Angerwound aka comparing differences betwen full and demo versions ? aka trying to know what ms does to unlock the full content after u have the demo in the hdd ? i don´t like these games, i have a snes for play oldskool games, im just trying to figure things, i hope this thread is not going to be one owned by nazis that don´t let ppl even talk, thanks for ur coments and keep the good work running

The console edits a few bytes of the game and resigns it. You can easily discover this yourself by examining a demo and then purchasing it full and examining. Don't need to have other people purchase it for you.

I'm not being a nazi, but by your post you can tell your just requesting some games so you don't have to pay for them.

JoHnnyTK36:
Take a look at these instructions not mine. Only found them yesterday while checking for something else.
http://cvs.xbox-linux.org/viewcvs.py/xbox-...box?view=markup
Let me know if you get stuck.
Also what distro are you using?

Angerwound:
Will try and install AIM. Currently using msn.

Angerwound my apogizes , it was not my intention what i want to know is after the xbox360 leechs the .xcp file it uncompress it and the current uncompressed file thats inside of the .xcp is it the pirs file ? and if is that way can the xbox write inside of this file ?

Glad to see you back on track of things.

Yes, the xbox grabs the .xcp package from its content provider and places it on its cache partition.
It then has to decided whether or not you should have the full game or not. It checks it's purchase logs for your gamertag.

If you have purchased the game it unpacks the PIRS from th .xcp, edits a few bytes in the header and resigns the entire PIRS file.

If you haven't purchased it. I'd imagine it simply unpacks the PIRS and places it where it needs to be, thus not enabling the full version.

well so xcp is just for avoid ppl from uncompressing the data, what a waste of time and effort i suposse if the console would work with xcp it would be quite slow, well im still searhing for a memory card for do my tests but maybe u already done urs so i will try to ask u ... if u copy ur gamerprofile to the mc dump it, hex edit it and look for your current image, and u replace it with other with the same size or smallest, can u write the mc dump back to the mc and use it ? or does the console have some check for the integrity of the data ?

Profiles are signed just like gamesave data and content. This would alter the signature and not allow it to load.

UPDATE: I'd like to retract my previoius statement about how 360 gamesaves cannot be shared between consoles and profiles...

It seems that if you place a gamesave from an entirely different profile/console on a memcard and copy it to your main profile/hdd it will pop a message on the screen stating, "By copying or moving these items you will become the new owner. You will not be able to earn achievements for gameplay using these items."

So yes, gamesaves are signed to your profile. But it seems if one exists that is signed to another profile, the game will play and accept it. It just will not allow you to unlock achievements based on that profile (since it's not signed to your main profile).

Thanks. I will try this once i get home from school and work. I was running a slax live cd. I am making a dedicated linux machine tonight. I have the newest distro of Dibian downloading and i also have a pci sata card coming so i can also dump and explore the hardrive. I tried doing it last night, but i messed up my drive(somehow i corrupted my 360 profile on my hardrive. I had to reformat it and redownload all my settings. I saved my cod2 and gun saves but it wouldnt let me copy my Pdz saves.)

I also messed up my NTFS drive that was connected to the computer i was trying to dump to. I read on the slax websit that linux dosen't like NTFS.

I will have a in depth guide with pictures up tonight or tommorow on how o mod your memory card and then connect ti to your pc.



Thats awesome. I didn't even think about trying that. I now see why they ask for what profile you want to use to to see the gamesaves.




I might have a extra card (my first prototype) (pics are on the first post i made in this thread) for you. PM me about it if you want it.

Sorry, that line was meant for the people who want to try this, you already have a working setup.

I still believe that a voltage/current limiting resistor would be best for the datalines, 5v on a 3.3v device is trouble in my opinion, the problem there is ofcource the data that is sent back to the computer.
Will try to find a resistor value that works as soon as i have some time.

What kind of linux should i install for FATX support?

I found no probelm with 5 volts on 3.3 so far, but it might be a monster in the closet for later.

I will add a guide to get fatx working to once i get that figured out.

If you get the resistor value working i will add it to a guide i am going to post tonight.

Hey, it'd be cool if someone could make a tutorial on what you need to hook the MU up to USB.
I'll try to check for some shit to make connectors for the MU's. A SD card would be perfect for a connector, as it'd fit inside the MU perfectly with some cutting (but sacrificing the SD card unfortunately).
Off to do some research tomorrow, but now I'll go to sleep, 2,5 hours of sleep last night

I use Slackware 10.2 it doesn't seem to have any probs mounting my ntfs partitions. I also have ext3/ext2 software on my win xp machine to read the linux partitions in windows. Speeds up things a lot.

Also I saw you are having problems copying your PDZ save to your memory card? I had that same issue aswell there's a article on ms kb about that there answer is just try again

Finally I was tempted to modify a knoppix/slackware live cd and add fatx support might do it sometime if I get a chance, do you think it would be usefull?

That ext3/ext2 software looks interresting i might have to google it.

Yes i think that would be usefull, that way people could just pop a disk into the drive and access their xbox hardrive when they connect it to the pc.

I just reformatted my hardrive and lost the PDz save. I will beat it again. Wasen't to hard to do it. I need to get better at the game anyway.

I am making a tutorial. I have all the pictures taken and the whole tutorial written out (Wrote it at school). I just have to type it up. So look for it late tonight or early tommorow. It will be a guide for making the memory card to usb cable and a guide of how to get it working in windows.

That is a good idea. Make it where a Sd card sticks out of the back of the memory unit and you could just plug it into a sd card reader. I would try it but i have already put down $120 on memory cards.

The best way would be no mods to the card itself but a adapter made out of the connector inside teh xbox 360. we will have to wait till there are alot of broken 360s on the market for sell i think to get alot of them

To make a linux live cd with fatx is definily a must have and a thing that a lot of ppl as me would use, so if some1 can do it , no doubt about it or even posting a tutorial about how to make urown live cd from cero or even other tutorial about how to add fatx support to X linux distrib, anyways im planing to make custom connectors for the hard drive and for the memory card this weekend, i think a have 2 good ideas for the connectors, but im having big trouble finding a memory cardn where i live, so i will check tomorrow again for it to have my own fun , i will post a tutorial if i have sucess making good and easy connectors ofcourse keep the good work running

So i have done some testing and found that to drop the volage from 5 volts to 3.3 took 20 ohms.

You will need to wire 2 10 ohm resisters togather. You should use 1/2 watt resissters. 1/4th was marginal.

I will add this section to my guide.

OK here is my new adapter and my old one. The new one is on top, and the old one is on bottom.


I'm still working on the guide.

I have started installing linux, so i hope to have all that done by tommrow and get fatx support working.

Sorry guys, I will not be able to get the guide up for a while. I have had some family problems and i just wont have the time for a while, i will still work on the stuff and answer any questions. I just don't have time to compile a guide.

Family goes first ofcourse, no prob

Yesterday i finally got a few minutes and got my memory card to work under windows 2000, I'll take a look at the driver problem as it looks that the m-systems driver isn't the correct one.

After that ill take a look at the winXP driver.

Did someone notice that the space reported for the memory unit is only 62 MB ?, maby the other 2 MB is used for security?!?

I took 33 Ohms for the two resistors (both datalines) , due to the small current it doesn't have to be 20 or 33 Ohms exactly as long as a resistor is placed, but these value's are tested and so preferred, any higher resistor could give read errors or unable to connect.

For the regulator i took a LM 1084 3.3(Take note of the 3.3 notation, otherwise you will have a variable version) , this is a standard fixed 3.3v voltage regulator, as long as it is atleast 500ma it sould work(i'm using a 5A version because i had one lying around )

Can anyone tell me an easy linux version to install on my pc that will work with FATX?

Is there someone that can host a guide?

maximilian0017: The other two Mb is for a System partition.
I am currently using Slackware 10.2
There is a guide to getting fatx working a couple of posts above.
I am in the process of getting a live linux cd working with 360 FATX support.

Hope that helps.

Is there a way to get to that 2 MB?, havent seen a second raw partition on the MU

The live cd would be great, but i would really like an easy way to install it too, i already have another project going and need linux for that too.

Lets see if i get some time tonight to do something

How to build an usb connector on your X360 Memory unit guide V1.0
(the quick and dirty way and on your own risk!!!!!)

Tools
1. Wire cutters (small)
2. Multimeter
3. Small soldering Iron
4. Small Dril (Dremel)

Materials
1. Usb cable (not to thick)
2. Voltage regulator LM 1084 3.3 (fixed 3.3Volts!!!!!!!)
3. 2X resistor 33 Ohms (1/8 watt or bigger)(almost every 33 Ohms resistor will do)
4. Shrink tube
5. Very small box

If you have evenything needed you will be up and running within 15 minutes

Lest build it!!
1. Take the usb cable and remove the unwanted side so that you end up with an Male A connector and a piece of wire (leave it up to you how long you want to make the cable)

2. Cut the cable in half again and strip the three ends, put a little solder on the twelve wires so they will solder a lot easyer while working with delicate electronics

3. Find out the pinout of the cable using the multimeter and this site(USB)
The fun about this is that certain manufacturers change the colors of the cables so this is very important!!!!, write it down on a piece of paper and recheck!!

4. Take the two pieces of cable and solder the two wires for Data+ using one of the resistors, and then the same for Data-(dont forget the shrink tube)

5. The legs of the voltage regulator are very long, leave about 5 milimeters per pin and cut the rest off.

6. Solder both ground wires to the ground terminal on the voltage regulator (dont forget the shrink tube)
(Picture )

7. Solder the 5vdc wire (the one with the USB connector) to the input pin of the voltage regulator(dont forget the shrink tube)

8. Solder the last wire (our new 3.3Volt Wire) to the output pin of the voltage regulator(dont forget the shrink tube)

9. Mount the voltage regulator in the little box with some kind of cable restriction.

10. While making sure you dont cause any short circuit, connect the cable to your usb connector on your pc and mesure the voltage on the ground and the new 3.3v wire, this should read about 3.3volts(otherwise take it apart and start again)

10. Open up the memory unit without any sharp tools , make sure not to put any stress on the grey connector as it breaks of quite easy. (goes easyer if you first remove the little metal plate)

11. Make a hole in the plastic cover to guide your wires through, after that solder the wires the following way to the connector pins on the inside(ofcourse leaving the little board intact and connected)
From top to bottom with the xbox360 standing up
Connector - Wire

Pin 1 - Ground
Pin 2 - Data+
Pin 3 - Data-
Pin 4 - 3.3Volt

12. Close up the memory unit and test, Windows should recognise two new devices it doesn't have drivers for, maby i'll write another little guide for that soon.

Done!!!

Thanks goes out to all the people who helped gathering with the info
Crb0621 for starting the topic
Rustmonkey for the mesurements
Lukecalypso, Willpower101, JoHnnyTK36, etc etc for testing

Feel free to add pictures etc and repost as long as the guide keeps readable and correct

Great job on that guide.

Here is my guide.

Here is a like to download it, it is 22mb and in MS word format. Once i resize the images i will post it here.

http://savefile.com/files/5039022

Some very nice work has already been done in this thread. Do you guys know of the existence of the free60 wiki? You should post the info about the savegames there. As much verified info as possible should be gathered at 1 point. Also a lot of info is already there, could be interesting for you as well.

http://www.free60.org

Thats a good idea, if i have the time i'll take a look.

I'm working on a driver to easely install the memorycard on win2000, it will mount the drive as a volume when i'm done(with remove usb device support), maby someone else can make support for FATX under Win2K

When this works i'll build a driver for XP.

The driver reported earlyer doesn't seem to be connected to the memory unit, it looks like their driver just has the same id's as the memcard

Special drivers are not required. Generic USB Storage Disk drivers work just fine.

I Know, just want drivers that install without all the hassle and forcing, gives people with less experience also the posibility of easy install.(and w2k finds less that XP)

I've got the first dumps already, no problem there.

Only that system partition as Rymez calls it is giving me a worries, does anyone have any info on that?, what does Linux say?

maximilian0017: System partition seems to actually be 8Mb. Do you want the offsets and exact byte sizes of the two partitions.
I will also mount these in linux when I get home and see what gets stored where.

Good work on the guide maximilian0017 and JoHnnyTK36

Thank u too for your work maximilian would u make a compete guide with linux access to memory with me?

maximilian0017:
You can dump the partitions in linux with these commands.

To dump the 8Mb system partition which seems to contain Cache data and the name.txt (Memory Unit friendly name)

dd if=./sectordump4.bin of=SystemPart.dd count=8384512 bs=1

To dump the main partition
dd if=./sectordump4.bin of=MainPart.dd skip=8384512 bs=1

Then to mount them if you have FATX support

mount SystemPart.dd /mnt/xbox -t fatx -o loop

Hope that helps

There are three things i would like to add to my guide, and i'm to late to edit
1. Connect the memory unit to one device at a time, Xbox or PC, even if you turn one of them off it would probably damage both of them!!!!!!
2. The cable length i used is 1 meter, 30 cm between the memory unit and the voltage regulator and 70cm between the voltage regulator and the usb connector, but the shorter the better
3. Even with the long cable attached the memory unit works in the Xbox



JoHnnyTK36: have some things i want to talk to you about, i'll send you a message asap

Rymez: how big are these two partitions exactly in bytes?, If i make a dump its size is 65.077.248(62.0625MB) bytes, it should be 67108864 bytes(64MB), so where are the remaining 2031616 bytes???, please confirm

lukecalypso: Sometimes i have to use linux on my work(firewall), but i'm not at all an expert in the field
I' m still hoping that the other people here that know Linux make a version can be easely installed without recompiling kernels etc for FatX support(live cd would be nice but i need linux for more than FatX support, so please an installable version if possible)

After i get the drivers to install automatically under windows i'll take a look at Linux

These are your partition offsets and sizes on the memory unit.

The system partition, (8mbs) simply has a cache folder that is always empty and a 'name.txt'.
This txt file also exists on the second partition where the saves are actually stored.
See below image for structure.

Be gone unknown devices!!!!!

Finally got the driver files to detect everything under 2000 and XP MCE, now i only need some testers

These drivers will mount the different devices so that you can access the memory device, it will still be a raw device, but no manual forcing of drivers is neccesary
It should also work on bigger memory units

Send me a personal message stating your e-mail adres and i will mail it to the first pleople who contact me

Maby someone wants to host them for me?

Ofcource i accept no responsebility if anything goes wrong

Here is the link to the file

Drivers

I just tested this to make sure it worked and i could find no faults in it.

It is very simple, alot simpler than when i first tried to connect the MU to my computer.

Great job maximilian0017.

I know it aint gona work but why not try to load the splinter cell exploit, well I mean the 360 is fully emulating the xbox

LEo-I know it wont work but id be cool

JoHnnyTK36 awesome work on your word tutorial very well done!!!!
maximilian0017 amazing work on the drivers!!!

Maybe post that tut in a new thread so the XSMODS can sticky it and post the drivers/tutorial on in the news

Luckely MS has a standard USB Storage driver, the problem is that it didn't detect the new class used for the X360 Memory Unit.
After modifying the INF file and stripping the unneeded stuff that would accept the new memory unit.

Then i modyfied the INF file for volume management and stripped it

The most difficult one was to make an inf file for the other device i called security device, that one needed a dummy driver so that it would show up under USB devices

Hopefully this will make it a little bit easyer

What's next?

Thats a good idea, the more people who know about it the faster it gets blown open.

I'm in contact with JoHnnyTK36 about both our guides, maby we can find something in the middle that offers all the benefits(easy/safe/cheap/no restrictions)

Any word on that linux live cd with xtaf support?

Hmm, this is getting interesting. Have any of you tried to dd a dump of a MU to a USB memory device and connecting it to a 360? It'd need external power of course, IIRC the MUs run on 3,3v was it? So you'd need to get 5v from some other place, like a USB connector on the 360.

I'd try it without 5v first, wouldn't be amazed if it would work because of the kind of electronics used, and it's less dangerous


But why would you use a memorystick if you already have a x360 memoryunt (besides from it being very small)

i have already tried that. it did not work, atleast with the flashdrive i have. I tried it using the supplied 3.3 volts and 5volts.

It's probably due to the other 3 virtual usb devices(yes 3 others) located on the Memory Unit, or even a checksum/code of sorts(see the bigger harddisk topic), did the xbox "look" for someting?(lock for a short amount of time after you connected the memory stick?)

Kezor:
(No offense ofcourse)
It takes about the same time to make as both the other guides, but they dont have wires that can come loose.
Test/bread-boards have the tendancy to blow up in your face, they are meant to test idea's/proof of concept, a wire that comes loose a little bit/connected wrong and byebye Xbox, you have to check everything before you connect it again.
If you want to try it 1 time it's a good idea, but as you already need to strip and solder once you can solder the rest too and have a permanent sollution.

Why did you use 2x30 ohms for the Vusb?, Johnny already stated that 20ohms total would be enough.

Both of the datalines use 5v, they should have 33 Ohms or so resistors too(see post 123)

You can loose the ground wire, not needed(i have a 1 meter usb cord permanently attached, no extra connectors/wires needed, can copy images from the xbox, unplug, go to pc and plug the usb plug in)

Just for the fun of it ^^
Nah, maybe this could lead us somewhere inside the xbox, making custom gamer pics (except MS would ban us all ) etc.

But for the Xbox to recgonize our memory sticks we'd need to somehow emulate those other USB devices, like that "Xbox Security Method" etc. Maybe we could wire the MU and the usb storage device to a switch, then connect the MU to the Xbox, let it authenticate it and the flip the switch so the 360 sees the USB storage device instead. Good thing that MS uses standards ^^

Would it be possible to isolate the security device on a MU and make a pass through device for a normal USB Flash? I was wondering the same thing about the security device on controllers, but that's kinda unrelated.

just wanted to add my 2 cents into the mix

firstly i'd suggest going maximillian's route, but if you cant source an LM1084, you can use an LM317 with R1=240ohms, R2=390ohms. i did this and it works fine in both the xbox and pc without having to remove any cables.

secondly ive updated maximillians drivers to give winxp x64 support, you can get them here:
http://www.internalreality.com/X360MemoryUnitDriversV1.2.rar

does anyone know if there are any existing windows tools to give filesystem access to the memcard?

Yesssss, we made it to the news on xbox-scene.com, hopefully this will bring in some new blood!!!



On free60 there are people believing that the chip on the MU is a programnable chip from Philips, maby someone with an USB analizer and knowledge of small programmable microcontrollers could do something.

If you want more storage the easyer way would be to place a secondary 64mb chip on the backside of the MU, making it a 128MB device.
This way you could also see if there are safeguards like on the the hd.

Loser:
U R right, the voltage regulator is the best option but not all people have an understanding of electronics, the 317 is a very nice alternative(easy to get), but there are two other resistors to connect making it more difficult for the non electronics guys, if we were to be completely correct we would also need a capacitor.

Far out the easyest would be leaving out the voltage regulator and replacing it with a resistor of 18-22 Ohms and putting two resistors of 33 Ohms in the two datalines, this way the mod would be alot easyer and faster.
(been discussing this with JohnnyTK36 for a while)

And great work on the x64 drivers, together we stand strong!!

I tried all of the tools used for the old XB and they dont work(even after a little modding) if those people would help they could release the sourcecode or modiy it for the MU we would be in business(if it werent for those strange packages used )

First there is a tool in the works to allow you to access the memory via windows. Stayed tunned, it should be out not vey long from now.

I have already tried putting another card on the back of the memory card. So far it didnt work, but i think some of my solder joints weren't that good. I need to try and do some more experiments with it.

So has anyone confirmed that the 360 MU uses the big-endian FATX FS yet? Also, did anyone ever figure out the FS for the original XB memory units? I have a pendrive I use as my MU for the original XB, and I thought it might be cool if I could rip my original XB saves off it and dump it to the 360's MU or HDD. I'm not quite ready to mod my original XB yet (and, also, my brother borrowed it).

The tool Johnny speaks of is Xplorer 360. It will be a filesystem explorer that will allow you to extract/delete/add profiles and saves to the memory unit itself. See www.360GameSaves.com for more info.