now i know most of you will be thinking that they are pulling a Kenny K by yelling out fighting words. but from the article they arent downplaying the ps3 or calling it a ps2.5. IMO they are saying things that a lot of us have been saying ever since Kenny first started his verbal assaults. i just thought this article was amusing. they are wrong in that i dont think that sony will have to do anything at all to excite people for the ps3 as they are already excited for it without even knowing anything about it.

this post was just for fun so no huge flaming or insults to anyone.

http://www.oxm.co.uk/articles/news/hardwar...e_shots_at_sony!

Link broken.

sorry

damn it i tried 4 times to put the stupid site on here and it wont work.

http://www.oxm.co.uk/

its at that site in the upper right hand corner, im sure no on can miss J Allards bald head. if anyone else can post the link by all means please, it usually works fine for me but once its posted it doesnt want to work

Nah, that's why at E3, 80% of your shit was CG, 'artists impressions' videos.

That's why we've yet to see a single direct feed video of a finished product.

That's why you're launching in a few weeks with gamers not knowing what is real and what is not...
- will AA be suddenly turned on with the flick of a switch in games?
- will Oblivion flick the switch and suddenly turn on shadows like the big headed developers say and then will the frame rate hold up?
- has the Perfect Dark media been a hoax and it really does look better than a current gen Xbox game or have you spent zillions on a dud company?
- why are EA releasing a hundred launch titles that have shiploads of missing features from their current gen versions, while still being graphically 'crappy'?

MS have rushed this console out, hoping to get the same lead in sales that the PS2 had yet now they seem to be packing shit, hoping the PS3 isn't using this extra time to blow them away, scared that they may be lost in the middle just like the Dreamcast was.

I hear you.

what we got 4 more weeks.... or 2 more to see the kiosk at your local game place it does feel like the most rushed luanch I have ever seen

There are none in the UK.

Gotta be one of the stupidest things i ever read around here.........anyways, not trying to start a flame war or anything, on to more intelligent discussion.......

I personally dont like the shots that MS been taking, though theyre not as bad as Kenny's were but they still seem like bad taste to me. I mean if its looking bad for sony right now, we dont need MS to show us that........ it already shows.

how you come up with this stuff is beyond me. how was 80% of their vids at E3 CGI? they were real time (except a choice few titles) and thats why people werent impressed compared to sony's CGI movies that they were showing. how are you going to see footage of a finished game when none of the games were finished when they were shown. how many times must people like you need to be told that these are launch games that werent built for the 360, so how are they supposed to take advantage of the 360 technology when 80% of their development was used on altered macs? giving out alpha kits over a year ago isnt waiting till the last minute and shit happens in this industry or else im sure they would have had the final dev kits in the devs hands when they wanted to without any delays. again how is it MS's fault that EA can program worth a shit and doesnt care to actually put effort into how their next gen games look?

MS knows that they cant get the same lead as the ps2 because sony had 2 years to gain their lead. they just wanted to be first out the game as they have said from the beginning.

you say MS is rushing this thing out when i say it cant get here fast enough. unlike you i understand the facts of launching a system as i have waited and experienced many of them. and for what MS is pulling off (worldwide launch, final dev kits coming in late, getting more games developed for their console then any other before the system's launch) they are doing it better then any other company can.

i wonder when the system is finally out and we get oblivion and other games in our hands meeting our expectations will people like you come out and say you were wrong? im guessing no, but sure as hell bet that there are others that will remember all those that had nothing better to do then stay on a forum for a console that they say nothing good about.

then people like you spew your "opinion", which is fine, but then it influences people like ozy who one day will say OMG that looked amazing (talking about whatever game) i cant wait to get this system!! and the next day agreeing with rubbish that people like you spit up. its not nice to play with peoples minds.

like i said orginally this post was meant for light fun and not some kind of assanine comments but thanks for changing that. my opinion on their comments is yeah they may not be needed but atleast they are giving their opinion when more is known about the ps3's progress (which isnt much). considering past playstation launches it would be assumed that if sony actually had more of their plans together then they would be showing it all off to try to steal some thunder out of the 360 hype. and again i thought that what they said was what a lot of people here were thinking, IF they were releasing the console in japan in the spring then they should have a lot more info to show and tell about the ps3. if they even had the same amount of content about the ps3 and MS did back at E3 for the 360 then that would be suitable but they dont because they arent as far along as they would like people to believe.

Lol. Oblivion is amazing. It's just the launch games ex oblivion don't seem as next gen as other next gen games were in previous launches, that's all.

I'm going to enjoy PD0. But I wouldn't call it next gen and ground breaking.

WHATEVER MAN! if you would take the time to read the devs comments, they have all promised that they will have rock solid framerates and shadows. if not the games will be pushed back until they are. you have no idea how production works. MS just gave there devs the kits recently. dev kits allow you to add all the effects and optimize your geometry to flow smoothly on the hardware. for example, the past 3 years they have been working on oblivion, but on UBER PROTOTYPE PC/MAC hardware. they get the dev kits and transform that data to xbox 360, takes alot of tweaking. they have very very large staffs. something like realtime shadows can be implemented in a day. at x05 alot of the builds were very old. there not going to compile a new build just for the freaking shadows, they probaly didnt have the dev kits yet. all the title will address the issues needed.

oh yeah xbox and ps3 both run off 3.2 ghz processors. as far as bluray, that size of media really is not needed with a freaking hard drive. it just more expensive to make. ps3 has a slight technical advantage, but nothing that the xbox 360 cant pull off in one way or another. plus its hell of expensive to produce for the ps3. but go ahead and possibly wait till 2007., im playing next gen...next month. you guys need to understand xbox 360 launch titles were rushed not the system. it was built pefectly to supprot next gen, if that wasnt true ps3 spec would be projected to be twice the power of xbox...its not. matter of fact 75% of the current next gen titles are for both systems.

i have to ask though, how many console launches have been in? as for only oblivion being next gen and rest not, thats your opinion when there are far more people who know the technicalities of what is going on the games behind the scenes who would want to prove you wrong.

Ozy, how many launch titles have been ground breaking? If you remember, which I don't believe you do, when halo came out the sony boys were just crying out "RED FACTION, RED FACTION".

Sure you can dumb down the physics, graphics, gameplay, level size, and number of players on screen in PD0 and have it on xbox, but can't you do that with any game? Tell me what you want to see that can not be put on xbox!

Hmmmm... Maybe the physics in Oblivion and the number of players on screen in Kameo. (The Kameo devs were able to put 250 times the number of players on screen when they switched to the 360.)


Also what more do you fucking want from PD0! What would make it "next gen" in your opinion!

http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2184
check the one below the soundtrack

I want answers!

The fact that every game for the console (a first for a console) will be 720p, is ground breaking enough for me.

like brooksie has said you can cut back the graphics, ai, and make the levels smaller in almost every game and have it be played on previous generation consoles but let me ask you this. if you did dumb whatever game down for whatever console would it even be the same game? sure you can use the name and basic art but if you cut half the content out wouldnt you also cut out part of what makes that game great. oblivion wouldnt be the same if half the area was cut out, PGR3 wouldnt make you feel like a grand racer if 300k people couldnt watch you, and Kameo wouldnt be so epic if there were only 20 characters on the screen instead of over 5000. im sorry but by saying that PDZ would be the same if dumbed down on the xbox is like saying that halo scaled down would be the same on the Dreamcast which it wouldnt. everything in a game (from graphics, sound, and gameplay) goes together to bring us the kind of experience only that game can, and if you dumb a game down you take the chance in ruining or altering that experience entirely

congrats cork, you made it.

dont bother replying in my direction because I wont see it

*stab*

Im starting to get heacaches after coming onto these forums, which is enough of a reason on it's own for why I won't be posting here very much at all, especially when the 360 hits.
Some of you can give me your future Xbox 360 gamertags if you please.

Where did the Sony bitches come from?

I have been through the snes launch, N64 and xbox launches. I just mean that the games don't seem to have a big of a gap like we are used to, that's all.

Your right in the fact that I don't know what is going behind the scenes and perhaps that is my problem.




Halo was much bigger and smarted than any N64 game.
Redfaction? Geomod was next gen.

As for PD0, if it was build from the ground up for the x360 then it would be next gen running at 60fps would have had the full 50 players and would look like ninja gaiden cgi.



Who mentioned sony? You think that we have to either worship xbox or worship playstation?
It's called fanboyism and most of us here are not fanboys. You have the odd sony fanboy here, the odd xbox fanboy there but most just have their favorite.

Oh and before you reply to my posts. I'm gone.

I'm coming back a week before the USA launch to ask questions to those who won the every ten minutes contest about the console.

You will have peace for few weeks by which time I shall have calmed down.

See Ya at launch

4 posts and he's off,.... anyway for ozy that won't see or for anyone else that doesn't know,... PDZ was originally going to be on Game Cube then MS bought them,.. so it was gunna be an Xbox game,.. so while they were porting code or whatever they decided to push it off for the 360 release, so they ported again. I don't think that the game engine ever had a 100% re-write for any of the platform changes it went through during developement.

adios ozy hope when you come back your ulcer free and finally have your mind made up about the 360.

as for PZO, let alone any launch game, being built from the ground up for the 360 i dont see how thats possible. for a game to REALLY be built from the ground up for a system they would have to had the final dev kits from the beginning of the development of the game. so IMO even the exclusive games coming out at launch that truethfully be said to be built from the ground up, as in a sense they all ports (either from past generation consoles or from an altered mac dev kit). all this considered though is part of what excites me about the launch and the 360 itself, even those these games look incredible we know its NOTHING compared to whats to come in a year or so. and it is then that i believe that we will see games that look and play beyond our imagination.

Ahahahahahaha!

That was pure gold I tell you!

i think Allard is so funny.

Q: Are you going to have a PS3 with a machine-gun bullet through it?
* Allard: If they ever ship the thing, something might happen to one or two of 'em. Right now it's just shootin' at Web pages.

xbox has been taking shots from sony like crazy. what they say dont seem like they are trying to take hard shots at them. i think its more of joking around. so they are not just sitting back being shot at and doing nothing.

hahaha

im sure deftech would be more then happy giving J Allard a swiss cheese PS3 as long as they are the ones buying the system. hell if im there while its happening ill put a few rounds through the grill as well.

hell yeah!

I also seem to forget that every GR2 vid is 85% CG and 15% game, nope M$ hasnt shown us CG at all

Not to mention that when M$ spews crap, its different than when $ony does it, grow up my little 5 year old xbox fanboys

i think u have to take what both ms and sony say with a pinch of salt more so for sony tho.the point to make about the cgi is that yes ms has shown some cgi,but at least we have some idea of what the games a re gonna be like.sony has shown absolutely nothing in terms of game.1 up to ms at the mo

Then again most of you forget when the PS3 will be launched. Spring 06, no I think it will be more like fall 06. Now with that in mind, its a year from lauch. Now my question is.......What did M$ show us one year ago?

As I recall, nothing.............

whats GR2?

and like i said IMO, its not like they are calling the ps3 weak, ps2.5, or downplaying what they have accomplished so far. but they do have a point, regardless if you agree or not, that for sony to have a spring launch they sure are lacking with firm details. it would be in the same respect if MS had very little to say or show at the past E3, and were still planning on launching this year. if they didnt have much or anything at all to show and tell at this past E3 i would be very worried that they didnt have their plans together. to me there is a big difference between someone downplaying a companies accomplishments when they atleast have something to show for it and someone pointing out how their rival is not as prepared as they would like the public to think.

and for the record if im any kind of fanboy its a sega fanboy to no end

my bad, I meant Ghost Recon 3, not 2

ok i see ur point,but it was sonys choice to announce the ps3 THIS YEAR the only reason they did this was to try and upstage ms.i think congrats sould go to ms,ok so they have come out with the odd bit of pap,but at least from the day of their announcement until now weve been getting at least something to pass judgement on.exactly the opposite from sony the fact that it could be as much as a year away is not relevant,they should have said nothing at all if thats what they have got.

With that train of thought, we should all bash M$ for stating (one year ago might I add) the xbox 360 would have a HD-DVD drive and a standard HDD. Now its only a DVD drive and there is a system without a HDD. As you said, If thats all they had, they shouldnt have said anything at all. Get my drift yet?

In the end it's Sony's big ol foot in their ass and M$ is just watching and smiling.

Hopefully there is a delay so that the more average user who is dead set on ps3 will cave and get an x360 and finally realize what they have been missing out on.

1 year ago i was laying on a beach in thailand not giving 2 shits .I thought the 360 wasnt announced untill this year(march?)fair point about the hdd tho,they shouldve made it standard

Its entirely possible that PS3 won't hit the market till Fall, after all they delayed the PS2 like this as well, but SONY said spring so by their own deadline and the time frame at which we started seeing progress from MS we should be seeing more from them by now. I understand your points but it seems that sony is just trying to take people's mind off of the fact that they have no real fruits to show us of their labor

it wont hit here any earlier than fall '06, here being the US. Sony will not and cannot do a launch that matches MS. They could but the hardware problems would probably be worse than usual. Id like to seem them try, I really and truly would. I think it would be entertaining.

Spring/early summer in japan, fall in US, and 2012 elsewhere like they did with psp

Why doesn't anyone give sony shit about removing the HDD from their system? Strange how every sony fanboy forgets that. People love to hate MS, whenever there is a chance to put them down they will reardless of what they have done in the little amount of time in this gaming arena. They have put out the best online network for gaming on the consoles, and prob PC's but since I don't play PC games I really can't factually state that. Now Sony is going to try and steal some thunder from the launch by anouncing their plans for an online network similar to MS and everyone will cheer that it will rock and be bad ass and all that but XBOX had it for 3yrs now and like a fine wine it gets better with age.
I bought a PS2 for GTA and there were a few games that were great on the system. ICO, Mark of Kri, and a few others that held my interest for a few days but out off all the systems I have hooked up to my TV, (DC, N64, GC, PS2, XBOX) the X gets the most play. Granted each has quality titles such as the N's first party line up of classics like Zelda and Metroid but when I look at my collection of games my XBOX outnumbers the rest by 3 to 1 and I am talking upward of 30 XBOX games. The cross console games are better, there is no competition when it comes to online and they look and generally play better.
MS may have stated somethings early on that they hoped to have in the system but if they would have included them you could easily tack on another benjamin the the price. Sony always creates this illusion of the super console before launch. Emotion Engine anyone? How about Toy Story graphics? Never owned a PS, the system was a piece of crap, plastic parts melting, horrible graphics that were so overly hyped. The Saturn should have kicked the PS's ass but sony is a brand name and people got burned by the 32x. Saturn had far superior games in my opinion, Tekken could not compare to VF and Panzer Dragoon Saga was amazing if you ever got the chance to play it.
Either way Sony has a bad habit of lying to the public but people just accept it and move on, but with MS its a competely different story. Take any game that is on both PS2 and XBOX and compare them side by side and see who comes out on top 9 out of 10 times. Sony just crams a thousand games down your throat hoping one will hit big. I rather have quality over quantity anyday.
By the time the PS3 hits the developers will be used to the tools for the 360 and then we will really see some crazy looking games on the system. Sony wants to add blue ray mainly because they developed the medium. Every system they sell puts a blue ray player in the home and now you buy blue ray movies. they dont care about disc space for games, if this was the case every game they put out for PS2 would have used the full dvd, all 4.5-8.5gigs worth. Most games are half that size if not smaller. So don't say ohh they have Blue Ray they can make bigger and better games, very untrue. GTA LC was less than a gig, only SA filled a dvd in that series.
If you don't like what you see with the 360 then don't buy it. Plain and Simple, but stop with the useless I have eight cores to your three. Let see if they even use three from the get go since this is new for all game devs. When All is said and done it will come down with who puts out the better games and from what 360 shows at launch and for 1st quarter looks pretty damn good. Thats not to say Sony isn't gonna put out some great games but lets wait and see what they bring to the table before everyone crowns them king. But this just my opinion, take it as you will.

^ yeah what he said!

Really, I remember us all giving them shit over the that here, except they never said it would be Standard like M$ did.


I hope you get used to the forums, because it is opposite to what you just said, its more like everyone loves to hate $ony for the dumbest reasons. Here is my favorite, "I hate $ony because I am a SEGA fanboy and $ony killed them"


Well duh, the xbox is more powerful, tell us something that we don't know

well my issue with the lack of a HD in the ps3 and 360 is that people will act like not having a HD in 15% of the 360s will hold back the systems full potential where with none of the ps3 having a HD no one acts like it will be held back at all.

i do see that some people hate sony for killing off sega, but IMO it was sega that killed themselves. and that is coming from a sega fanboy. i hate sony for many many reasons and have disliked them long before sega went 3rd party.

no matter what happens during a console war words will be shot at the rivals, what words you choose to use and the kind of manner that you poke fun or pick the scabs of the competition is what makes the companies different. for comparisons sake of the two companies, sony has been the child throwing mud just to cover up how far behind they really are

Really I still can't believe people are buying this Spring 06 PS3 launch date

Sony's consoles have always released in Spring season in Japan, so I expect the PS3 to launch this Spring in Japan only.
It will then launch in the Fall here in the US as its always been the case.


Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if the Japanese launch is pushed back for the lack of launch titles....

you just repeated what I said earlier. I think maybe you missed it?

I see them launching with their usual lack of titles, it never hurt sony b4, people will buy it regardless. and yet the media and certain members here will hail it as the best launch ever

I think I did, but you bring up a good point.
Sony doesn't need a stellar launch in order to sell well.
I bet the PS3 will sell like hot cakes even if launched with the rubber ducky in the tub demo game edition as it's killer app.

I remember some cat over at 1up defending the PS2 launch title line-up with SSX

hahaha

yeah thats a true sony zombie right there.

"ssx a killer app for ps2 launch"

That would have shocked me years ago but the nonsense is so common now

deftonesmx17, maybe I got the idea about them including a hdd from this
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000333045371/

Eitherway it was directed toward all the sony fans trying to one up the 360 cause of the change in MS's plans. Like most people have pointed out, the current xbox's hdd was barely used by devs so I dont see such a big deal with the two packages if you dont plan on playing live or playing old xbox games might as well and save some money. I peronally wouldn't buy a core system but gives people on a budget an option to pick it up later or wait until a bigger drive is released.
http://joystiq.com/entry/1234000290063864/

Glad to know that people feel the same as I do about Sony around. I do own a psp, but lately its been more for watching movies at work and getting in some revenge of shinobi with the gen emulator

I also know that the xbox blows away the ps2 in power, just pointing out that when the PS2 was being developed they claimed it could do things that it never came close to and I am willing to bet the ps3 follows suit. It will have some great games but it will not change my life to the degree sony thinks it will.

love the sig by the way.

You shouldnt have said that. There are some here that will disagree and say that the ps2 did infact put out games that were as good as, or exceeded the demos.

yeah I know, they are nutso.

Hey, how does that emu run on the PSP?
Hell I'd buy it just to play Revenge of Shinobi and Shinobi 3 on the go.
Those are some of favorite games of all time, man do I miss'em.
I know that they're fast paced action games so I'd be surprised if they ran smoothly on the PSP.