Perfect Dark Zero Pressed Before it Passed Certification -- Posted by XanTium on November 17 13:18 EST
From next-gen.biz:
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In order to guarantee Xbox 360 launch-day availability of flagship title Perfect Dark Zero, Microsoft sent the game to manufacture before it had passed certification.

It was an extraordinary gamble. The game passed certification after the disks had been pressed. If the company had waited for certification to come through before okaying manufacture, Perfect Dark Zero would not have been available at the launch of Xbox 360.
Having ordered replication of the disks, Microsoft and Rare had to cross their fingers for a positive certification. If Microsoft's notoriously strict procedure - which we understand was not eased for PDZ in any way - had failed, the disks would have been trashed and the game would have been late.
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good gamble

yeah, smart thinking M$

sometimes risks have to be taken and i can surely see why this one happened. i think they did the right move, now we will have it on launch day.

Gotta love it !

They planned this for months and still couldn't get it right. I'm less impressed day by day.

no one can plan or predict when a game will be finished. i dont know how you can give a valid opinion or impression on things you know little of. if every day brings more dissapointment your way, why do you post here? maybe you should be posting in a ps3 forum where vaporware and Rendered videos get you excited.

hey guys just to let you know i have family that work in one of the factories that are making 360 games and was told that QC on the first run of games is horrible to say the least that the plan is to let them go out and see what happens and MS is fully aware of the problem but when you set a date for global launch you don't want to be seen as not prepared

This is actually very positive news, i didnt think anybody would find anything negative to say about it but i guess i was wrong

Sorry I think you sir are full of it..

i take this as good news the more rushed the more chance they miss somthing and BINGO exploit. see heres to my fingers crosed

So this is why I haven't been able to find reviews of PDZ yet... well, here's to hoping we'll get them over the weekend.

OK so what am i full of shit about let see if you do a little searching you will see i live in weaverville nc and the factory is called sono press and it my family who actually works one the 360 presses and have to turn in every spindle of games that are pressed to QC for inspecting as you would not want to run a billion scratched disk and they do some high tech scanning crap and are letting disk go that are not up to MS standards as per ms for launch as for me being full of shit i know what I'm talking about it is you who cant Evan think that the big MS would do such a thing but it does and is happening

i was thinking the samething

you should go work in a bull shit factory too. if you didnt realize, everything you just said there was in one big sentence, and since i dont see you as being an educated man... factory work for you

whether or not your telling the truth is pointless. i believe you because you SHOULD have no reason to lie. however the quality check that they are talking about isnt done at the factories where the game is pressed so maybe your friend is BSing you or just mistaken as well. they are talking about game testing, bug checking, glitches and stuff like that. basically they sent a code to be pressed that may have had bugs beyond their approval rating. but since the testing and calibrating worked out, they didnt need to recall all the pressed disks and were able to send them out to shipping.

Well the full of crap is the whole QC standards issue, or one let an employee speak if this is the case rather than 3rd party rumor for one. As for the whole responce well, I guarantee MS has never and would nevr say "well just make em' and throw them out there well see what happens!! whooped de doo!!" They would never in a million years say anything remotely like that come on, "well see what happens" if that doesnt sound like B.S. then I do not know what does. And as for them seeing a problem and saying we cant risk a global launch issue.. Thats retarded in itself ,that is what would cause a launch issue. I know about QC standards and I guarantee each one is being told to be enforced greratly, sure mistakes happen but what your implying is well....impossible. Sorry but come on think about it. And if someone told you this they should e fired as to be honest its defimation of their clients character, and they were contracted to do a job and thats in no way doing that.
Again sure they may have to have employees work overtime, or at a higher pace but I worked for meditec a large scale cd/dvd manufacturing plant for years and trust me there is no way in hell they are throwing caution to the wind and say "we'll see what happens" these machines do the job themselves humans basically look at them and push buttons, the requirements in these factories are a standard accross the board.

I belive you,

i mean come on ppl this is M$ were talking about they don't exactly stand for high quality products (Made In China..)

any chance of this showing up in stores early?

my local toys r us told me they did not order any collectors editions

so it looks like i get $160 worth of accessories because i didn't want to stand in line

MS may mistakes but they are not making the damn disks themselves they are paying a company to do so, the contractors are and they would not risk a billion dollar deal .

I'm not going to argue the issue with you the source is solid having worked there 10 years they prob make more money that the dumb ass posting about factory workers as for me working in the factory if i had to yes i would but trust me bud I'm doing just fine with myself
and live a very very comfortable life

well i wouldn't worry about the disc itself ,but more if all ths stuff on the disc is final.But there can always be live updates

I think you all are arguing about different forms of Quality Control.

Xantium's article is saying that the game code itself passed QC after going to press. MS has very strict rules about structure of game and so forth.

Rony is saying the pressing of the physical discs is pretty shady. This can result in dust in the pressers or scratches on the substrate.

I don't doubt for one minute that MS is telling the pressing companies to allow a certain number of erronious discs into the market. They just don't have time to hardcore scan every one of them (also probably explains why some people have problems with their Kameo discs working on their Pepsi 360's). But at the same time, I'm quite sure that MS's game QC dept. is in overdrive making sure the games themselves work inside and out.

you got it

exactly what i said. two different types of qualifying and checking. but some people are so quick to jump down throats and start accusations.

I'm glad we all agree. Time for some

Fine MS is saying "put them out there well see what happens" Okay you win...

Back on subject as I really dont care to carry this out, I apologize for even responding.

Well if it were only the games, even the xbox360 manufacturing is under pressure, I have several friends working in the Infinion technologies (makes memories) and they are producing memories for the xbox360, 2 months ago every package (hundreds or thousands, not quite sure) of memory was fully tested, now they test 50%, if those 50% work, all the package is shipped, if not all the package is wasted. So you can see that probably many consoles will have problems.

in the end of it all none of this is new with a console launch. i remember with the DC launch i got one of the blue stinger disks that didnt work. nothing will ever be smooth as silk on a launch day of a console.

I agree3 I just get frustrated with all the "hating" on xbox/ MS lately. Tons of threads regarding "this sux or they did this" its like I feel as if I am the only one excited. I feel at least they are getting it out like in a week for everyone, before christmas everyone should be celebrating rather than... Its just with a launch this wide spread the entire world is watching you know, I cant help but believe they are trying to not cut corners too awfully much as the competition and many sites and news groups are just waiting to rip them apart, they have got to feel an enormous amount of pressure to get it right or damn close. And as the manufacturing goes I can see artwork, and manuals, packaging being a minor worry but not the actual coding and distribution of the disks. As not only does that disk have the MS name on it, it has the intellectual propertys name (rare, bizzare creations,bungie,etc." One mishap can end a company look at Tomb Raider Angel of Darkness, that game had reserves and people excited then it ships and OHH MY GOD. Or the famous PS2 demo disk which erased your memory card, or the Madden 2003 that would not even load. Its like MS like them or not they are not totally stupid and with this such a high profile launch I am sure they are taking those mistakes into account. Sure there are errors (human or machine based) but I guarantee they dont want any to pop up. Well anyway. Hopefully all will go smooth.

You're lucky that Blue Stinger didn't work! If you eventually played it, you'd know

Wierd, i was thinking the same thing when i was reading page 1. Also Sonic Adventures didn't work for me when I baught it way back when. Btw I did have blue stinger, what was wrong with it again? I totally forgot. Was it that you couldn't even get past a certian level?

YEAH bluestinger was won of those game.Bought mine at walmart and had to return it but walmart had no more copys . But became one of my fav games for that system

i took the game back to EB and exchanged it for another working copy the next day. i loved the game, other then the swimming parts which were horrible, the game was great IMO. for a launch title i couldnt hope for more



no the game just wouldnt even boot up. and sonic adventure was one of the other games to have bugs as well but my copy was a good one. of the 4 games i got at DC launch blue stinger was the only faulty one, i loved them all. still best launch so far, have the feeling that the 360 one will match or top it even though im getting half the games.

Wait a minute regarding the issues of hurrying up the disks at the plant in NC I thought something was odd this is direct from MS THEMSELVES..Please read:

There are only two plants that can manufacture Xbox 360 discs, both are in China, and so transporting the games from that end of the world to this end has taken time.

you said:
rony2211 Yesterday, 10:06 PM Post #7


"Hey guys just to let you know i have family that work in one of the factories that are making 360 games and was told that QC on the first run of games is horrible to say the least that the plan is to let them go out and see what happens and MS is fully aware of the problem but when you set a date for global launch you don't want to be seen as not prepared"

I said well this sounds like B.S.

you said:

"OK so what am i full of shit about let see if you do a little searching you will see i live in weaverville nc and the factory is called sono press and it my family who actually works one the 360 presses and have to turn in every spindle of games that are pressed to QC for inspecting as you would not want to run a billion scratched disk and they do some high tech scanning crap and are letting disk go that are not up to MS standards as per ms for launch as for me being full of shit i know what I'm talking about it is you who cant Evan think that the big MS would do such a thing but it does and is happening"

So anyways this is why I stay informed I knew that was not possible....



This is from IGN:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/668/668032p1.html

This is straight from MS themselves:


MS has been too quiet about its whereabouts. But the company assured us today on the phone that the game was given a long development cycle -- much like it did with Halo 1. MS told us the game been completed, gold disc pressed, it's gone to manufacturing, and should arrive in the mail tomorrow, Friday, November 18. There are only two plants that can manufacture Xbox 360 discs, both are in China, and so transporting the games from that end of the world to this end has taken time. Perhaps too much time for this bunch of impatient gamers. Kameo: Elements of Power was finished first, and Project Gotham Racing 3 followed. Perfect Dark Zero was the last of the first-party MS Game Studios titles to be completed, and its time has finally come.

So wait I thought the NC place said that they were taking shortcuts and such...strange they DONT EVEN MAKE THEM THERE!!!!

Okay now what were you saying?
And evryone thought he was getting picked on or whatever.... And I said it does not sound correct, well lets see wheres the facts..HMMMMM

So finally this is how rumors get spread by things getting made up or exaggerated and it is far from appropriate. As believe it or not these boards are frequented and when one states something it spreads. Man I knew from the get go tha I had read that the games were not produced in the states... Just needed to find any article to stae it. And before you say websites can be wrong... LOL
umm...cough..cough...owned..cough...cough..

dude like i said i'm not going to argue about it there are games being made there i really don't care if you believe it or not

Yeah your right and MS lied right.
And I too dont need to discuss this any longer but we...I think the above post boes to show how accurate your info was....

Google is your friend dear sir sonopress has factories in china Germany i think in Mexico and most if not all are ms certified game makers but believe what you will
and if you think i'm just raging on ms no i'm not the xbox is the best console on the market and I'm sure 360 will blow it away (and I'm pretty sure my own mother would not lie about what i was told)
wait i just said i was notgoing to argue damn i live with to many women starting to sound just like them lol

Yes but your family does not work in China do they? Also you said they were making the disks in NC. Forget it you are grabbing for straws now.
Plain and simple NO GAMES ae manufacteured in the U.S.period any info you have regarding them saying "just throw them out there we'll see what happens is B.S." plain and simple.
This whole thread was in regard to MS making the decision to "gold" a game before it was certified. And in this specific case only. So lets decifer why?

#1 Rare has had this game in development for ..ohh..well close to 10 YEARS!!!
#2 Without question MS has a large investment in RARE and a even larger investment in the 360. As such they knew a launch title of its calibur was a must.
#3 Without question MS was informed by Rare that the game was thoroughly play tested and complete, and I guarantee many hours upon hours of MSs own play testing took place.
#4 They sent it to gold status before certification only for the fact that they knew it was ready just awaiting approval and what is the worst case scenario they have to trash some disks and reprint if indeed there are issues found, either way at that point it will be delayed.
#5 Obviously they did not just throw it out there as it hasnt even hit retailers yet and it has now been certified.
#6 MS is not a stupid company, like or not the fact is they NEVER or any company of its calibur would just throw something out there to see what happens. The amount of funding that goes into any project of this level is thoroughly thought out and planned, they are not stupid.
#6 MS would never say well see what happens they would say" Heres what we want, heres what we need, can you deliver if not we will buy someone that can plain and simple. Manufacturers beg borrow and steal for contracts of this calibur.

And thats all enough space has been wasted with up rumors.
Personal specualtion is one thing, conctructive opinions another, but rumors based on made up ideas is B.S. sorry this helps noone and is a waste.

man you just cant let it go can you
1 yes games are made in the us
2 yes they are made in nc
3 what do i have to gain from not telling the truth
4 ever heard of a windows os
well just got off the phone to make sure sorry to tell you bud but your just wrong
qc is having a hell of a time with 3 different XBOX360 games and yes this is in the USA lol

is any of this going to make that much of a difference in the end?? no, it was already discussed that the kind of QC that you two are thinking of are totally different then the QC being mentioned in the reports. i highly doubt that we will see any more game problems with this launch then we did with any previous launch.

man i hate to say it but a lot of problems with PGR3 disk just proves my point