feel free to vote/discuss

Will buy one when prices come down and they get all this content protection crap sorted. I would quite like an SED TV too

have one with no DVI or HDMI
Why do we early adopters always end up taking it in the ass!

XanTium

Please MAKE ANOTHER option ---

I own Two HDTV's - one 1080i Max and one 720 Max.

Or just: I own two HDTV's and can view 720P and 1080i without upscaling or downscaling.

A lot of us, like me, have more than one HDTV. One of mine is 1080i native, the other 720P native.

I've read a bit about all this... i got an Sony HDTV 1080i max

i know that 1080p is best but.... Which resolution is best between 1080i and 720p?

All 360 games are 720p... should i set my xbox resolution to 720p ou 1080i?

If i set it to 1080i, does the console switch it to 720p automatically?

I'm in the same boat as you my friend... I've got a projector with a VGA/Component input only

I'm planing on just waiting till the bulb dies next year sometime, by then they'll have the sweet 1080p LED based projectors out and hopefully the next gen format battle will be a bit more clear.

The real shaft is that you need DVI/HDMI with HDCP because of DRM tech


There is no "best" the "best resolution is what your display supports natively, MOST (not all) HDTVs are fixed pixels, so for instance if you have an LCD with a 1280x768 native resolution, even if you're feeding it 1080i it's still converting it to 720p before you see it, so you might as well just give it 720p and cut out the conversion step (which lowers quality and often adds lag as well as artifacts).

In general most people consider 720p superior to 1080i simply because it's progressive (less artifacting) and can run at a higher frame rate (which makes the picture much smoother).

The Xbox 360 ALSO has a scaler chip inside of it, so whatever you set in your dashboard is what you get for output NO MATTER WHAT THE GAME SUPPORTS. so if the game only supports 720p and you have it set to 1080i, it will rescale it to 1080i before outputting it.

Again your best off to set your output to whatever the NATIVE resolution of your display is. If you have a Sony TUBE TV then that's probably 1080i.

I believe 720p is better than 1080i, 1080i is using old technology like a CRT which goes the way of interlacing, were 720p is a progressive signal and draws the entire picture in one scan. In a way you could thing of 1080i as 720p being split up and sent in 2 scans instead of one. I use the 720p on my 61" Samsung and it looks great the 1080i looks good but the xbox just seems to look best at 720p IMO.

I got gyped on mine...it does max of 1080i but it doesn't do 720p. just 480p and 1080i. Last time I buy a HD set at wal-mart on clearence.

Yep...and I'll never go back!

That could just be for xbox 360, alot of people have commented on xbox 360 scaling to 1080i being alittle off(possibly upconverted 540p).
Another thing why does it matter the technology is older, it still produces a picture of great quality, that has nothing to do with which image looks better.


Not many tv's do both 720p and 1080i

Heck Yeah!!

I own a 61" Toshiba DLP HDTV 1080i.

I use my dual SLI 7800's, x2 3800 pc on it through DVI Cable and man does it look sweet.

I also got my 360 hooked up to it too.

All's good so bring on the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray...

since i'm only 16, with no job.. i would love an hdtv... but can't afford one. I spent all my saved money on my 360, the wireless adapter, setting up a wireless home network for all my computers and games.

but i'd have to say that if i were to buy an hdtv, i'd wait until OLED came out... and the prices dropped

*sigh* 2 years ago before High Definition technology was popular we spend like 1500 dollars on 2 Toshiba Flat Screen Tv; one 32" and the other 27". So if we buy another tv, it'll be a bad deal since we got our tvs so early.

the battle between 1080i and 720p is up to preference... both resolutions look exelent.. I hear alot of people say 1080i is laggy in fast motion... I see none of this but I do see basic analog tv looking alot better then on a 720p unit... another argument is 60fps vs 30fps... movies are recorded at 25fps so 30fps is plenty enough to play something back smoothly... all I know is the 360 plays perfect in 1080i and 720p... now if your tv is 720p and you set your 360 to 1080i or a 1080i tv and set it to 720p it looks a bit off... that all depends on your tv too..

I have a 52" 1080i hitachi and I couldn't be more pleased with it... it was between the 1080i Hitachi and a DLP 720p Samsung... I couldnt beat the price of the Hitachi with its features...

I was curious about what res to run my Xbox 360 at when I got it. My TV supports both 720p and 1080i. Then I found this article that pretty much cleared it up for me.

720p = 720 lines of resolution every 1/60th of a second

1080i = 540 lines of resolution every 1/60th of a second

Which means that even if I have a game that plays at 60 frames a second.. I'll never see 60 frames a second in 1080i. 30 frames is all you'll ever get.

Why 1080i is a deceptively named format.

1080i still has 1080 lines of resolution... it just displays half at a time.. how is it decieving? it being interlaced helps standard analog signals a bit.. maybe thats just me..

Im 17 now, but i purchased a HDTV when I was 16. its called a job.

Anyway, got a $800 TV for $500....

Phillips 30" flat screen CRT
480i, 480p, and 1080i

not bad for $500. 360 looks amazing on it

Don't have a HDTV and I have no plans of buying one. HDTV's cost way too much and there is no where near enough support for HD in the US. My friend just dropped like $3000 on a 50" HDTV widescreen, $600 on a HD dish network reciever, and has to pay an extra fee every month for HD programing. It's just not worth all that cash to get a little sharper picture. I'll keep my analog TV's as I have bills to pay and don't need to be wasting money on a HDTV.

I've got a CRT projector nearly two years ago which supports resolutions up to a little higher than 720p. Got it for only $400 cdn which at the time was <$300 US so not a bad deal. I agree that prices need to come down before more people buy HDTVs but that will come with time (hopefully)

Edit: 150th post now a X-S Senior Member! woot

I have:
57" Widescreen HDTV with a Halo 2 HUD burnt in - 1080i - darn shame...
23" Widescreen HDTV LCD monitor/TV 1280x768 (720p) mounted on my wall
15" Fullscreen 1024x768 LCD TV (480p is the only thing it truly supports, so EDTV?)

I'd love to get a hdtv but prices are too high and I think i'll wait untill the technology is refined and prices drop. At the moment I'm happy with the 29" flat screen crt sony I got secondhand on eBay for £24!!! . Got to love eBay and especially the local pick up only items!.

dont loose sleep over it, dork.

i currently use my monitor for all my hd needs. i'm waiting for sed tv's. i dont care how much they cost with all the saving i've been doing i'm just gonna get the biggest!

When I go home I have my dad's 55" Widescreen Hitachi that does 480i, 480p, 540p, 720p, and 1080i. It's amazing just with my regular xbox, plus he has hd directv. At college I have a 17" widescreen LCD that does 480i/p, 720p, and 1080i, it has a nat. resolution of 1280 x 768.

nope I use my monitor for my Xbox and X360. There isnt enough prodcasted HDTV stations to justify buying one.

I just picked up my first HDTV a few days ago. Since it will be used for gaming at least half the time, I opted for a 32" Widescreen Panasonic. The difference is absolutely stunning.

http://secure.syntaxgroups.com/products/de...jsp?pid=LT27HVX

Very nice, but the speakers SUCK. But I'm quite satisfied hooking it's output to my PC speakers. Anyway, I'm using it as a PC Monitor/TV/360 screen. But the 360 and PC looks best. TV's kinda pixely. I just love being able to us the PC from the sofa.

PS($500)

You call me a dork because I made a suggestion for another option on the Poll to choose from.

Good job, you just prooved how immature you are and that you have no class.

You, kid, obviously have an issue if you have nothing better to do then to call me a loser for making simple suggestion for the poll, which you did.

*claps* Congratulations, kid. It's people like you that help ruin respectable message boards and such.

i bought a 55 wide rear projection samsung about years ago, picture still is great btw and at the time, it had the best picture out of all the sets in the store, only thing that sucks is no vga no dvi no hdmi, and only does 480i/480p and 480p/1080i no 720p but it was great for xbox 1

the 360 was ok for most games but madden and nba live seemed to look way better in the stores on the lcd sets, luckily before my boss quit and my supervisor got layed off, they gave me a 2002 comercial model 42" panasonic plasma for free and all im using it for is dual monitor once in a while with my and the 360, whats great is now i dont have to kick my wife off the rear projection so i can play, now she gets to still watch her tv shows while i play the 360

the plasma supports 480p 720p and 1080i and has a vga but still no dvi or hdmi, but also every rca connection even components are all bnc so i had to spend 45.00 for gold plated bnc to rca adapters, still complain though 45.00 for a plasma, cant go wrong with that

mine maxes out at 1080i but I would like to upgrade to 1080p after this whole dvd format thing gets figured out.

Yeah, I'm definately going to get a 1080P but I'll wait another year or so when the actual usage of 1080P will be worth it.

I jumped the gun back in 2000 and bought a 1080i TV (being that old it wouldn't/doesn't even up-convert 720P signals to 1080i) then didn't use it for anything that used the 1080i except the few Xbox1 games that used it over the years and small things like that. So I made a stupid move.

In very late (October) 2004 I got a sweet deal on a DLP Samsung 3rd generation (which, if you didn't know, Samsung DLP's are highly reguarded as the best DLP's on the market and DLP's in general are the best bang for your buck; if you ask 100 audio/videophiles like me more will agree than disagree on that).

It's native mode is 720P but it down-converts 1080i to 720P and all. And, of course, I've gotten great usage out of it and it's PC, HDMI, DVI, Component input ports.

By the way, someone mentioned in this thread that all 360 games are put out at 720P. That's not true. All Xbox 360 games, no matter what they say on the back, whether it says (1080i) --or-- (720P) --or-- (720P/1080i) on the back, your Xbox 360 and your TV will work it out to play on your set whether your 720 and/or 1080i native TV up-converts or downconverts or not. Plus, as you can see from above, some games were made for 1080i and not 720P. I just wanted to make that correction.

So to sum up that last paragraph, no matter what the back of your Xbox 360 game case says - 720P & 1080i, 720P only, or 1080i only (and yes, different Xbox 360 games will say one of these threee things), the game WILL DEFINATELY play on your 720P and/or 1080i TV no matter what - whether it's the 360 doing the up/down conversion and/or your TV doing the up/down conversion (if it can and if it needs to).

One thing that boggles my mind is why MS didn't get the DTS logo on the 360 or the package or any paperwork stating it supports DTS (which it clearly does because I've tested it with DVD's I have with DTS). Xbox1 had the logo. Maybe it would have cost them more money? I seriously, seriously doubt that but hey - it's possible I suppose.

I've got a 51 inch Philips HDTV. Got it in November 05 for $800. I really like it. Anything over $1000 I wouldn't pay so I waited.

It'll do 1080i /480P / 480i. I also have a 650W 5.1DD surround via optical fiber so its a pretty nice setup for under $1100 all together.

-Monty

how about an option for EDTV that shows up to 1080i perfectly? After all, everyone knows that HD resolution is only noticable in tvs 50" and above.

Wait, everyone doesn't know that? They waste their money buying 30" HDTV's? I guess marketing does have a purpose...

No HDTV here, I just don't play games or watch TV enough to want/need one.

Pioneer PDP436XDE. 43" 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p! About $4500 after currency conversion.

HDTV's are still way to expensive in Europe, and in Belgium, you can't even get HD channels. When the price drops (in a few years), I might get one.

No offense or anything, but being the audio/videophile I am, I can assure you a true, good 720P and/or 1080i TV can easilly be noticed at better resolution below 50". I think the smallest ones they really make are around 28-32", though, it's somewhere in there.

Now, with that said, granted, you won't really see the difference on say a 30" TV with 1080i vs a 480i non-HDTV if you either have bad eyesight and/or are sitting more than 12 feet away. But with a 30" HDTV you'd probably want to be sitting, ideally of course, about 8 feet away to see the true HDTV resolution (who watches even a non-HDTV 30" TV from much more than 80 feet away, anyway, though? Not Many).

Oh well, I was just giving my two cents, bro.



How much?

And are they the same brands we get in the U.S. and Japan (obviously I would assume so, but then why the high price?)? --- Like Sony, Philips, Magnavox, Samsung, RCA. GE, Sharp...?

2,500 British Pound (GBP) = 4,343.20 US Dollar (USD)

Currency Exchange as of today, also, sales tax is 17.5% VAT over here. It's an amazing TV. Everything looks beautiful (even SDTV signals, don't actually get HD here yet!). I run my xbox at 720p on it, it seriously blows you away!

Holland to, maybe i buy a HDTV when i get hd channels for less money. its damm expencive right now.
a beamer works good 2

Don't own one. Would like one, but my wife would have a stroke if I went out and bought one. Of course you need a nice sound system also, which I don't have.

Hopefully they will come down in the UK as Sky are launching HD sattelite TV in the next month or two.

At the moment im running my 360 at 720p on a Dell 19" monitor. I have to say you CANNOT see the real beauty on this setup though, if I stick my head RIGHT next to the monitor you get a better idea of how it should look on a HDTV but also a bad back and headache. ;-)

Unfortunately the VGA cable for 360 doesn't do 1080i which is a shame as I know this monitor can do that as I have seen my X-Box do it.

I hope I don't loose any class by saying this but, come on dude, everybody is thinking it but no one wants to say that your suggestion for a poll option was probably like the worst option ever. Sure the one dude didnt have to call you a dork, it was uncalled for. Oh well, lets move on kid. No harm no foul, and this message board hasnt been soiled just yet.

Now there's a good tv. One of the best plasmas. I have the 50" Sony SXRD. 1080p. Games look great in 1080i since it's native resolution is 1080. But they do look smoother in 720p. Either way it's T!TS ( o )( o )

FYI, sorry but you've been misinformed. According to the specs from Pioneer, your plasma has a max resolution of 1024x768 so it doesn't fully resolve 1080i or 1080p although it's likely that it can accept and downconvert the signals.


Hard to imagine that 8% (and close to 15% of those with HDTV) have 1080p compatible set given that less than 1 year ago, there were pretty much no sets available that actually did it. Even now, most of the sets available don't do it. I suspect that many may have been misled when they purchased it.

It had nothing to do with you, kid. I am old enough to be your father, believe me. He didn't only call me a "dork" but he also opened up his statement with "don't lose any sleep over it" which was another uncalled for, completely immature thing to do.

Another person has made a suggestion for the poll... Should we all start flaming him?

Come on now, your post is totally irrational and you should think before you type your message and had you done so you would have realized just how immature you're acting as well.

It was over when I responded to his uncalled for response. Why bring up many days old topics of conversation and drag it on and also involve yourself?

That's class right there.

Just drop it, lol. Clearly a lot of you kids and adults younger than myself don't belong on these boards if all you want to do is bring negative energy with your negative posts.

Can we call this topic 'over' and 'done with' now already? I'd bet not.. I'd bet someone, maybe even yourself, is going to fire back with yet another immature response.

Personally I get a riot out of it but at the same time I want to try to teach you youngins some respect and that's why I reply to the attacks against myself.

You know the saying "you learn something new everyday?" Well, you just did, congratulations to you, too. I hope your message board ettiquite gets better, kid.

*pats ya on the back*



Sincerely,
BasicAir

From what I've read over the years about resolution, 1080i is best for 'scenic' show such as Discovery or certain movies. 720p is best for sports or action movies, including video games. It all depends on your native resolution on your tv set. Most tv's are 720 native. Check your resolution manual and see what the set is capable of.

I'm aware of that. But, it does also state that 1080p is supported, possibly with a downconversion (still says it's running at 1080p) but still looks absolutley amazing.

Dude you need to calm down =/ Losen up buddy....someone called you a dork...get over it =/ No need to make these 'im older than you, im better than you' comments. :S Who cares...



My dad has a 47" 1080i CRT set, i dont remember any other info about it as i dont really go there that often. My xbox 1 looks great on it though.

1080i for the win!

I own a HD Sony Bravia TV purchased about 3 months before the xbox 360 launch. It runs at a max res of 1080i although i can see very little difference between that and the 720p settings. The extra resolution is neat when using it as a pc monitor though.
Oh and to the dude who was moaning to xantium about the lack of options on the poll... Count yourself lucky that thats the worst of your problems! I still aint paid off the finance for my first telly