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beltrachi
It is not a question, I only explain my experience to the comunity.

Last week a lightning fell near home and damaged the vcr and the xbox.

The console has no warranty yet, and i can't use the house insurance 'cause it is softmoded and has an external dvd-rom, so it has a hole on the top to let out the power and ide buses.

So I decided to try to repair the psu. My psu is a Delta Electronics Inc. DPSN-96AP-1.
when I saw at the back of the psu card, i could see what happened. The lightning left marks where it passed.

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The damaged parts I could see at first look were 2 of a group of four resistances which had a part burned. And the tester confirmed that. But with the tester i coud see that the fuse (obbiously! biggrin.gif) was fused.

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Parts damaged and changed:

- 2 resistances of 1MOhm
- 1 fuse (T3.15A 250v)

Lukly no other part seems to be damaged, although the lightning trace reaches the diode bridge tongue.gif

It works. I let the console powered on for six hours, and nothing strange happened.

I hope it can be helpfull for someone 'cause i didn't find a lot of help on the net.
If someone don't want to repair it, i found a web to buy a new one: lik-sang.
And it's not the only place. Google can help.
sick_mate_xbox
thanks for that, i got an xbox that had a dead PSU after a lighting strike (that was what i was told) so maybe in the near future i will try out your tutorial and let you know how it goes! thanks! biggrin.gif
karlwmiller
hi just thaught id say that my friend had the same happento his xbox, bugger aint it
FallsInc
and thats why i invest in power filters. i've spent about 100 dollars on 3 of them, and that is a very very small price to pay to protect my nearly $10,000 of computer and electronics equipment. my audio system alone is worth 1300, computer is around 2700 not including moniter, and other shit too.
djmart6914
Insted of doing all of that, why not purchase a good quality UPS or Surge Protector? Good tutorial though, it most likely will never happen to me. Next question is, what exactly did you have your xbox plugged into?
beltrachi
QUOTE(djmart6914 @ Dec 5 2005, 02:31 PM) *

Insted of doing all of that, why not purchase a good quality UPS or Surge Protector? Good tutorial though, it most likely will never happen to me. Next question is, what exactly did you have your xbox plugged into?


You are right. I didn't have a surge protector but i didn't have any problem before. Lightnings are very rare here and most people don't use it. My house insurance would have paid it if it wouldn't be modded. The video casette recorder died too and they paid it.

Anyway, i've bought a filter. tongue.gif
djmart6914
For my computer,monitor, and cable modem, I have them protected with a APC UPS. Which will cover up to $50,000 if the UPS should fail.
kingdead57
Hello. I'm pretty sure after reading through those posts taht my power supply's fuse blew also but not by lightning, why I'm not sure. Though does it matter which kind of parts you would use to repair your power supply? Mine is a Delta Electronics DPSN-96BP. Does that matter at all? But mine blew at what looks like the AC current as you put. Could you help me out, I haven't played my 220 gb soft mod in 7 months, I'm dying here lol.

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beltrachi
Kingdead57, sorry for the time past.

First, I'll try to response:

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does it matter which kind of parts you would use to repair your power supply?


I don't know if I certainly understand it, but if you mean if you can pick any component with near specs, no. I don't recommend it. If you change a resistance of 1Mohm with a tolerance of 2% with one of 10% it can be bad.

Try to find a fuse with the same specs as the one in your board.

I don't understand how you deduce that it is the PSU.

And I think that there is something very strange on your pic.
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What was 4 resistances, in your one, seems like them are short circuited. I supose that it's not been made by you, is it?

To be sure that is the fuse what causes the fail, get a tester. If is it, buy one with the same specs.

Good luck.

You posted more than 2 weeks ago, so I supose that you got your machine repaired anyway.
FallsInc
7 monthes????

damn... just buy a new power supply... its like 20 bucks...
Mr_t883
hey guys,

My house recently had some voltage surges, I unplugged everything at the time but it was too late. From the reading I took the voltage across only dropped below 120 but I gues that may be enough to do damage. anyhow my delta dpsn-96DP looks in need of some love. I have a buddys old xbox (with fried circuit board but good delta board) however his Delta is a dpsn-96AP. I was just going to swap em over however my adapter to the ciruit board was two layers with 16 wires, while his is a single layer with 13 wires, so I can't even use my adapter plug on his board, I was going to butt splice them together but which wires get combined? not sure what I should do or can do.

If could get info on what those extra 3 wires are for a but splice and mickey mouse something there or simply try to repair my board. theres a couple things that look in need of replacement.

Just wondering what the pros think... let me know

I got pics of what I described but was unable to attach them, I guess you gotta have them on the net in order allow veiwing, if you want I email em to you.

Tyler

raceboy404
i have the same issue,
on the top, looka bout 1 inch from the black female port
see the two restiors- one is blown and coverd the other one.
biggrin.gif (i got a xbox from a friend- by my suprise^ and a samsung A DRIVE!!!
Loser_guy
Um, what's wrong when the xbox automicly comes on when it's plugged in?
goleafsgo_21
my ps broke should i get a new one or fix it
Shadowed
in regards to the comment about this pic
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i have an aussie DPSN-96BP-1 and unlike the earlier DPSN-96AP(-1) they use 2 resistors instead of 4 so there is no short circuit.

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hey guys,

My house recently had some voltage surges, I unplugged everything at the time but it was too late. From the reading I took the voltage across only dropped below 120 but I gues that may be enough to do damage. anyhow my delta dpsn-96DP looks in need of some love. I have a buddys old xbox (with fried circuit board but good delta board) however his Delta is a dpsn-96AP. I was just going to swap em over however my adapter to the ciruit board was two layers with 16 wires, while his is a single layer with 13 wires, so I can't even use my adapter plug on his board, I was going to butt splice them together but which wires get combined? not sure what I should do or can do.


the DPSN-96AP is a 1.0-1.1 psu and the DPSN-96DP is a v1.6/1.6B psu it is incompatable as it uses different voltages as the earlier xbox's, just buy a replacement off ebay they're cheap enough
XLR82XTC
QUOTE(djmart6914 @ Dec 5 2005, 06:57 PM) *

For my computer,monitor, and cable modem, I have them protected with a APC UPS. Which will cover up to $50,000 if the UPS should fail.



RFLMAO!!!!!!!!!
1. Does anyone have $50,000 worth of stuff hooked up to one of these? (software does not count)
2. Ever read the fine print? (some companies require you to submit receipts for a claim) all items are replaced at a pro-rated value, not actual replacement costs. Quess what, this is electronics we are talking about after 1 year 50% value after 2 years about 25% 5 years it is considered scrap.
3. Computer, printers and PC speakers are worse most manufacturers are constantly changing specs and you will not get anything for software just the actual computer part. Is there a difference? check out the cost difference at Dell for wordperfct or one with office loaded.

How do I know? I am going through this with a small office( computer, printer, wireless access point etc and a commercial copier on brand A and personal computer with a Tripp lite internet office w/ battery b/u running a computer, printer, modem , pc speakers, router. Guess what the surge went through both! Anything older than 2 years they just about laugh at you. There idea for new is wholesale not retail. At over $100 for the tripp lite it failed, they sent a new unit and may charge me for it as well............... Thank God I have a replacement clause in my homeowners it is worth more than any of the multi outlet products that are supposed to catch surges, but usually just collect dust. mad.gif mad.gif
MjFred
Hi!
Great guide about lightning damage. I have had the same missfortune, my computer gear survived thanx to the protection I had installed. However 1 TV, 1 DVD and the old XBox died. And they are worthless according to the insurance company.

So I have opened the Xbox and are now looking at the PSU, a DPSN-96AP-1.

My first question is if it is normal that there is some white "gue" here and there, sorry can't get the pictures up here now. But the white "gue" is between several components and it looks almost like some thing has cooked and due to the heat there has been an expansion of this "gue" which has spreaded out. Which would of course indicate that the PSU is fried. I have counted to 10 components that has this white "gue". And if this white "gue" is an indication of fried components I guess there is no need to even test/measure the PSU, correct? That is my non-professional guess and I just want to confirm this with you experts. (the bottom of the PSU doesn't have any burn marks like above pictures!!!)

My second question is where can you buy a new PSU if required? Since I'm assuming that this PSU is a goner!

I'm planning to get this old XBox up and running as a 24/7 server for my weather station. So if it possible I would like it to run either linux or windows, suggestions?

Thank you in advance for your answer
Ceekay
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My first question is if it is normal that there is some white "gue" here and there, sorry can't get the pictures up here now. But the white "gue" is between several components and it looks almost like some thing has cooked and due to the heat there has been an expansion of this "gue" which has spreaded out.
No, thats ok. It prevents the components from mechanical vibration which could eventually cause them to get loose.
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where can you buy a new PSU
Ebay. Or other xbox shops that sell replacement parts. I found a good troubleshooter here. If the price is ok, buy it there. I don't know US price, but here they want about 20 to 30 Euro for a new PSU in onlinestores, Ebay is about 9 to 19 for used and new stuff.
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linux or windows, suggestions?
Linux.
Jimmy_N
interesting, thanks for posting this, lets just hope theres no lightning tonight lol
and101
A UPS is good for keeping surges out but it can also be a bad thing if the surge is coming from the computer.

A couple years ago my house had a direct lightning strike. It hit an aerial on my roof which was connected to a radio. The radio was connected to my pc via a serial cable. The lightning came down the aerial wire through the radio and into the computer, it then ran into the UPS which stopped it from going to earth. As it couldnt take a direct route to earth it went the next easiest direction which was down the network cable and into the switch which distributed the surge into every other computer, xbox and satellite unit on the network and from there into every tv, video and dvd player.

The total damage was 6 computers, 3 xboxes (i use them as media players on each tv), 4 tvs, 2 dvd players, a vcr, 2 satellite systems, 150 metres of wiring and 12 lightbulbs. It cost about £10,000 to replace everything which luckly the insurance company paid for. It would have cost a lot more if i didnt rewire the mains cabling and lighting circuits myself.

So remember UPS's are good, but not if you have a direct strike.
johnjon246
Ok, so i am having the same problems as you all. Lightning sturck, Xbox down. My PSU model # is DPSN-96BP.
My XBOX obviously does not turn on at all.
To the people who have delt with this beforre, what kind of trouble shooting have you done to the PSU to determine it was bad? I have mine sitting in front of me, and from just looking at it, it seems fine. I dont see or smell anything burnt. Are there tests i can perform on it with a volt meter to see if there is a fuse burnt? Please help. Thanks.
thcmagus
Ive done a few soft mods for some people and had 2 of them come back after a storm and sure enough there psu's ( i assumed ) were fried. I looked all over but couldnt see any damage nor did I or smell any burned components. Since I was bored I was looking through the old xbox tutorials and I stumbled across this

http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/psu-v10-on-v12.php

I know this isnt the answer for all you people out there but if you have some extra parts give it a shot.. I personally had 3 xboxs sitting around ( one with a botched TSOP ) the other 2 were the lightning ones. By using that tut I was able to take the PSU from the botched TSOP and wire it up to work with the other motherboards. So now I have another xbox smile.gif maybe I can figure out whats wrong with the other psu's and bring another back from the dead.

Hope you guys out there can fix your boxes happy.gif
919
I have followed the tutorial and when I put power to the supply, it blows the fuse. I see no charring or anything else on the supply.
aymen
I am kind of lost here. Not sure if it is a power supply.

My unit will not power when I press the power or eject button. But if I hold either button for a while, it will power with no audio/video and I can hear the HD and fan. Then the eject button lights up green, followed by flashing orange (not red).

The system then powers down for a while then attempts to power on again. Once more, no a/v and it flashes orange.

I know it is not a FRAG, because the Green lights up only the first time, then it flashes Orange.

Any help?
Reaper527
QUOTE(aymen @ Dec 26 2006, 07:47 PM) *

The system then powers down for a while then attempts to power on again. Once more, no a/v and it flashes orange.

I know it is not a FRAG, because the Green lights up only the first time, then it flashes Orange.

Any help?


if there is no a/v cable, the led's will flash green/orange regardless. if you plug the a/v cable into your system, you'll get a more accurate reading of the problem.
xTKMx Caboose
Or you can go to the store and get a power cord that has a safty feature that prevents lightning striks to damage your power suplie that coasts like 5$.
red eye
how do you test the power supply if its working or not?
mine went pop last night when i turned it off. i checked the fuses and they are ok.

so how do you test the psu and the motherboard with out frying yourself?
also would a psu out of a pc work in an xbox?
njmbb8
QUOTE(Loser_guy @ Feb 11 2006, 12:17 AM) *

Um, what's wrong when the xbox automicly comes on when it's plugged in?

that happened to mine what happened is the solder on the power supply broke and is apparently completing the circuit somewher other than where its supposed to when that happened to mine the disk would come out aswell my friend bumped into it and they fell down and completed the circuit and i scared him by saying dude wutd you do and he was about to buy me a new xbox but then i explained i to him that it had already happened and he didnt really do anything bad lol
Matt Devo
Anyone have a good source for the T3.15A, 250V fuse shown in the original post? I can't seem to find anything locally at rat shack or Frys. I can find a fuse with the same specs, but not one I can easily drop in.

TIA
go0phi
Ok! so I had a lightning strike and even though my xbox was connected (alongwith the tv and vcr) to the power through a spike buster, seems like my xbox is down (although the TV and VCR are fine).

My xbox is not turning on, but I dont think the PSU is out. I have the IR mod and I can see the IR mod's blue LED lighted when the power supply is connected, hence I believe the PSU is still good. So what is happening with my xbox - when I press the power button, the green button light turns on and immediately goes off. If I keep the button pressed, then the green light keeps coming on and going off. Sometimes, I think I can hear the fan coming on and going off with the light.

I have not opened the xbox, yet, and was wondering if anyone could give me hints on where to start troubleshooting.

Thanks.
litspliff
GOT A POSER HERE.



last week i had a lightning strike "enter" the house via my living room xbox.

The strike passed through the chassis of the xbox, and onto my ethernet network.



not only did i lose 5 tv's, 2 computers, tons of other shit, and 4 xboxes, but anything connected to a CAT5 cable got the ethernet adapter fried. a reminder for you all that surge protection and UPS (both of which i have on most previously mentioned equipment) are precautions, not failsafe.



well, here's my question.



i'd like to use the pile of random working xbox parts i have left over from the 4 that blew.



i can squeeze a couple more xboxes out of the pile if i can convert the power supplies to work with a previously incompatable version of motherboard.

if anyone has a solid source for output specs on these power supply's, id like to get in touch with you.



i'd use my multimeter, but i don't know how to figure out the voltages on the blown PSU's.



thanks guys.

any help would be much appreciated.



also, quit arguing about stupid sht on informational forums....f'k'n noobs.

northland
does this apply for over voltages my psu is rated 100-127V but some idiot used 220V on it and something burnt.. PSU model..DPSN-96BP..thanks..
mahnuggets
Just wanted to let you guys know, I had the same problem, and I took the easy way out and ordered another one, and it works great.. It's compatible with all versions, incl 1.6, and comes with the converter.

There are a few different ones on ebay right now, check out the item numbers
360075767584
230275791878
330258347396

All pretty close prices, different locations though, so pick one close to ya. If you do get one, the extra mobo power cable that's attached kinda gets in the way when you put the hdd back on, but you can move it out of the way when you mess with it a little bit.

AndaleTheGreat
QUOTE(djmart6914 @ Dec 5 2005, 07:16 AM) *

Insted of doing all of that, why not purchase a good quality UPS or Surge Protector?

It doesn't stop them all. Plus you gotta protect EVERYTHING. My high school put out yearbooks 2 years late cuz right before print we had a lightning issue.
In thru the phoneline (which they didn't need connected cuz they had cable i-net) then across the router and into a laptop that had no wireless but was not even plugged into wall at the time. huh.gif
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