xlinkx
Jan 14 2007, 10:49 PM
For those who used the heatgun fix. Did you guys used low or high heat on the heatgun?
My heat gun has dual heat selection 750F LOW & 1000F HIGH.
jROC99
Jan 15 2007, 12:57 AM
Add another x360 to the fix list for error code 0102
Xbox360 giving 3 red lights on power up, verified code 0102.
Found that by lightly pressing on the two samsung chips that are not underneath the heat sink , I could make the console boot to the dashboard.
Those two chips reflowed with Mastercraft heatgun on low setting .. approx. 480F
X360 booted right away and I have had it playing a game intro for over 1hr so far.
If anyone around Toronto, Ontario has a similar x360 issue and needs their console repaired.. look me up.
jROC
http://www.hitz-online.com/mods/
xlinkx
Jan 18 2007, 09:35 AM
I can't believe this but the toothpick trick actually works. I've tried the heat gun trick and replace thermal compound but it was just a temporary fix. After a few hours of play time. I"d get the 3 red lights again but the toothpick trick works 100%. No more redlights. It works everytime I turn it on. The GPU connections are definitely loose. Is there anyway to resolder the GPU besides the heatgun. Perhaps with a soldering iron????
cmd19872002
Jan 18 2007, 04:44 PM
Humm, i fixed my board about 4-5 times for error 0102 (heat trick).
But now its not working any more

, im going to get a better heat gun (for solder rework) and hopefully that will fix it. (currently useing a heat gun thats made for shrink wrap, about 500f low 1000f high)
Im buying another system on ebay (hopeing for a ez fix/ 3 lights) so maybe i will just get that 1 working and sell the other

.
~Cmd19872002~
mygameswirelesscom
Jan 19 2007, 04:44 AM
QUOTE(cmd19872002 @ Jan 18 2007, 04:51 PM)

Humm, i fixed my board about 4-5 times for error 0102 (heat trick).
But now its not working any more

, im going to get a better heat gun (for solder rework) and hopefully that will fix it. (currently useing a heat gun thats made for shrink wrap, about 500f low 1000f high)
Im buying another system on ebay (hopeing for a ez fix/ 3 lights) so maybe i will just get that 1 working and sell the other

.
~Cmd19872002~
hey did you see look up man !!
if it is me i will try the toothpick trick !!
i fix my 360s all day !!
works 90day stell working hard 24hr !!
speedygonzolas3
Jan 19 2007, 06:42 PM
Hey,
I got error code 0102 last night,

tried the toothpick trick, didnt work, im going to try and reflow the chips, but if this doesnt work is there anyone who is willing to repair my poor 360? Perferably someone with expierence
speedygonzolas3
Jan 19 2007, 08:34 PM
QUOTE(speedygonzolas3 @ Jan 19 2007, 07:49 PM)

Hey,
I got error code 0102 last night,

tried the toothpick trick, didnt work, im going to try and reflow the chips, but if this doesnt work is there anyone who is willing to repair my poor 360? Perferably someone with expierence

Well, used the heat gun fix, im not sure how well of a job i did

, but atleast my 360 is now up and running, im not sure for how long though, i am wondering

if i finally got around to watercooling my 360 like i have been talking about doing for awhile that this problem would be fixed. Any ideas??
xlinkx
Jan 20 2007, 10:00 AM
QUOTE(speedygonzolas3 @ Jan 19 2007, 07:49 PM)

Hey,
I got error code 0102 last night,

tried the toothpick trick, didnt work, im going to try and reflow the chips, but if this doesnt work is there anyone who is willing to repair my poor 360? Perferably someone with expierence

This is what I did to get my 360 working.
Step 1. Heat gun trick on high setting 1000F (focus on the GPU) burn da shiet out of it, but in circular movement no long than 3 mins. After I'm done burning the GPU. I used something heavy to let it sit on the GPU for 30 mins. Step 2. Replace thermal compound. Step 3. Toothpick trick. My 360 has been running for 3 days now. It boots up every single time I turn it on.
kdeuce7
Jan 20 2007, 08:22 PM
Just wanted to add my experience so people can learn from it. First time I tried to heat repair it at about 480 since i was kinda nervous to mess it up. Well that fixed it for about 10mins.
Then the next time i tried it around 700 F, and actually worked the chips a little longer.. That was good for about 30mins. So today I took it and heated it at like 900-1000 F and actually worked the board alot longer (maybe about 2mins on just the chips, i know thats about the recommended time). I also replaced the shitty thermal compound I was using with arctic 5 and used the toothpick trick. Well so far I've gotten about an hour of flawless play. Knock on wood, but this time it seems to be running muuch nicer.
As far as the toothpick trick goes, I noticed I was able to get ALOT of wedge, Microsoft needs to put quality over quantity and stop released shitty products in a hurry to try and one up their competitors.... Why do you think window's has daily updates available for download.
speedygonzolas3
Jan 20 2007, 10:28 PM
QUOTE(xlinkx @ Jan 20 2007, 11:07 AM)

This is what I did to get my 360 working.
Step 1. Heat gun trick on high setting 1000F (focus on the GPU) burn da shiet out of it, but in circular movement no long than 3 mins. After I'm done burning the GPU. I used something heavy to let it sit on the GPU for 30 mins. Step 2. Replace thermal compound. Step 3. Toothpick trick. My 360 has been running for 3 days now. It boots up every single time I turn it on.
I had to borrow my g-pas heat gun, damn thing is so old, it doenst have any type of setting to change the temp so i use a thermometer on my board, ne ways i think i have done a pretty good job on my xbox considering its been about 24 hours of almost non stop gameplay and no error codes what so ever i hope everyone else has as much sucess as i did, the next thing im doing is moving on to some sort of high performance cooling mod, ive got all of the materials list for a water cooling project, but im worried about losing the mobility of my console
speedygonzolas3
Jan 20 2007, 11:12 PM
Hey xlinkx i was wondering, how long has your 360 been running without errors since you did all of those things?
xlinkx
Jan 21 2007, 08:25 AM
QUOTE(speedygonzolas3 @ Jan 21 2007, 12:19 AM)

Hey xlinkx i was wondering, how long has your 360 been running without errors since you did all of those things?
4 days.
speedygonzolas3
Jan 21 2007, 07:18 PM
Yeah xlinkx mine has been running for 4 days also, but i was wondering how many people in this forum have the Nyko Intercooler, and have been getting errors with their 360, for instance i was running the Intercooler for about a week then my console started getting ROD error 0102 i know thats supposed to be a problem with the GPU but I was thinking that maybe this isnt such a coincidence.
speedygonzolas3
Jan 21 2007, 09:45 PM
Well, i got another ROD today

dont know what im going to do
mygameswirelesscom
Jan 22 2007, 01:16 AM
QUOTE(speedygonzolas3 @ Jan 21 2007, 09:52 PM)

Well, i got another ROD today

dont know what im going to do
hey do a one more heat gun
but this time more heat with tooth pick on !!
it will work 4 u
and do it good it will last long time
hey good luck n let us know
speedygonzolas3
Jan 23 2007, 04:28 AM
QUOTE(mygameswirelesscom @ Jan 22 2007, 02:23 AM)

hey do a one more heat gun
but this time more heat with tooth pick on !!
it will work 4 u
and do it good it will last long time
hey good luck n let us know

Yeah the wierd thing is, it gave me a ROD and now it hasnt, i didnt go through and get the error code i think it may have been something else but still its wierd. Im going to watercool my xbox hopefully that will help ive just got to wait untill newegg gets my pump and radiator in. Anyways thanks guys you have been alot of help, hopefully i dont get anymore errors
Safrole
Jan 24 2007, 08:20 PM
Water cooling is a lot of work to do to a poorly designed system. If there was too much moisture or an insufficient temperature profile during the original manufacturing, then the errors present in your box and mine will be very difficult to permanently repair. Reducing the thermal swing with watercooling may help, but I suspect these guys who are proposing a complete reballing of the BGAs are probably on the only sure track. And by "sure" I mean only if you succeed. It's a lot like doing an open heart surgery in your living room with a steak knife and some sewing thread.
@xlink: I like your procedure. I got mine plenty hot, too, but it failed after about 50 days. I estimate 50 hrs and 25-35 thermal cycles. I think pressure on the chip while at reflow temperature would have helped me. But who really knows? Once I have enough knowledge to do the reballing, I could go that way. BTW I keep hearing a Tom Petty song in my head when I read about that.
I'm wondering about a home-based procedure. It looks like you get the chip up to reflow temp then pull it carefully off. Then clean off all the old solder with wick and wash it down with isopropyl. Then put the slightest smear of no-clean flux on each pad of chip and board, then stick a ball onto each flux spot on the board, then set the chip on them and heat it back up to reflow. Sounds easy, huh?
plz help me
Jan 24 2007, 11:55 PM
my xbox well not work n it code is 20 i need help with this 1 plz i need help bad

plz my xbox need to work im going to kill my self not raelly im dieing of bordam some 1 email me back at coryin360@hotmail.com i need to have help plz plz help any budy im baging u
whyudie
Jan 25 2007, 10:56 PM
I got error 74 recently..anyone knows how to fixed it? Please help.. : (
speedygonzolas3
Jan 26 2007, 02:28 PM
QUOTE(Safrole @ Jan 24 2007, 09:27 PM)

Water cooling is a lot of work to do to a poorly designed system. If there was too much moisture or an insufficient temperature profile during the original manufacturing, then the errors present in your box and mine will be very difficult to permanently repair. Reducing the thermal swing with watercooling may help, but I suspect these guys who are proposing a complete reballing of the BGAs are probably on the only sure track. And by "sure" I mean only if you succeed. It's a lot like doing an open heart surgery in your living room with a steak knife and some sewing thread...........................
Yea basiclly im just trying to buy time for my console untill I can skrwounge up the extra $$ to buy a new console, or another motherboard/drive combo off of ebay, but if anyone is internested in selling me one plz contact me at speedygonzolas3@yahoo.com, so im just wondering how long mine is going to last. Its been about 2 weeks now, so im thinking I did a pretty damn good job with the heatgun. Only time will tell.
QUOTE(whyudie @ Jan 26 2007, 12:03 AM)

I got error 74 recently..anyone knows how to fixed it? Please help.. : (
If your error code is E74 you just need to buy a new AV cable
AquilaEagle
Jan 27 2007, 02:43 PM
Just want to add my thanks to the forum here. I've just bought a non working xbox 360 core, to see if I could mend it and I did the heat trick with a hairdryer

I was getting code 0110, and that is now sorted, but I am now getting E65 when it boots up, I have checked that the DVD is all plugged in properly. Anyone know what I can check next? It is completely standard and not modded at all
Thanks
speedygonzolas3
Jan 27 2007, 09:47 PM
QUOTE(AquilaEagle @ Jan 27 2007, 03:50 PM)

Just want to add my thanks to the forum here. I've just bought a non working xbox 360 core, to see if I could mend it and I did the heat trick with a hairdryer

I was getting code 0110, and that is now sorted, but I am now getting E65 when it boots up, I have checked that the DVD is all plugged in properly. Anyone know what I can check next? It is completely standard and not modded at all
Thanks
Could be a number of things you should check the list at the beginning of this thread
nwo504
Jan 28 2007, 05:31 AM
toothpick trick worked for two weeks now its back to freezing i need to rty the heat gun tomorrow
Albut35
Jan 28 2007, 11:51 PM
Thanks for the guide. It saved my XBOX360:)
nwo504
Jan 29 2007, 08:30 AM
QUOTE(nwo504 @ Jan 28 2007, 11:58 PM)

toothpick trick worked for two weeks now its back to freezing i need to rty the heat gun tomorrow
update: i opened my 360 again and the toothpicks had broken. i put new ones on and its back alive. so its for sure that the gpu is the problem.
kappiesjon
Feb 2 2007, 12:15 AM
Ok here's my story on a 0102 error.
I've had the 0102 error for a couple of days and decided to look for some info on the net and found the heat gun fix! So i took the box apart and started heating it up. All went well untill i touched the GPU accidentally right after heating the GPU up!!! So it moved slightly and solder came out from underneath. Well.... i'm fucked i thought.
So i took a bit of the solder away and prayed to god to boot up my box normally. Of course god couldn't help me with this one and all i got were 3 red light and a 0003 code. Which i assume is a short circuit in the GPU, somewhere.
So..... can anyone help me out with this one? Can i take the GPU out if i heat it up and try and refit it somehow ? Or anything else i can do besides taking a big fat stone, tie it to my box and throwing it from a skyscraper.
Duckman2470
Feb 4 2007, 02:37 AM
Sup people, just thought i would fill you in on this 0102 error code. It has been traced to bad/ seperated GPU connections due to the GPU overheating (360 design flaw). This can be fixed and corrected so it dont happen again. I have posted all this information in the hardware forums at Xbox.com
Click here to readTo sum it up real quick, Do The Heat-Gun trick on the GPU only, replace the stock thremal compound with Antecs Formula 5 silver thermal compound and install a fan on the GPU heatsink or go water cooling and the 0102 is a thing of the past.
After extensive testing i repaird mine back in late NOV 06, stress tested for over 50hrs non-stop and its used everyday for hours on end. Its been flawless ever since. The link above includes alot of information, Pictures and videos.
peace
rollie
Feb 4 2007, 09:23 PM
Hi, first post!
Question to duckman. After reading this from your youtube video post "Check your Video cables 1st, if everything turns out fine then this fix should work. The GPU provides the picture you see on the TV etc.. If just ONE connections is bad on the GPU it could cause no video but also not trigger a hardware fault 3-red lights."
Do you think my GPU is to blame for my three red lights and 0102 error. Before it happened I was getting some weird glitches. If the console had been on more than ten minutes and I turned it off then back on, I would get no display on the tv (sometime sound , others not) but the green leds would cycle ok. Also after about ten minutes If I changed from PAL 50 to PAL 60, or vice versa, the screen would go mental/ fuzzy/ jaggy ( my tv supports PAL 60). Yet if I changed them as soon as I turned the 360 on they would work.
I think I have no other option than to try your method, as my console has been opened to add different fans, and I have the three red lights constant know !!
HNer01
Feb 5 2007, 06:09 PM
Ok this is my first post and I am goign to try to help you people out if i can. All the error codes for hardware errors including 0102 have different ways of fixing them. Now I asume most of you have these problems and have NO warranty left with M$. Open the damn Xbox 360 and disconect ALL the cables inside basically takign it apart. Turn it on you will get multiple error codes now. Now turn it off and put the whole thing back together piece by piece. I do not have an explination for why this works for MOST hardware errors but I fix these things at the store I work at and it seems to work 99% of the time for me.
When it comes to Disc read errors I hate to say it but the way that has never failed me is falshing the drive with Xtreme firmware 4.2 and up. It is a difficult process but when the drive stops reading it is usally because there has been a problem with the firmware in the DVD drive.
I had this problem with my XBox personaly of it overheating and fixed it by unscreweing the heatsinks and putting them back in place. The heatsinks can move around if the xbox has been dropped also very common from it just falling over. The fan not workign is also a common problem I have seen but if you notice this is why M$ has now come out with an external cooling fan for the system. I have recommended thsi to many people and it has worked for most. I have seen 1 or 2 cases of the over heating that could not be repaired and M$ sent them a NEW system.
Other causes that I have seen for the hard ware errors occuring have been from the Hard Drive itself. If your system has shut down before finishing saving a game or even if you have manually shut it off in the middle of an auto save in the game it is possible that the hard drive has become corrupt itself in which case you need to take it apart and hook it up to a sata port in your computer and reformat it with a 360 re-formatter that is availabel on a different site then this one. To determien if this is your problem just remove the hard drive and turn it on. if it works without the hard drive on it then you are probabley haveing this problem. This can bring up error codes from heating problems all the way to Unreadable disc errors.
mr2000jp
Feb 5 2007, 10:42 PM
QUOTE(rsintx @ Mar 21 2006, 09:00 AM)

I got my first #4q ROL today(#74). It also gives the hardware failure code 1022. I changed out the av wires a number of times, and it didnt help. Any other ideas that may cause a 74 other them an av wire problem??
internal error , av related though
QUOTE(kappiesjon @ Feb 2 2007, 03:22 AM)

Ok here's my story on a 0102 error.
I've had the 0102 error for a couple of days and decided to look for some info on the net and found the heat gun fix! So i took the box apart and started heating it up. All went well untill i touched the GPU accidentally right after heating the GPU up!!! So it moved slightly and solder came out from underneath. Well.... i'm fucked i thought.
So i took a bit of the solder away and prayed to god to boot up my box normally. Of course god couldn't help me with this one and all i got were 3 red light and a 0003 code. Which i assume is a short circuit in the GPU, somewhere.
So..... can anyone help me out with this one? Can i take the GPU out if i heat it up and try and refit it somehow ? Or anything else i can do besides taking a big fat stone, tie it to my box and throwing it from a skyscraper.
yes , you have a short for sure , and hopefully nothing else is burnt too, if you could take out the chip and reinstalling it , this will fix the problem , but thats only possible by a very experienced technician,i remember doing that once in an xbox 1 but im not sure i could do that again
mygameswirelesscom
Feb 8 2007, 03:37 AM
#4q ROL today(#74). It also gives the hardware failure code 1022. I changed out the av wires a number of times, and it didnt help. Any other ideas that may cause a 74 other them an av wire problem??
yes it is the cable from your drive
see and push the drive cable all the way
lots of time it get looss or come off bit than it will give the ....74
hop this help !!
p.s. hey let us know how the repair ..
xlinkx
Feb 8 2007, 08:53 AM
the heatgun trick is just a temporary fix.. My 360 has 3 ROL after 2 weeks =(...
pimpmaul69
Feb 9 2007, 04:12 AM
error code 20 is overheating.. i have heatgun fixed many of them and all of them were fixed by it
PhillyFanRS
Feb 9 2007, 09:55 PM
Duckman or whoever can answer this question would be greatly appreciated. Before you use the heatgun, do i clean the compound around the GPU and CPU because i saw your YouTube video and i wasn't sure if you cleaned around them. Please answer ASAP because i want to fix my 360 now, lol.
Shepdog
Feb 10 2007, 08:04 PM
QUOTE(PhillyFanRS @ Feb 9 2007, 10:02 PM)

Duckman or whoever can answer this question would be greatly appreciated. Before you use the heatgun, do i clean the compound around the GPU and CPU because i saw your YouTube video and i wasn't sure if you cleaned around them. Please answer ASAP because i want to fix my 360 now, lol.
Clean off the thermal compound before heating the board then redo the compound after.
PhillyFanRS
Feb 10 2007, 08:35 PM
QUOTE(Shepdog @ Feb 10 2007, 08:11 PM)

Clean off the thermal compound before heating the board then redo the compound after.
So i do clean the compound around the GPU and CPU then i redo it with what compound?
marica81
Feb 13 2007, 12:47 AM
I got 3 red lights of death
and get the code 0302 does anybody now what that is or why i get it
kpsmiley23
Feb 13 2007, 03:32 AM
I used the heat gun method on a broken, opened, xbox360 that I just got and it started working perfect for about a week. Backed up a game and when it loaded for the first time, the xbox quit working. Now I get the E79 with the 1033 code without a HDD. Wondering if there was anyone else who had this problem, but seemed to fix it or have it go away.
kpsmiley23
Feb 13 2007, 03:54 AM
Yeah now I get the 0102 error! super
PhillyFanRS
Feb 13 2007, 03:07 PM
Does anyone know where to buy Artic Silver 5?
kpsmiley23
Feb 13 2007, 11:14 PM
Any computer store! You might be able to get it at some retail stores as well!
zim6699
Feb 14 2007, 03:06 AM
started readin the error codes and i noticed that my lights are not blinking... they are just on 3 of them.
i started going through the forums looking for an answer to this, if i missed, link it please. but what does that mean that my lights dont blink like everyone elses?
Drewjjb
Feb 15 2007, 12:24 AM
Hi my first post here so take it easy with me. I had the three red lights error code 0020 would not boot after many tries, I reheated GPU with rework station mid air flow 300 degrees C been playing for 4 hours now with no probs, seems the GPU bga chip has bad solder joints problem with the manufacturing process i would guess. Anyway if i have any problems with this 360 i will let you know. Just a thought maybe the other fault codes depend on which solder joint on the GPU chip is faulty because there are many. I did not touch the ram chips at all.
i shot love
Feb 15 2007, 03:45 AM
the blanket trick for the 0102 error code worked perfectly for me. i would be lucky if i could even get to the 360 logo before it froze. it would randomly give me the error codes. i wrapped it in a blanket real nice and snug, making sure all vents were covered. let it run for 10-15 minutes. shut it off and turned it back out and it ran without a problem. turned it back off and back on, still running without a problem. i'm about 15 minutes into this game, not a problem yet.
Shepdog
Feb 16 2007, 12:20 AM
After using the heatgun my 0102 became 0110. I used the heatgun again but this time I focused on the ram chips. Im just wating for it to cool right now. Any other ideas?
PhillyFanRS
Feb 16 2007, 02:01 PM
QUOTE(Shepdog @ Feb 16 2007, 12:27 AM)

After using the heatgun my 0102 became 0110. I used the heatgun again but this time I focused on the ram chips. Im just wating for it to cool right now. Any other ideas?
Did you get the 0110 when your hard drive was out? If you did, put it back in you will get the 0102 i think because that's what happened to me.
CZ Ford
Feb 17 2007, 10:39 AM
Hi all ! I just registered today. Great site btw. I joined because I got the dreaded 0102 code. Of course before I found this site I had no clue what that meant. I was getting no video feed to my tv what so ever. I was planning on using the "heatgun" method that everyone is talking about but I tried a quick fix and so far so good. I powered on my xbox, wrapped it in a blanket and sat it in front of a little electric heater for about 20 minutes. Plugged it in and it powered on fine on the 2nd or 3rd try. I played Oblivion for about 4 hours and then watched 2 DVD's and everything is still working fine. I'll keep everyone informed on how it works in the future and thanks again to everyone for their posts.
kevcart3
Feb 17 2007, 11:58 AM
So, I got my 360 repaired about two months ago, well they sent me a "replacement console" or that's what the paper inside said when I got it back. Now this one is messing up on me

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"0020 (Not yet known, possibly overheating)"
^ That's the error I'm getting, has anyone had any luck with resolving this problem that have had that error? Or is it still completely unknown on how to fix it or what is causing it???
If I bought my console at launch, and I had it replaced a couple months ago, am I totally out of luck on getting it replaced?
skit_ill
Feb 19 2007, 12:29 AM
Alright, so the majority of us with the 0102 error code agree that its GPU-related. When I first got the 3 red ROL, I powered down my 360 and started my research. About 6 hours later, I went back to it; tore the console apart and just sorta wiggled the heatsink over the GPU. That's all I did. Reassembled my console and powered it on and everything was fine. I thought "hmm cool". So like we all do, I got excited and started rebooting it just to make sure it wasn't a fluke. It seemed fine. But I wasn't so sure. I put in Rainbow 6 Vegas and played for a little more than 4 minutes and I got the graphics errors. I don't remember the exact term, but the screen froze and I had lines and dots all over the place. So, from my understanding, all was good UNTIL the GPU got warmed up to a certain temperature. I'll give the thermal paste and RAM and Southbridge heatsinks a try later on. I'm snowed in right now

. With that in mind, why is it that the 360's fans draw air OUT of the console, whereas with computers most of the fans push air INTO the tower. It seems logical to me, for the whole process to be a LOT more effective if you're displacing hot air with cold air. Unless I'm retarded and the 360 does in fact push air INTO the console, someone give me some feedback about this. Even if this doesnt solve the 0102 error code, it could still prove to be a very effective way to keep youre whole console a little cooler. It just makes sense, doesn't it? Think about the directions available to the fans to draw cold air IN from. The sides. That's the wrong place to be drawing air from. It should be drawn in directly above or behind the CPU and GPU in order to effective cool them.
jc0v
Feb 19 2007, 01:26 AM
ok another successful heat gun trick over here. well to be honest i used a hairdryer cos im cheap and probably very stupid but things are working now so i dont care! hooray. well done mod freakz
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