 games.

Go back and look at the calibur of launch games for the 360 and tell me its not impressive.

Like many have said, we are reaching a point where the graphics wont get better exponentially. Its not a generation difference like it was from saturn/ps1/N64 to Dreamcast. Now That was huge for graphics. Current PC technology has a lot to do with how we feel about some so called next gen games.

I dont know what you people were expecting at launch. This is by far the best ever, the titles alone make that a fact.

Not only are there many, but there are high profile ones. If they dont warrant a purchase, and you dont think they are next gen, by all means dont buy one.

This whole launch bit is why I was overjoyed to hear that Gears wasnt launch, It meant it wasnt going to be rushed and suffer the launch illness. Its the same reason Im glad that Recon got delayed.

There will always be stinkers at launch, on any system, till the end of time. THis is nothing new and if it is to some people, youve never been around one b4. I never expect anything huge at launch, but I look down the road a few years. Thats when it really heats up. At the same time I am very pleased we are getting titles like oblivion, pgr 3, PD zero, CoD 2, DOA 4, quake 4 and so on..just to name a few.

Ok carry on... for all.

hahahahaha

wasn't expecting that, I liked it a lot

you cant compare the launch of the first console in a generation to one that comes out later(like compare the graphics of ps2 launch titles to xboxs.....big diffrence)360 will launch more like ps2 and ps3 will launch like xbox.....

thats somewhat true...

but a lot has to do with exlusives, and a LOT of the titles for 360 are just that. Im not saying ps3 wont have any, that would be silly, but they wont have this many. And not this many that are high profile. Well that would depend on launch time, so we shall wait on that one.

My point still stands, all launch titles on all systems till the end of time, are not optimized due to time constraints, but Im sure you'll disagree with that too right?

Good points, Deftech. This was very much the point of my first post. Some launch games are postponed Xbox releases slightly upgraded to x360 or then actual x360 games rushed for the launch (hence the 1.5 phrase), but there certainly are some must-get titles that push the envelope available as well.

When I argumented that x360's launch was rushed, I counter-argumented myself by saying that I'm glad I'm getting something now, instead of fall 2005. Some people say that MS could've and should've waited to spring, but I really prefer knowing that my HDTV gaming starts this year.

x360's launch is good, with many quality titles available from day one - but the best stuff is surely just around the corner.

I knew what you meant, thats why I said I was making general comments..your post got me thinking is all

I have no idea why people, and not just here, expected all launch titles to be something that would blow them away.

Some games will, very few though. They have only themselves to blame for their unwarranted expectations.

I have to keep remembering what Staff here tells me, that the age group here is younger, and some werent old enough to remember even the DC launch.

they might remember it but they didnt know all the details like they do now, so this is a first for actually learning the ins and out of what a launch consists of.

Let me remind people what MS is doing, A launch in all territories within a couple weeks time. Its unheard of and only they could pull it off. That makes things a lot trickier for them and the developers alike.

How will PS3 launch more like Xbox and Xbox 360 will launch more like ps2?
PS3's specs vs Xbox 360's specs aren't anywhere in the ballpark of how different PS2's specs were from Xbox1's specs. In fact, PS3's specs and Xbox 360's specs are almost identical.
PS3 has 512mb total ram, Xbox 360 has 522mb total ram.
PS3 has a 3.2ghz processor, Xbox 360 has a 3.2 ghz processor.
PS3 has a 550mhz gpu with traditional pipeline architecture, Xbox 360 has a 500mhz gpu with custom dedicated pipeline architecture.

.... and so on.
Compare that to PS2 vs Xbox and you will see why the previous gen was the was it was concerning the launch.

incase some missed it..

http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1211...IV-Oblivion/p1/

2 pages..

you do relise at launch....spec mean nothing...right



tell me god of war doesnt look better then the halo1 launch title?huh, what, specs are never maxed on launch.....of course halo1 looked better then anything on ps2's launch because it was in dev for like 5 years on the mac xbox came out later...launch games just looked better, because they had to

I said that PS3 is nowhere ahead of Xbox 360 as Xbox1 was ahead of PS2. This means that PS3's launch titles shouldn't be graphically superior to Xbox360's launch titles as Xbox1's launch titles were to PS2's.

which is why spec means nothing...do you really think PD0 is maxing our little 360 out no.....................but by the time ps3 launch comes out it will be more utilized then the 360 is now

I see. The thing is, you then compared God Of War (a game that released 4 years after ps2's launch) to Halo1 (a game that released on Xbox's launch). That is an unfair evaluation.

Instead, you should be comparing an Xbox1 launch title to PS2 titles which were released near Xboxs launch.


Also, the developers work with the consoels tech in a timeframe. It doesn't matter how developed the technology is because they are working on projects. Developing a game to run on a 3.2 ghz processor in 2 years now is very similar to developing one on a differently-architectured 3.2 ghz processor in 2 years next spring. Unless the developers who are making a PS3 game worked with Xbox360's components, they have just as much experience as Xbox 360 launch-title devs do.
The reason why Xbox launch titles looked better were the developers and slightly because of specs.

We are all making the wrong comparisons, the phrase "xbox 1.5" gives the impression that the 360 software doesnt look That much better than current gen grafix (xbox). This is almost like deja vu for me cause Back when xbox was launching the same damn argument was brought up since halo didnt look that much better than the ps2 games that were out at that time especially since reports were saying the box was 2-3 times more powerful than ps2. Sure the box had some stand out titles that looked very impressive (Doa and Pgr) but it wasnt enough to detract the naysayers; similar to how the 360 is being treated now with standout titles like pgr and GoW. We all know how the xbox and ps2 turned out, the system that launched first won(hint, hint) and second system only got "honourable mention".

these comparisons are pointless though cause no matter what you think of the consoles now, it wont matter later on in the life cycle. Software will be way above and beyond the stuff we are seeing now and "Xbox 1.5" would sound so ridiculous that the phrase will be forgotton.

P.S. Ds came out before PSP and look how that turned out

i compared halo1 to god of war to say specs mean nothing.....because GoW looks much better then halo....this signifies that halo didnt use xbox to the limits on launch thus saying specs dont have much to do in launch titles

How can the grf of oblivion be dissapointing? Didnt everyone see the 20 minutes of ingame play? Well if it gets that good, then doesnt it mean that the xbox360 will be playing it at that quality? Not sure, but since the game will be used to its full potential on xbox360, then doesnt it have to alteast look that good as i saw in the video.

ps I think i saw the high quality video, with all the shadows working and stuff, and I thought it looked impressive...

No shit einstein, good job bringing up all the wrong points and ignoring what I said. Forget about it, anyways. Let's just be happy campers and forget about this mishap.

that 20minute video was run on a pc



.........thats not what well see on 360 as of now,were looking at low AA low AF no hdr and no shadows

*sigh*

Yes, but Bethseda said that the xbox360 will be able to run it at peak performance. As well as a top of the line PC. Right? So that is what it will look like.

ps and since it looked like that, it has to look like that or better on the 360. If there statement was true...

That explains it!


Anyways, I couldn't agree with you more.
Console launches are always like this (for those of us old enough to go back to other generations), they will always consist of a mediocre line of titles.
People Def is absolutely correct here!
You can go back to the launch of the current generation of consoles to get a great example of what he's talking about.


Also believe Def when he says that the Xbox 360 launch line up is perhaps the best launch line up ever.
I was there for the NES and the Master System launches although the memories are a little cloudy. (Hell I remember the TG 16 launch vividly).
I remember the Sega Genesis and Super NES launches like I remember the first time I got laid. Up until this upcoming launch, the Dreamcast launch was the most impressive one to date. (Sonic Adventure, NFL 2K, Soul Calibur, just to name a few titles)
The Xbox 360 launch line up has the potential to eclipse the DC launch in my humble opinion. Notice I said potential because we won't know for sure until we play the games. But on the level of excitement alone, only the DC launch comes close. Yeah that's my personal opinion but how can you argue the fact that M$ has all it's bases covered? They have potentially blockbuster titles for just about any video game genre you can think of. Notice I said blockbuster titles, no these aren't your regular launch titles! Oblivion, PDZ, COD2, PGR3, and DOA4 all have a huge fan following. I've never seen anything like this. And remember I haven't even mentioned other launch titles that can emerge as hits.

You kittens whine too much, I don't know whether you're spoiled or ignorant (or both) but at the very least you're gonna be getting a solid console launch.
You guys are bitching now, I can only imagine how much worse things will get when the PS3 launches

I'm hoping he is right, hoping but hope is fading.

Either way I am happy with the x360 and can't wait for PD0 and this game, maybe I am obsessed with graphics, if I am is is sony's fault with all their bullshit marketing pumping up the PS3 to the impossible and me expecting the X360 to rise to the challenge and match what is not acheiveable by either consoles.

I have been playing PD on N64 emulation a lot recently, and I ask why am I playing this 6 year old game, which although the graphics are amzing for the N64 are dated now?

Well the answer is gameplay, I play PD still because it has the best gameplay in a console shooter ever IMO and I still play it 6 years on because of that, not because it has great graphics for it's time (although that was a factor then because with the limitations of the N64 and graphics in general of that time, some games you couldn't see what you were shooting at - TV size pixels (*cough*tomeraider 1 on ps1*cough*)), but because the whole game rocked in AI and gameplay in general.

So why I complain about graphics I'm forgetting that this is a game and I'm ment to play it.

What is 'AF' and 'hdr'?

Hmmm Oblivion will be an alright game but I always knew it wouldnt look the best of the X360 games. Doesn't matter though. Its the gameplay that counts for me with a game like this.

Same here but it pisses me off when devs say that it will be one thing, in this case the 360 version was supposed to be the pc version with graphics turned on high, and it ending up not as they promised.

And then there is M$ who say that 4x AA is free with the edram and it ending up not being the case and lets not even talk about sony!

Why can't people be straight with us? We don't need this shit from them, we make or break them, we are the customers, they should be not selling us a product that is not what they promise it is.

edit - I said def instead of dev, sorry deftech, .

After seeing the 20 mingameplay dvd I was blown away and hoped that this game would be as good as it was in the vid, but the graphics on the 360 version, yes the whole 20 secs, didn't look as good.

My only concern now is if the graphics had to be turned down, what else had to be turned down? Physics, AI? Things that affect the gameplay? Bloody hope not, 'cos that would really suck.

The shadows were disabled at X05, by looking at the gamespot video, perhaps for frame rate purposes may be? I don't know. We need a recent interview with the head dev for this game with the question how will the x360 versio fair....

These look pretty good though;




But then this looks bad;

Yeah well if they are TUNING down the initial graphics and stuff then that is obviously telling everyone that something is not right. I hope all the other games don't do this. DAMN YOU BETHESDA DAMN YOU TO HELL! Lol

I can't tell if you are serious or not.....

Wow those top two renders are awesome but the other two look like SHIT. I pray to god it does not look like that. And I WAS serious Ozy. this is so disappointing

After the 20 min game play on the pc, I was expecting the game of my dreams but now it seems that it was not ment to be.

I don't doubt that the x360 can play this game at it's highest settings but without it been optimised for the x360 I don't know if this game will run with it's highest settings.

In 7 weeks we will know for sure. Until then I'm going to play perect dark on the N64 again.