is the sniper conidered a cheesy or cheap weapon?

im wondering what the thought on this is amongst people who are really into the game. ive been enjoying it on 360, and i play on a PC LAN a lot at my tech school.

we would get the games going at school, with about 12 or so people in it. and most of them would sit around with snipers inside buildings for the whole game.

after a while it got real annoying and boring with all the sniping. so a few of us said we need to limit the snipers to 1 or 2 per team (to make things a little more interesting). so of course a couple kids start getting mad "blah blah now i cant get 1 million kills a game, by shooting people from the other side of the level"

i always thought they should make it more like Halo, where you have to snipe in the head for a 1 shot kill, or twice for anywhere else.

im aware maybe the timeframe (WWII vs the future) may have something to do with this. but i dunno, just wondering what the opinion is on this........

Well, if it's considered a cheap weapon then about 80% of people who play it on 360 Live are cheap. Including myself. However, I don't just sit in a building the whole time either, I move around. I don't play teams so if I wouldn't get many kills without moving around. But when I do move around I often get mowed down by someone with a machine gun as we turn the same corner.

I know what you mean though. It does kind of suck when you keep getting sniped. You spawn in a corner and try to make your way towards some action and you get sniped. Occassionally I switch it up, but the snipers get me so bad that I switch back. Offline though I like sniping a lot, there's fewer players so you have more chance to snipe than be sniped.

I also grab machine guns for my cousin, cuz if all I did was snipe she'd never get more than 3 kills.

I'd have to agree, some, that the sniper rifle is a little unbalanced.

But, i love sniping. And sniping is the only way i can get kills up close, because my connection suck so bad (laggerific!) i need that powerful one shot kill.

How else you suppose to shoot people from long distances. Most of the maps are big and automatics / shotguns are pointless. Not every shot from a sniper rifle kills, espeically the weaker ones like the britishs gun. Learn how to use one and learn how to move around more or your just gonna keep dieing. I use it about 90% of the time b/c the maps are like that.

i like them.. but hate CAMPERS

I love using snipers. Normally I find a nice position, take a shot or two at someone then find another position. Thats how snipers work and that how I like working.

Sniper V sniper is fun aswell. Knowing where a sniper is but you cant kill him because you haven't got a good enough shot makes things more interesting.

You know what would be a sweet board for COD2 sniping. A level just comprised of rubble and what not everywhere and only 2 snipers on the board, you vs. someone else(Basically a map where there's no chance of someone being out of sight, not like where you're in a building and they're 5 blocks down behind a barrel where even if you knew where he was you wouldn't be able to get a shot). And like real snipers you are concealed in that rubble and spend your time moving slowly and looking for the other sniper. Kind of like that one movie about the Russian sniper played by Jude Law.

It could get a little redundant if it took too long, but I think it would be fun and realistic. It'd take you a while to find the person, but when you did it'd be great. Then he'd respawn elsewhere and it's Where's Waldo all over again. You can't really do that on current maps because the two of you could be no where in sight of each other. It could also work with more than 2 people but 1 on 1 has a sense of urgency. If it's 8 snipers all hiding you have 7 people you can find and 7 people that can find you, so you will be doing a lot of killing and getting killed a lot. But 1 on 1 is kill or be killed.

Campers suck. If there is a point to the game, like capture the flag, they really don't advance the team, just themseleves. I like to sneak up on them and execute 'em.

That's exactly why I don't camp. I'll grab a position somwhere for a couple minutes and hope someone strolls along and then I'll get Judo Chopped by someone walking up behind me. Even if no one would walk up behind me I still wouldn't camp because you really don't see enough people.

Snipers are just cheap, i can understand 1 or 2 in a game but when everyone snipes its not even fun anymore. You dont need a scoped rifle to kill someone long range, if "you" are anygood you would always use the garand or kar98k which are both powerful in taking someone down from a far away distance. Also on another note, is it me or why does so many people suck at cod2 on live. Every single game i come in first and its just sad crushing everyone.

Any time you get competitive with a game, you cannot sit back and use/not use certain weapons because you think they are cheap... are you out to win? Then use EVERYTHING they put in the game to win. that includes all weapons.

It's like people complaining about the noob combo in halo... I play halo a bit more competitively and I'm out to win. That means I'm gonna use everything in the game, and guess what, it's not cheap or cheating. Weapon control is key in halo 2, but each weapon has good parts, but there is a counter to each weapon as well.

Anyway, to get back on point, I have never felt bored in an online game of COD2 and it seems like everyone snipes, but I move around. I don't think it's a problem.

I love playing against snipers. A shotgun with a smoke grenade they are mine. Snipers aren't the be all and end all. I love the shotgun the most 90% of my time i have a shotgun, sure some maps i use a sniper rifle occasionally but most of the time it is the shotgun, nothing excites me more than watching for the sniper shot adn looking at where it was shot, then walking up behind them, bang in the head.

Tatics i use, is to get primary shotgun, then pick up a sniper for my pistol, just in case i walk up to a window and see someone.

But I am always moving. I hate it when you play headquarters or ctf and people have no idea wtf to do, it annoys me to no end!!!!!!

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I love it when people choose the sniper rifle at the beginning and i just hammer on them and then all of sudden tehy change there game. BTW some maps you need to use a long range / sniper weapon, which is what it is designed for.

I dont use snipers, because everyone else does. I use the following:

British/American - Thompson

Russian - ppsh42

German - MP44

Since everyone else uses snipers, I almost always have the advantage, because they are looking down their sights. Once I kill someone who has a sniper, then I have a SMG and a sniper, the deadliest combination.

Invite me (shooptek) if you want to see some skills at work

I will agree with you there. MP44 is the best weapon in the game. It homes right onto their heads and you will get a headshot every single time. Just practice and you will see much improvment. Also for british the Bren is good if you can no scope. I love sniper, but not for the noobs. Only the ones that actually run around and no scope or scope on the fly. I cant wait for the PATCH!!!

M1 Garand Baby!!!

I can handle people whoring the rocket launcher, but I don't care how you rationalize it, the plasma pistol + Battle rifle combo is the biggest noob, cheap ass, pathetic combo ever. No skills are involved, and anyone can "perfect it" (if that even applies) if they have a good connection. Those with not so good connections cannot even use the plasma pistol, because all the homing capabilities are lost. So "get a better broadband connection,” one might say. Well, i wish it were that easy. Depending on where you live, that is not always possible.

Plus, in slayer type games, i never use the Rockets or PP+BR combo. Why? Because i get no satisfaction in kills this way, in where no skills are involved. The same applies with duel wielding smgs, in where you just hold down the triggers. Whoopty freakin do, that was fun! People, who get their kicks off from kills with no skills, are those who get their jollies from beating their little sister in halo 50 to 1. Or, when they are up on someone 30 kills, they still whore the rockets, sword, and PP+BR combo. Pathetic.

I guess the only place you can play halo with mature people is in custom games, or via sys-link.

Sorry for the out burst; i'm done ranting.

Exactly why I left Halo2, plus all the immature little kids that like to play (I actually don't mind ALL the little kids, for example my girlfriend's best friend's little brothers are fun to play with (I'm 16, they're like 10 and better than me!))

Halo2 doesn't really need much skill in the first place, COD2 for example does (use cover, sneak around ect.)


Bottom line......................DON'T PLAY HALO2.

I think comparing Halo 2 and COD2 is a unfair comparison. Halo seems to be more of a run and gun shooter where COD you need to do more sneeking around because you seem to get killed much faster. The two games just have completely different syles of play. Apples to oranges.

I will probably start to play COD online more once the patch comes out to help with the lag.

If you keep dieing by the same camper, then you suck, period. You shouldnt keep dieng unless its spawn killing. Anyone who camps in the same spot is asking to be killed asap. Its the retards who keep running up right to them in the first place and keep getting killed that keep complaining about the campers. When you get shot twice from the same spot. DO NOT RUN DIRECTLY BACK TO THE SAME SPOT. GO AROUND. Theres always another way around, even if its the long way. Or face being shot everytime. Or if they are in one little corner, thats what gernades are for.

I agree with the smoke grenade technique against snipers - but does anyone elses 360 lag like a bitch whenever you're in an area with smoke/dust? It scared the shit out of me when I saw that lag... hopefully it isn't only me.

Your argument just amplifies my point... I can't do anything about people's connection. In fact, mine kinda sucks too. but if you restrict the use of certain weapons because of connection issues then you have to include the shotgun, sword, and probably sniper too. If I took up your argument I could give you are reason why half the weapons in the game should not be used.

You wanna talk about no skill? then go ahead and take the shotgun and the sword out of the game... just get close, aim and fire. Oh ya, grenades too. WHERE DOES IT STOP?

and so anyone who uses this combo is immature? right...

the game is the way it is. I can stop someone with noob combo (I only call it that cause that's it's common name) despite my connection problems. Granted it may not be easy and they will get a few kills on me, but I take pride in the fact that I can take someone down no matter what weapon they have... they all have their weakneses.

Anyway, I hope we didn't get too off topic, if we need to start a whole thread on this then I'm sure there would be plenty of responses.

You can still use all other weapons you mentioned with sub-par connections, granted the slot gun can get kinda tricky, but it still works unlike the plasma pistol, which doesn't home at all, and without homing abilities, the combo is worthless. Understand? Plus, it is a lot easier to counter another weapon then the pp+Br combo, once that damn PP hits you, you are screwed. Hell, i love the challange of sniping a rocket whore or sword wield tard, i at least have a chance of countering them.

If anyone defends the pp+br combo, or whores it. All i can say is, pathetic.

That's fine, but I would contend that the inability to defend against it is pathetic.

and let me clarify that I don't use it all the time, or even a lot, just it I have a battle rifle and no better secondary weapon (sniper, shotgun, rocket, sword) and i see a pp I will pick it up and go to town.

One last thing I thought of... nade + one BRshot to the head does the EXACT same thing as the combo, so should that not be used?

Completely different, and not even close to EXACTLY the same. I cannot believe you even compared the two. Grenades take precision and timing (i.e. skills)......they do not HOME in on your opponent. With the PP you do not even have to aim, just be somewhat in the vicinity and let go of the trigger and it will hit your opponent, even following him around a corner. Now that takes skills.

If the PP had less homing abilities, like in halo 1, then i could stomach it.

I agree the Sniper rifles are too powerful in COD2. But honestly, I can't really think of any other way to implement them realisticly. Infinity Ward Couldn't just make the Sniper Rifle kill in one headshot, because ALL the rifles are one shot kill in the head.
The only way to make it more powerful without weakening the other guns (Very glad they didnt do this, in WWII soldiers didnt have to shoot four times in the head with their 3 shot burst rifles to kill) was to make the sniper a one shot kill gun. I suppose Infinity Ward could make the sniper rifle take longer to get into aim mode, and make the reload time in between shots longer( I have watched people take out a 4 person team one by one), but I like the game the way it is.

Tips:

* Regular rifles aim much faster then the sniper, use that to your advantage

* Smoke is your best freind against a sniper, its hard to shoot what you do not see. Beware, do not engage sniper after throwing smoke, Sniper will be waiting for you with a machine gun to the face.

* The machine guns in this game are rediculously awesome in buildings, mow those snipers down

* above all DO NOT RUN OUT IN THE OPEN STREETS WHERE A MILLION SNIPERS CAN SEE YOU

See y'all online

some good points yaaz..and from everyone else too.

you should lose the sniper scope view if someone is shooting you..similar to having to no scope in halo when youre under fire.

I played COD 2 over the weekend and i was sniping but i didnt use a scoped rifle most of the time. I prefered to use a single shot rifle open sights. And yes the campers are a cheese way to get alot of kills. Most realistic snipers take one or two shots and move (mostly one cause if you read or watch anything about that if you shoot more than once you have a better chance of being located). Like alot of people said before you cant really compare the game play in halo 2 and cod 2. Alot in halo 2 acurracy doesnt mean alot but in COD you can get alot of one shot kills from shot placement aimming and accuracy are key skills in COD 2.