Feel free to vote/discuss.

I say Blue-Ray it seems to have a future

With MS backing HD-DVD, how could it lose? They are basically paying companies to side with them. They have enough money for the HD-DVD to win against the Blu-ray. I don't think either will lose because, with this new format we won't have to have multiple dvd movies. All the special features can fit on one disk as well as future games.

I saw both at CES they both seemed promising but I think blueray will win

I don't know the exact specs on the 2 types. But I think that HDDVD will win. 1 Because of its name. It is easy for the public to familiarize with. The name says it all HDDVD. Where as Bluray people might not understand what it is and therefore not have an intrest in it. 2 Like stated before it has M$ backing it. Now if Bluray holds alot more data or is alot cheaper to produce, I could see why it might be the winner. We will just have to wait and see... The way I see it. It doesn't really matter because the 360 could support either, since it would be an external drive.

hddvd is cheaper players and media. Although bluray is "better" but that extra storage isnt necessarily needed for most media.

i think both will fail in terms of movie usage, but one of the 2 could possibly take over for pc storage/backup eventually

the first strike against both is that many houses either just bought dvd players within the last 2 years or dont even have dvd yet and would therefore not see a need to 'upgrade' again already

next, blue-ray will be digital connection only, this outs all people without newer tvs supporting dvi or hdmi

many of the old classics just recently were "remastered" for dvd and added extras that their vhs counterparts didn't have, are companies really going to want to try and upgrade even further?
you aren't going to see movies from the 50's in 1080p and 7.1 surround sound

the one thing that could help either of the formats is that the ps3 will come with blueray, if the support is good from the start, it may have a similar effect as the ps2 did with dvd player support, many of the first ps2's were bought as a cheap dvd player that just happened to beable to play games, something similar could happen with the ps3 as blueray players will be >$500 for awhile and the ps3 at launch will probably be in the 350-500 range due to the blue ray, or $300 at lowest. this would make a significant reason to buy a ps3 when you compare the costs to a stand alone player

hd-dvd stands a decent chance in the computer market, but probably not the movie market.
for people that want to be on top of all hightech gadgetry, hd-dvd doesn't provide enough of an upgrade over standard dvds


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forgot to mention, probably for awhile, the most you'll see of blue-ray will be similar to the sales of the psp video, possibly less as it wont be a 'portable' video type for several years when the technology is good enough to make smaller devices

I am totally for M$ and HD DVD and all but I just don't think they will win... seeing as how in the next few years the 360 will only have an add on for HD DVD but will also support Blu Ray if it does become the dominant format, I think Blu Ray will win because every PS3 will have one in it and does not need the add on and considering they will sell probably 10 million units or more, that is a big market for a guaranteed player for every movie maker. Like just knowing that I can choose which external drive I want I am gonna wait a year or 2 before I choose because if I bought an external HD DVD and then it loses the battle then I am gonna be screwed with a $300 piece of useless hardware. Then I would have to buy a Blu Ray. And I think alot of people are thinking the same thing

For me, it's either HD-DVD or neither. Look. Now, why would I buy a $20 movie that I can't copy to my HDD, or stream over a network? We need managed copy, which Blu-Ray doesn't include (at least at last count).
I think it's also likely that both wil fail as the pale in comparison to Holographics Disks.

I think, both will win. Something is fishy that MS wants blue ray support for 360 too.

Why wouldn't the movie, music, and software companies back a disc that won't have a consumer recordable version? That would really make it harder to pirate if you couldn't buy a Blue-ray or hd-dvd recorder. I also think that creating a disc that can't work in a PC would help fight piracy. That could be as simple as making disc a few inches bigger. Sure an external drive could be added that is larger than 5.25 inches but that beside the point (it would also give a huge increase in capacity). Also, with all these new codecs, do we really need 70+GB discs? That would be great for PC data though.

My 2¢
2 more, blue-ray=beta-max=mini-disc=la-me

exactly true... hd dvd will come out on top, cause sony ALWAYS loves to make new formats for everything they make, and they never take off... haha, sony tv's? 1366x768 (768p???), minidisc, betamax.... all are technically superior formats to the competetor, but they never work out... blu-ray will always be in the shadow of hd dvd

like Psilocybe said, there will be more ps3s sold than xbox 360 and everyone with ps3 will have a blue ray drive in their home. That fact really tells how its going to be in the near future.
Also MS is saying that it will support blueray because if hd dvd does not work out they dont want to be shown as the company that went against blueray and ended up using it. This is really true just think about it for a bit.

I'm with FallsInc, isn't this VHS..Beta all over again. I realize if these formats go into consoles they will get more exposure but is Sony in anyones 'good books' now?

People can't still be that jaded by Sony's empty promises that most of what is said about Blu-ray will happen? HD-DVD all the way.

Plus, who cares if a Ps3 has a blu-ray player in it, this format war will be decided by the Adult Industry and what medium they choose to put their movies out on will win.

blue-ray will win easily...7 out the 10 major movie studios are already backing it Versus 3 backing Hd-dvd. That and the higher storage capacity meaning companies can use the highest possible bitrate for their hd content. Plus it is secure, something all the movie companies are looking for.
People also forget Sony came up with UMD, and Movie sales on UMD format are extremely high. so high that all the companies are now releasing umd movies.
I also disagree that the winner will be determined by the porn industry...
Porn has gone to the dogs..it's all plastic women (90% of which are unatractive) and old men.... this isn't the 80's when porn was actually good, not to mention REAL....

HD-DVD

it's cheaper in all ways and because of that I think the public will take to it more

I can see the blueray disc being like the betamax format

i personally think that they will both succeed, at least for awhil i mean the vhs/beta max war both were around for a bit and japan STILL uses both, DVD/ Laserdisc war, samething and again japan still uses both, the big floppy vs. small floppy both were in use for a while, and even though dvd is dominate right now they still make vhs movies. so my thought is M$ says they will not be second again and to make that happen since sony 9is already going to use bluray m$ is gonna use hd-dvd and use all of its money and influence to get it dominate but i think both will be widley availible for at least awhile

It's been awhile since I've gave a damn abou this. My opinion is I like the blu-ray because it's looks like the better device and 50gb disk is a crap load of storage. Besides look at it this way if m$ makes a cheap hd dvd that scratches dvds or does the read disk error like the xbox are you going to be look to buy hddvd. The same can hold true for blu-ray. I will mostlikely go with the drive that produces the best vid and audio quailty. If neither side can get an edge cost may influence choice. Hey, this also my come down to which disk is the easiest to crack.

If MS would have included an HD DVD drive on every Xbox 360 then I would say hands down that HD DVD would win. Since they didn't I have to say hands down that Blu-Ray is going to win. It's definitely going to be a great format considering a single layer Blue-Ray disk can hold up to 27GB and a double layer up to 54GB. To put that into perspective a 54GB Blu-Ray disk can hold 4.5 hours of HD video or over 20 hours of standard video. With HD TVs falling in price we will need a new format to take advantage of a technology that will be in many houses within the coming years. Also, once a format is established as the winner, which will be Blu-Ray, then you will start seeing PC blu-ray drives hitting the market followed by recorders which will be very expensive at first but, like CDs and DVDs, will drop in price and become a standard on new computers.

I can see them both failing in the future.. moreso the blu-ray than the HD-Dvd sicne blr-ray is still so new its loading tiems on consoels will be a bitch and i jsut really dont think the world needs that much storage space on media yet.. i mean its like what 50+GB? thats jsut waaay too much if you ask me maybe in 2010-2015.. sony needs to wait till the cost of the technology drops before releasing it sicnethe rumored price for ps3 games are like $100 which is crazy. but i suppose if i had to choose 1 i'd say HD-dvd but i still think they will both fail just because HD-dvd is an unfamilier format and is still miore exopensive to make than regular dvdwhich still seems to work fine for the PS2

It is simple; HD-DVD will take it... Who besides the software and movie companies will want Blue-Ray if it can't be copy managed? The consumer always decides who wins, computer media is a Demand driven good and I don’t see the demand all that high for an un-copyable format. Just my two cents.

Microshaft won't do HD-DVD right. I highly doubt they will release games on that format unless they get some incredible pressure from the gaming community for some spectacular HD games that require massive amounts of storage.

9GB is a lot of room for growth as far as games go, for now. In a few years once they start pushing that space they'll use more compression. Once they out-pace the capabilities of compression (yes even video and game data can be compressed without much loss depending on the methods used) they may already be considering the next generation of console at that point.

I highly doubt you'll see HD-DVD games which is very unfortunate. I agree that we need a format that lets us copy our data. If I buy a movie, I want to be able to copy it to my computer, resize it, and compress it for my handheld so I can watch it while I'm flying or elsewhere. I won't support a HD format that does not allow this. Some people may, however someone brought up a good point: HD-DVD is a lot catchier than bluray. That kind of naming isn't too hard to overcome, but does provide instant product recognition.

I have no faith that MS will actually provide a full featured HD-DVD player for the 360. They will screw it up just like they screwed up the supposed multimedia capabilities of the 360. MS claimed they listened to modders that were modding their boxes for multimedia capabilities... that's BS! XBMC is 50 times better than the crap the 360 came with. The 360 can barely play mp3s and some windows formats...where is my mpg support? Where is my abilities to load up this 20gb harddrive with videos and music of my choice of what ever format I want? Where is the streaming audio from the net? Shoutcast is free. Where is my Shoutcast support? Stupid MS paying lipservice and then doing something else. f**k3rs !!!

I believe that due to the fact the porno industry has already been burning HD-DVD that it will be the winner!

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I think that Blu-ray will fail, even if it's backed up by Sony.
DVD has got in to the mass, so getting into peoples minds with a new brand is a lot harder, than getting there with a successor of an old good brand. So, HD-DVD will rule, simply because it's familiar. But maybe Blu-Ray gets changed to XT-DVD Or ÜDVD etc.

I think they'll both eventually fail. There's already talk of a new format that supposedly is capable of supporting 5x80GB layers per side. Who knows if its for real, but it just goes to show that we are far from establishing one unified standard across the board for hd digital media.

I'm sure I read it's cheaper to manufacture HD-DVD disks and they can easily upgrade DVD factories to HD-DVD production at a lesser cost than BlueRay production. So the cheaper to manufacture will see more so I guess HD-DVD will win. I dunno if my facts are right though.

Blue-ray new kid on block with cool name bigger storage capacity + future proof for quad HD with 100GB disc =)

HD-DVD old name smaller storage capacity
associate with old fashion DVD

like howard stern says old fashion radio


Blue-ray will win + you know how well sony playstation 3 will sell world wide the market has spoken

I don't think this coming generation will fail. There is definetly a high demand for 1080 resolution movies and these things will sell for that, as they are fully capable and big enough for such. From a PC stand point yes more storage is better, but people won't move away from their cheap dvd drives unless the media is a reasonable cost, that crazy hologram disc will have to wait it's turn.

Everyone initially was going for blu-ray, but WB backed off and blasted sony for putting it in the ps3 and switched to hd-dvd, i feel hd-dvd is less proprietary(if i used the right word?) then blu-ray

Meh. As far as I'm concerned they'll both fail. I hate these goddamn format wars.

I feel Hd-DVD is all we need for now , in the future though blue ray costs will lower just like hd-dvd has and will probally win possibly when the sony 4 and xbox 3 come out so in say 3-5 years....

Hello . Now I really don't care, but i prefer to have HD-DVD over Blu-ray any day. As far as storage is concerned.... Again look @ nintendo (I cannot stress this enough). They can fit a beautiful game on a small 1.3GB disc. So why would all that space (20-50gb) be needed for a game? 9Gb is really plenty of space. It's all about the programmers & how they code the game. So .. the only reason i would use the hd-dvd or blu-ray is mainly for storage (movies not games). Cause its not really needed for games, yet.

I back Blu-Ray 100%.
It's far superior in the way it was engineered through the idea of smaller wavelengths, yet it holds more data, will be smaller with it's smaller protective layer, and the way it runs is betterthan HDDVD.

And as for all you who mock SONY, who invented CDs along with Philips? And where was this technology later applied - maybe DVDs? And who was the driving force behind single-sided dual-layer DVDs?

As for the movie industry, which is the point behind the next generation discs, Sony is a charter member within the Moving Pictures Experts Group, who are the people who set the standards! And more space always means better. Especially past the movie, if you want to keep great quality on the DVD extras. The space adds up when you have high resolutions, with 7.1 surround sound.

Ever since I discovered the idea of Blue-Ray, I've backed it. Although HD-DVD is a novelty, it's going nowhere. It's a real shame in a ways, due to all the effort that went into designing and engineering such a high quality product.

-Bender

who backed betamax against vhs, sony did, so what does that say about blu ray?

bj

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SONY IS LIKE 997645745799569348693695865986 times richer than M$??

sony is from the gov JAP and there rich as hell and it almost can't go bankrupt on the other hand M$ can go any day bankrupt.

sorry for my english it's not my first lang

Absolutely nothing, but thanks for trying (that was disappointing, cause Betamax was a better system than VHS. Anyway...)

Blu-Ray will win hands down. It's larger capacity (as much as 200gb with 8 layers) will persuade people like me who do a lot of data intensive work like video editing and are looking for higher capacity storage solutions to back up work on (especially with HD editing just around the corner). Considering I'm working on a 90gb SD project right now, I can't see HDDVD as ever being a practical solution for large data storage. Plus Blu-ray has got the backing of the majority of the film industry, and most of the porn industry. MS may be big with lots of money, but they have no sway when it comes to the film industry - unlike Sony and the other brands on board the blu-ray bandwagon.

Holographic storage has already been developed but nobody is paying much attention to it, which is a real shame. A disc slightly larger in diameter than a DVD that can hold as much a 3.9 terrabytes? I'd be into that for sure.

ya if i was going by what i say at CES i would say Blu-Ray is going to win, but i hoep HD-DVD does.

Which ever format has the cheaper porn will win.

i see blu-ray as only useful for data storage/backup because it is still using mpeg2 video for movies.

hd-dvds dont need a lot of extra space because they can use h.264 (mpeg4 AVC) encoded video for movies which is a far superior format at high bitrates.

It is pointless to argue points based off of technical merits. Time and time again superior technology fails against superior marketing. I am a fan of HD DVD, its cheap easy and gets you tons of bang for the buck and yet the 360 shipped without it. You may argue about the HDDVD add-on but do you honestly think people would buy an external drive for the xbox? Have you heard of Nintendo's 64DD or Sega's 32x?

HD DVD was dead before it started. It is unfortunate as I think it is the format that makes the most sense.

In my eyes, the HD-DVD will be more popular, and have more widespread use. Average people and people who aren't familiar with everything regarding computers will look at it and say "Hey, its a new kind of DVD." as opposed to the "Blu-Ray? What's that?"

I see Blu-Ray being used for heavy storage for high-storage needing users, such as video editing, and business making backups of their data. Who needs 50+GB of storage? Not me. I have an 80 GB hard drive in my primary computer, and thats enough for me, as many users.

The major thing I have against Blu-Ray is its materials. Its made of PAPER PEOPLE. All one would need to do is cut it with scissors to destroy the data. While this does make production costs significantly lower, it does make the damage factor a lot higher.

Overall, HD-DVD just has too many more factors, even if they are small ones, over blu-ray for it to not come out on top.

i think that making a disk that wouldn't work in a computer is one of the dumbest things a company could do. lot's of people watch movies on their computer, especially with laptops.
I think that with the ps3 coming with bluray drive it will be more popular, like someone has already said people will buy a ps3 as a bluray player just like people bought the ps2 for a dvd player. I also think that the xbox will end up going with the bluray drive add on.

I don't see why this is such a huge issue. On either side the technology just doesn't exist for the consumer. Are there HD-DVD burners? No. Are there Blu-Ray burners? No. How many years do you all think it will take for either of the burners to hit the consumer market at a price that is reasonable. A long ass time. I personally favor HD-DVD because as great as new features and technology and all this hooplah are, consumers still care about price. Would you rather buy this $30 HD-DVD movie or this $50 Blu-Ray movie? That's how movie studios will view this dilemma.

You want to know what will be the dominant format in 2 years? Standard DVD. That's why MS made the right choice in including a standard DVD drive. They will be able to manage manufacturing costs, and use a larger format when necessary. Sony on the other hand is stuck with the manufacturing costs of a proprietary format that does not yet exist. Hell just look at the price of a blank DVD-9 disc. How many of you have a shelf with 100 blank DVD-9's on it? Now imagine the costs of just purchasing a 5 pack of blank 27gb or 54gb Blu-Ray discs. To place in your dual layer Blu-Ray burner might I add. Can you say 5 years from now?

Speaking purely from anti-Sony bias and considering no actual logic in my vote, I am 100% positive that HD-DVD will be the better format.

surprisingly that may be true last, year the adult film industry marked over 12 billion sales, compared to 8 billion box office take for mainstream hollywood movies

history will repeat, just like VHS/BETA. ya beta was better but VHS still won. MS will make sure blu-ray fails by any means possible if it means Sony gets a hard hit

thats the point that needs to be made. its the dumb people of this earth that will make the decision.

ummmm kinda stupid but.....

vHs-Hd dvd VS Betamax-Blu-ray

its clear hd will win

I think they will both fail! Heres why.

1. MS is supporting HDDVD because it has the ability to be shared and transfered on windows media computers and X360. Where as Blu-Ray will be locked to one device.

2. HDDVD can be made easily with existing DVD press plants with a small hardware change. Blu-Ray will have to make new machines for manufacturing.

3. HDDVD will be backwards compatable with regular DVD equipment you already own. Blu-Ray will only be blu-ray (at the moment), new players needed.

4. HDDVD will be limited to a certain gig capacity(20 gig?), where as blu-ray has tested a 100gig disk 4 layers.

As you can see there are too many flusterating things about one over the other. As for the computing world, I think because of the capacity Blu-ray will be the choice. Hell pioneer is already made the blu-ray writer drive due out sometime Q2 of this year. In my industry of home automation and home theaters, it is frusterating because people want it NOW but there is no end for the format war, and people dont want to have to buy 2 $700+ players for their Hi-Def movie watching.

OH and on a side note. MS has backed DirecTV to intergrate into the windows media edition PC's for hi-def material. HUGE mistake! DirecTV's Hi-Def programming is NOT a TRUE 1920 X 1080 format. They are down sizing the image to 1280 X 1080, which if you have a High def TV, looks fuzzy. I'm NOT pimping Dishnetwork by any means but they provide 21 channels of TRUE 1920 X 1080 HD programming. DirecTV's HD programming is called HD-lite. Dont belive me? Check around the net, you'll see.