Yea 45 CFM at what dBA? 50? I'm looking for something that has good airflow and is quiet!



Yes I know that. 60mm fans are too small.

I've been building PC for years but I am very much a newbie on the XBOX scene so I don't what to start a war here but the source of my noise are the fans. I just confirmed this by simply sticking two cable ties in the back fan holes before the unit was powered after it was on I took them out and the are horrible. I've been building media center PC's for a year now and pride myself on trying to make them quieter and quieter with each one I build. Anyway I'm only using my 360 as media center extender and hope to start selling units and configuring them to be extenders so a lot of these with be in bedrooms. But the fans are way too loud so I read this entire post along with this: http://www.xboxchopshop.com/catalog/man_360_ledfans.php It seems very straight forward I've spliced many a fan I just want to make sure I don't fry the fan connector on the motherboard of my $300 MCE extender. So I guess my question is the information on xboxshop correct. Simply cut and red to red & black to black, red to brown & black to blue?

yeah, my question too, would love to put led fans in my modded 360 and quiten down my other, but i've heard of blowing something on the fan connector... will putting led fans in and wiring them to the connector work, and will the system speed up the fan and slow it down as needed?

Yes it will work just fine.

-xboxexpert

Hey guys,

I am all new to this xbox scene but I am already tired of the noise so I wanted to do something about it. I bought 2 12v. Silenx Ixtrema 16DBA fans a couple of days ago. Tonight was the night that I wanted to do the replacement. I opened my xbox and removed the stockfans. No problem. I did the cutting of the wires and rewired the new fans with 2 of the 3 wires. They are running but it seems they are running at a much lower speed. And they are not spinning up when needed which means that after 3 minutes of playing a game it shuts of. So my question to you experts are.... Did I do anything wrong?? I followed the guide from Aweirdguys tutorial which seemed pretty easy.

How do I get them to run as the original fans?? And if I dont, how should I connect them correctly to 12V?? I have read some of the threads and it seems that running power of the DVD is not the best way to do this.. Can anybody confirm this??

Thanks for your great help.

Jeppe

WARNING NEVER USE THE 12V FROM THE DVD.........IT DRAWS EXTRA CURRENT, NOISY CURRENT, WHICH OVER TIME DEGRADES THE CIRCUITRY OF TEH DVDROM DRIVE.........USE THE 12V FRM THE UNDERSIDE OF TE MOBO OF THE POWER CONNECTER


YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!

can you post a picture? or how do i find this 12 volt source underneath the power connector?

Ok, i get the tutorial. Except when it come to soldering the single wire to the 12v source.

If i solder a wire to that pin on the connector (let me get this right.. the top left pin shown in the diagram?) ... then how on earth does the dvd power cable fit back into place??? I fear i have fried my fans power plug source, i don't know how this happened and this looks like my only way around it to get the fans working again.

If anyone could show a before but mainly an AFTER pic i'd be real grateful. Also, you said about the fan being alternatively wired to the dvd power WIRE. How do i do this, i'm not familiar with wiring. Will i need to cut the wire.. sounds dangerous messing with the dvd power source. Alternatively, where are these usb points i can solder to?

One last question, only the fan closest to the POWER CORD has stopped for me, if i want to just rewire that single fan, what colour wire is it i would need to solder to the dvds power pin? Can i leave the others plugged into the original fan plug. Will i need to earth anything if i do just the single fan. Thanks, especially to anyone who can give me more detail

Everyone needs to chill out and check the spots on the mother board for front cooling. If there is a way to do front cooling, you can suck air in and blow it out the back. This will greatly improve cooling issues, not to mention why doesn't someone just install a limiter on the amount of current the fan gets? Think guys. Don't just read and except.

Okay to inform everyone, the fans are 70mmx70mm. The stock fans output is alot more than commonly found 70mm fans.

How to use a external PS ? (sorry about my english)

So where exactly should I connect my fan. I have one regular size blue LED fan. Currently it's spliced into the red and blue wire on the regular xbox fans. I took one wire from each fan. Will this single fan blow the componet on the MOBO? Where is this +12v source on the mobo?

What do you guys think of these fans?

They look good to me, I was thinking of changing the stock fans with those, and adding this one for the CPU heatsink.

Would it be enough to plug them like the stock ones (5v). 58% more efficient and 7% less noisy seems good to me! Would the "venting holes" be enough to let all this hot air out or would it be better to cut the case and put some other more "openned" grid ?

btw, here are the "specs" of the stock fans vs these (for those who don't want to look at the links )

Talismoon Whisper - Stock Fan
DC Power: 12V (at 5v) - 12V (at 5v)
Current: 160mA - 250mA
Fan Speed: 4100RPM - 4600RPM
Air flow: 46CFM - 29CFM
Noise: 38d ( B )a - 41d ( B )a

there the whisper fans
great choice
i running them in 12 volt
by some where else for 20-25 $

llamma.com is a good site

Thanks for the site!
How could I forget about llama!!!

They don't have the XCM CPU fan, what would be the best choice for the CPU HeatSink? 60mm? 80??

60x60x15 is the best
goes right to the cpu
look at my tread towrads the end when i put the pictures of the cpu fan

Pretty nice! Thanks.

What do you think about this fan :

From what they say, it will help push air in both the CPU and GPU heatsinks.. would'nt it be better (since there is no way to put a fan for the GPU with the DVD on top of it)?

What about using power from the DVD. Is it "safe", can this "harm" the dvd by not giving it enough power or something?

What about your 360. How is it running so far? any problems, anything you would do differently? Pretty neat mod!

Don't user power from the DVD. People have messed it up.

Thanks, did'nt know that!

This fan is supposed to be "connected" to the dvd power from what they say.. so I guess it takes it off from the list.. what about the idea behind it? To blow air on the board so it goes into the cpu and gpu.. any good or just something that sound good but is not?

I just did the mod, only thing was I didn't actually cut the fan wires and join it over to a 12V point, instead I soldered a piece of wire across the mosfet (or was it a transistor) controlling the voltage to the fans... shorted the centre and rightmost side pin (when viewed with legs pointing downwards) Xbox runs alot cooler now...

I'm using my orignal fans at 12v and noticed that my console is now vibrating


Someone else experienced that?

Ok, I'm going to set a few things straight here, as far as what's true what's false, what parts to use, and how to go about it.

I've had my 360 since launch and have been doing pretty much nothing but fan mods because it gets extremely hot around here.

Number 1: If you draw too much current from the STOCK fan plug, the circuit will PERMANENTLY blow and you'll have to rewire the fan. DON'T DO IT! I don't know how much current it can handle, but 2 fans per side will blow it.

Number 2: The DVD drive wire is only suitable for small current draws. A handful of LEDs or a single fan WILL NOT cause any significant damage. I've been running mine with 15 LEDs and a 60mm fan for 2 years without a flaw!

Number 3: For the rear fans, either use aftermarket remakes such as Talismoons. If you prefer to do it yourself, use 60mm x 25mm fans. A suggested fan is at the bottom. For the front fan, a 55mm x 10mm is suggested. Anything wider than 10mm may hit the caps.

Number 4: You can draw as much current as you want from the bottom rear 12 source. This is the suggested spot for fans and LEDs as it can't be overdrawn and has circuit protection.

Number 5: Doing the 12v mod most likely will cause your console to be extremely loud, and possibly vibrate. Either use dampening cloth under and around the fans, get over it, or buy aftermarket fans. It's just something that comes with the extreme fan speeds.

If anyone has any questions I will try to answer them as soon as possible.

Fan Suggestions:

60mm x 25mm Back
Newegg VANTEC SF6025L 60mm Case Fan

60mm x 10mm CPU Front
Newegg Link Depot FAN-5015-B 50mm Case Fan

that 60x25mm fan is only 12CFM
i can fart with more force than that.
12cfm your really serious?

12cfm isnt going to get you anywhere.
you really want to cool the 360 properly then turn the fans around so they blow cool air in.
then take something, tape to test, and go around the edge of the heatsink and fan shroud/tube. this guarentees that all air is being sucked or blown, if you turned the fans around, directly thru the heatsink. im talking both cpu and gpu.

basically use or whatever to tape over any gap.

you can also use a thin sheet of plastic or something to cover the GPU heatsink, this will guarentee that all heat coming off the heatsink is pulled directly away from the heatsink.
stop and think for a minute. look at all the ati cards heatsinks.... did they simplu have the heatsink exposed and have the fan sitting there only sucking are away from the edge of the heatsink??
NO they completely covered the heatsink, and left the opposite end open. why ?
cuz this forces all heat out the exhaust.
do you see ATI cards bricking left and right ? no....

lets be honest here, the heat being drawn (or blown) over the gpu is piss poor.
have you ever touched the heatsink after its ran for a while,,, WOW, its no wonder xbox's are bricking.
that s far FAR from safe.

what you can also do is completely remove the side "mesh" of the motherboard cage.
that mesh doesnt have small enough holes to piss thru, alternately you can simply cut away a portion of it.
this will increase the air flow into the 360, or out of if you turned the fans around.

try it out

If you turn the fans around surely you are going to have to add a fan to get the heat out with sufficient speed?

Agreed - with respect to the poster, he clearly doesn't appreciate that you will get equal airflow over a component whether you push or pull it ...

By pushing it - all you are doing is filling your 360 with nice hot air - great idea ... not.

This sounds reasonable, you got a pic?

I LOVE THIS
WHATS REALLY FUNNY IS THAT IF THE FANS ALWAYS RAN AT 12 VOLTS FACTORY
PEOPLE WOULD BE TRYING TO MOD THEM TO RUN AT 12V ONLY WHEN NEEDED TO QUIET THE SYSTEM


LOL

I CAN TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE.. YOU DONT NEED TO MOD TO 12 VOLT UNLESS YOU ARE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH HEAT ISSUES

Could I mod a third fan off of these wires? Safely? I was going to put an aluminum fan on the CPU heatsink for colling, can I just splice it off of the 4pin wires of the stock fans, if so which one or should i just use both?

Answered in your thread. Don't power anything from the stock fans connector except the stock fans. Use a power source other than the DVD connnector as well, there are alternate power sources shown in the Pinned: Tuts/Guides section.

PICSSS PLEASEEE

I have some 26 Gauge Wire here, Is it good enough to wire the 2 cables to a 12v?

Shorting the C-E of the Transistor should really only be done for temporary testing puropses, not a permanant solution, unless the Transistor is completely removed. If ya can't find the Center and Right side legs of the Transistors in question (Q3A2 Top, Q3M1 Bottom) ya probably shouldn't be soldering them then.


Yes using a 26awg wire will be fine.

"the bottom rear 12 source"

maybe I'm retarded but I don't automatically know where that is. I noticed somebody else was confused with the 12v DVD refrence, thinking it solder directly to the port, instead of splicing the dvd cable itself...that is what we're supposed to do right? Which color do I cut on the DVD wire? Regarding board resouorces, I guess I'll check out the pinned again for pics

ok this worked for me, I cut some plastic off the wire that was corrosponding to the pin listed in the original post, then grabbed a spare wire, and ran it to the cpu fans brown power. I'm only doing one fan as I suspect noise maybe an issue. I also didn't cut the brown wire, rather forced the pin out with a tiny screw driver, then electrical taped everything...just in case I want to revert later.

something zilli0n said a few pages back had me worried. about removing the fan shroud to make the fans run faster? was that sarcastic? the only reason the fans are running faster is because the cpu is frying! without the shroud air isn't getting drawn through the heatsink at all. Also i'm not expert but i think sealing the shroud around the heatsinks so air only gets drawn through the front of the heatsink instead of leaking in at the back and going straight out of the xbox would be more beneficial than a 12v mod? or even better seal the shroud AND have the fans running at 12v. Also one more thing intrigues me is whether or not we can change the transistor or the output from the temperature sensor so show a higher reading all the time so the fans always run one notch higher than stock. that way we have better cooling but also the added benefit of the fans being quiet when the system is idle e.g when watching dvds.

^^^^ this guys on the right track

So I was getting the flash firmware mod and the guy that was doing it for me offered to do this 12v fan mod and told me it was useful in keeping the system from overheating. This didn't sound bad at all so I agreed in letting him do it. Now I regret this SO much. I mean, it serves its purpose in keeping the system cool but I didn't know it was gonna sound like if I had a jet engine inside my system. I live in a 3 story house and you can hear the 360 throughout the entire house. It's crazy.

**What I needed to know is if this mod is reversible in getting my system back to its original state, or maybe just getting one fan back to normal and keeping the other at 12v, or did all the soldering make this impossible and I'm now stuck with a hairdryer gaming console?**

Just pulled my motherboard out and soldered a ground and a power wire to the psu points and ran them up to where I tied 2 hot fan wires and 2 ground fan wires and my xcm fan is screaming fast and isnt even really that loud.But even if it was I wouldnt really give a shit as long as I never see the lcd temp screen get in the 80 degree range anymore. Waiting on my heatsink 3rd fan anxously.

Ok! Need some help I got some stuff off eBay real cheap, and need littlie giddiness on hooking it up to my Xbox 360 so they all work properly.


1. BLASTER 360 - which I plan on hooking up the whey the said to in there instruction.

2. XCM FAN LCD KIT - which is hooked and powered by the DVD Drive cable would like a break down on the wires and which ones to take out of the harness. So I can solder them under the PSU or front fan spot.

3. Chomelnone Case - same here can I just solder it to any, “I think its 5v correct me if Im wrong” please. Or dos it need to go through the board it came with not sure if there is a capsiter on it.

here's a link for 12v source in a bottom of the mobo. made by DaniloMQ
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/lofiversion/i...hp/t600414.html

OK I'm back to answer a few questions and whatnot. First off here's some more suggested fans that move more air, but are considerably louder. Running these at 7v will greatly reduce the noise and still cool effecitently. The most effecient setup IS having two fans in the back, sucking air OUT, and one in front of the CPU sucking in cold air. Both fans listed below are barly louder than the stock fans if run at 7v.

I will soon post a small tut regarding a fan speed limiter.

70mm Rear Fans

60mm CPU Fan

Ok! thanks for the link ! I read the 12V stuff new issue is.



1. XCM fan kit has 4 wires coming out of the unit, 1 red 1 yellow 2 blacks. Now I think the 2 blacks are grounds and the red and yellow are powers. So I was think of just making clips for the wires, and pluging then in to power for the old fan plug ? IS THIS RIGHT OR AM I WRONG ABOUT THE WIRES?

Do's any one know or have a brake down on what is the power, and that are the grounds in the old fan plug on the MB ?


2. The XCM chameleon 2. Wires off this unite 1.red 1.black is this unite 5V or 12v ?

OK here's a few more collaborated tips that help cooling, ect.

1. Place a strip of clear packing tape over the top of the CPU heatsink fins, but not down the sides. This keeps air that the front fan blows in from being blown out the top of the heatsink and staying in the case.

2. It's highly suggested that you DO NOT run anything aside from a few LEDS from the DVD 12v source. Instead use the 12v, or 5v from any of the other spots shown in this link. Other Sources of Power

3. Below is a schematic for a fan controller. This allows you to manually set the speed of your fans based on Xbox activity, air temp, ect..


LM317T Voltage regulator
R1: 1K Ohm Resistor
R2: 10K Ohm Rheostat
C1: 100nF Ceramic Capacitor
C2: 1uF Polarized Aluminum or Tantalum Capacitor
IC Heatsink
PCB board

1. Construct the circuit as above. Remember, take note of the LM317T, the middle pin from the picture above is the first pin of the IC, so don�t mix up them.

2. Place a heat sink for the LM317T, because it will generate a lot of heat. More heat will be produce if your fan is running at lower speed, because less voltage will be needed by the fan, therefore the extra voltage will be wasted in heat form. Remember use some thermal paste to max the conduction between them.

3. Input connects to power supply, 12v DC voltage. Output connects to fan. (red or yellow wires are positive, black wire is negative)



On that, XCM fan kit, the black wires are grounds and the yellow and red are each a lead to the fans. So you're right about the wires. My first picture on the 1st page of this topic shows/tells which wire on the origional plug was power and which was ground. The black and blue wires are ground, and the red and brown wires are power.

That's some cool work you got there ! Ok so i got the fan wires right thanks for clearing that up for me.


Do you know if the case is 5v or 12v. I would just put power to it but, do not want to fry it trying to see if its 5v or 12v. I have sent the people that mad it a e-mail about the power and wiring but know reply.

Dude I’m a retarded Don't know how I missed that at the beginning of this thread



Is there a way to make it work with out this problem. got this from your frist post "You will also lose the auto-adjusting functionality of the fans" not sure if you are talking about the XCM fan kit or not.

The XCM fan kit and the Talismoons both still have the auto-adjusting function. The only time you lose that function is if you power the fans from anywhere else on the motherboard. Since the XCM kit draws it's power from the stock fan plug, they will still adjust depending on the 360's temp and activity. Just make sure you wire them so that only one fan draws power from the red wire, and the other from the brown wire.

COOL


TO:Gokussj5okazu

Just like to say thanks for all your HELP!!!! I know asked about a lot of stupid stuff on this topic, and thanks for not getting rude or pissy about it like other people I have asked.




P.S. The XCM high speed cooler fan kit draws its power from DVD drive power cable on the motherboard. the 4 wire red,yellow,blacks, are wired in to it. Not like the talismoon fan http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/cra...lismoonfans.jpg plug looks like this best pic i could find http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/cra...y/xcmfankit.jpg would this make any differnts on how you said hook it up or not.

No problem, at all. No questions are stupid, just some are ill asked.

Sorry for the confusion about the XCM, I confused myself. lol Since it was designed to hook up to the DVD drive power cable, I'd go ahead and use it that way. The XCM cooler measures the temp of the CPU and GPU and adjusts fan speed acordingly, so you don't lose that function. I'd say it's safe to run off the DVD drive, but if you don't feel comfortable with that you could fire it another way. I would need a pinout of the XCM cooler's plug to tell you how to do that though since I don't know which wire needs to go where, so I'd say just hook it up like it's intended, everything should go just fine.

Ok! Cool just give me some time need to take my xbox 360 a part, would like to do it a better way then the DVD power cable so once i get it out i,ll post some pic's for you soon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/cra...gy/DSCF0047.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/cra...gy/DSCF0044.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/cra...gy/DSCF0050.jpg

Going by my pic's. So if look at it clip end wires go lik this. First row---is all blacks but last hole is empty.
Second row---2 yellow 1 black 2 red 1 black 1 black 1 empty. Hop this is what you need.


Also comeing out of the cable is 1 yellow 1 red 2 blacks that go to the fan.