i have an old xbox from either 2003 or 2004, i used UXE method to mod it after reading this thread http://forums.xbox-scene.com/lofiversion/i...hp/t443489.html made a cd-r and it worked. even though i did have a problem and it gave me some crappy xbox live is not connecting screen, i made it work when i installed fonts from the same cd.

then i bought a new xbox and i wanna mod it for somebody. my question is will UXE method work? and if it does, whats the point of using the "NEW" NDURE softmod? my evox is uptodate 3935 i believe??? and i used old UXE method. i skimmed through the "NEW" NDURE method and its 50 times more complicated and more time consuming?

please somebody give me some feedback, i dont wanna waste too much time on this new method which just seems like its the same old thing with "updated fonts", who cares about some fonts my evox works PERFECTLY! not one bad game, it reads all region games!! thank you in advance!

The blue link in my sig might be of interest to you/them ... it's a bit outdated though (as Ndure evolved some more after that).

UXE will work just fine. But, NDURE is easier than you seem to think. There are some minor advantages to the NDURE method but ultimately if you can't work out how to install it, and you can successfully do UXE, then you aren't missing a lot.

Krayzie's NDURE gamesave installer is pretty much the easiest way, if you have access to one of the exploitable games. Installing like that is pretty much identical to installing UXE from a gamesave, it's certainly not harder.

hey guys, what is eprom? i been meaning to ask you this but i cant find any tutorials on it. if i backup the entire xbox HD, would that be enough? or do i gotta do something with eprom file to back it up or something? my xbox i modded i didnt back it up and couldve messed it up real bad so now i dont wanna take any chances.



can you backup the Hard Drive files before you use NDURE without opening your xbox? what are the minor advantages to the NDURE?

also could you drop a link to krayzie's ndure gamesave?

The install process for Krayzie's exploit will prompt you to back up the eeprom (and will not let you continue until you have) - it will save it on the xbox HDD in e:\backups\eeprom (a file called eeprom.bin). As soon as this is done, FTP into the xbox and save the eeprom.bin file on your PC somewhere.


Yes. When you boot the gamesave exploit, before it installs anything you have the ability to FTP into the Xbox to back it up. What I'd suggest:
1) Boot gamesave
2) Select "Backup eeprom" from menu
3) Back up Xbox hdd over FTP, including e:\backups\eeprom directory
4) Continue installing NDURE


It's in the usual places, read this: http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/xbins.php
Once you're there it's something like /xbox/exploits/packages/krayzie's ndure installer 1.1... I forget exactly

Isn't the usual places old now ? for sure some reason, ive found a url link that lets me in to the usual places without ftp or anything !??! just my 2 cents ! Cuz after i found it, i said screw with the usual places and their download limit and username and all that bs

Other sites exist that copy stuff from the usual places and post it without the same requirements to get in, but they are not the same place. They are unlikely to be as up to date and nobody here will discuss it. If whatever other place you're looking doesn't have krayzie's ndure installer 1.1 then that pretty much proves they aren't up to date

Xbins works the way it works for a good reason.

Yeah xbins is not about making it hard to get files. it's about getting files from a solid place without crappy stuff. Sure there are easier ways to get your software but 90 % of the stuff that is out there in the wild is garbage.

huge props on all the info ,but i got a few q's...

i got 3 diff NDURE versions from the ftp:

Krayzie_007_Ndure_Installer_v1.1.rar
Krayzie_MA_Ndure_Installer_v1.1.rar
Krayzie_SC-NTSC_Ndure_Installer_v1.1.rar

there was a PAL one but i dont want a european release. anyway which one means what? if i chose ntsc, will it only play ntsc releases? see this is why im skeptical about this stuff cuz my uxe installer got my evox play all region games and im afraid the new uptodate ndure will mess the evox up. what are the other 2 versions mean?

what is eeprom and how does it work?

Krayzie_007 - agent under fire
Krayzie_MA - Mechassault
Krayzie_SC - Splinter Cell

the games they are used for.

Use the version that pertains to your Xbox

PAL - European

NTSC - North America

also, don't you think if this Installer is NEWER than the UXE one it would have ALL the same things as that installer PLUS more.

i dont get it, why would you have versions for games instead of an xbox you installing? "use the version that pertains to your Xbox" could you clarify that? i dont got any of these 3 games, how do i know which version pertains to my xbox?

im just making sure bro, i dont wanna mess this up cuz once im modding it im giving it away and i dont feel like spending days and weeks fixing the xbox i messed up..

so you basically make an ISO of ntsc version, burn it to a CDRW disk(will cdrw's work or you need only DVDR?), then just follow instructions??? no need to open up my xbox like in uxe softmod?

Those files are for use with gamesave exploits - to use them you need to have (buy, rent, borrow) a copy of the relevant game, and a way to transfer the save onto your xbox (via memory card, usually).

If you don't have access to any of those games you will need to hotswap your xbox hard disk to install a softmod - see the stickied thread at the top of this forum.

Sorry to barge in on your topic, but what Kernel and Dashboard versions are supported by Ndure? I'm extremely exited about this softmod but I haven't found out what Kernel and Dashboard it supports.

VerbalVenom; ALL kernel and dashboard versions are supported by Ndure, but MS dash 5960 (release 185ead00) provides the most XBL features.

Great! Thanks a bunch!!. One more question. Say I have an older dash, is upgrading as simple as logging in live and letting it update, or is it version specific. Thanks again!

no it's as simple as that

thanks everyone you've been a great help. THanks crazy for your contribution! Some time ago soft modding made me cringe, but with Ndure it makes things less frantic.

**edit** Krayzie** not Crazy lol. Sry for butchering your username!

Indeed, his knowledge and (more importantly) understanding of Ndure is now almost as extensive as its inventors'! ;}

krayzie; it's hard to believe that Ndure's evolution was only "ignited" here a year ago today eh... http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?act...dpost&p=2537233

Yeah we all remember that....Happy aniversary to you

will it still work if i get the game but i dont have a memmory card?

ICY319; in case it helps, bear in mind you could install UXE on it (per this thread's post#1) then relatively easily update it to Ndure 3.0 with 5960 dual-boot afterwards (for free!) if you want to benefit from the extra features:

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?act...dpost&p=3346273

will krazie's ndure work without a memmory card???

only if you hotswap the save on the hd

how do i do that? by ftping the files? if so, to which folder?

thanx 4 feedback

hotswapping has nothing to do with ftping. look for hotswap guides in the tutorials topic. Saves go in E:\udata

so I guess the memory card thing really is a downside, eh?

[not having one, or knowing someone with a modified system]

Uhm no....Hotswapping is still an option. As you should know there are various ways of getting saves on the xbox without hotswapping. (making usb adapters or using an action replay). If you don't like hotswapping you can simply choose not to.
No offence but you really make no sense

And you're insane bro.

IF you dont have those "other means" you have to hotswap, correct?

*Ways to get your gamesave onto the HDD.
-Action Replay: Downfall if you cannot/dont want to purchase it.
-Hardware modification (for your mem card/controller): Downfall if you cannot perform it.
-Know someone with a modded system and memory card: Downfall if you do not know someone.
-Hotswapping: Downfall period.

Am I missing any other methods to get the gamesave to your hard drive? Seriously, I'd like to know, because all I see is downfalls if you happen to be unlucky enough to not have the things I listed with hotswapping being the only alternative: which is also a downfall.

You just don't want to admit that your acclaimed method of softmodding has a downfall; when there is NOTHING wrong with that at all man.

I've been modding Xbox's since the freaking xtender modchip, you can say I'm certain better than the "average" end user with the Xbox, and you know how many of those 4 options I'd have covered if my own Xbox fried and I had to buy a new one (ignoring the fact I have more than 1 xbox)? I'd STILL be forced to hotswap, for I don't know a single person who has modded their Xbox, I'm not buying action replay, and I'm not doing any dumb hardware modifications (even though I can, like I said I've soldered the 30+ wires for xtender) when it's much easier just to hotswap.

I don't get what your not understanding, unless either:
a.) there is some other way to get the gamesave on the box I don't know of that is much easier and free.
b.) you're grossly overestimating the # of modded systems out there and generalizing people to be like yourself -- aka geek, and no I'm not dissing you there either, I'm a freakin engineering major right now with near a 4.0 in college -- in either case that is not the norm.

Now please explain to me if there's some alternative to those 4 things, and if your not capable / cannot obtain the necessary tools/ability to perform those 4 things, how the gamesave method does not have a downfall being one of those first three listed???

EDIT: Im not understanding why you have been disrespecting me just because I'm not making sense to you. Don't act so imperialistic, you're supposed to be an example to users of this forum. Sure you help *some* people, but you could be alot nicer to *some* people as well. And if any of my replies to you have ever sounded disrespectful I assure you I don't mean them to, so don't take it that way, tone has a way of getting lost on the Internet.

Ok imagine I have no action replay, no memory card, no pc, no laptop, no usb sticks, no soldering irons, no nothing just an xbox. How can I mod it? That would be hard right. Is this a downfall of softmodding too? Or is it a downfall for chipmods? If you keep creating situations what if this or what if that then yeah we can call everything a downfall.
My point was just you have various options, some of them require some things and others of them require other things. Directing to one option cuz that suits your situation a little better doesn't mean that's a downfall. If you don't want that options you could invest a little money and time and take the other. I really cannot understand your logic here no mather how hard you try. It's really simple.

And to the nice part....I wasn't really trying to disrespect you. I am just disagreeing with you. In my opinion your story makes no sense and I was trying to explain my motivations for that. If you take that as an offence and start some kind of contest who is right with full page stories and all then yeah expect me to defend my point of view too. I am nice to the ones who are nice to me. I am a little less nicer to the ones that are not nice to me, are acting disrespectfull to others or are challenging my knowledge or believes.

Hey, you know what. You nailed it on the head: acquiring a hardmod AND installation of a hardmod is a downfall.

In that same respect, acquiring something that you dont ordinarily have for ANY circumstance should be classified as a "downfall" if you ask me. Whether you have various options or not -- and there's just as many various options for hardmods as softmods.

So you have hot swapping, action replay, and memorycard. Well you have solder, solderless, cheapmod, xecuter, even mod installation and premod. Yet, I'm sure you would lump hardmod installation and acquisition as a "downfall."

I'm not disagreeing with your beliefs. I'm disagreeing with your unobjectiveness in the eyes of people who do not know better. I just got done debating with a teacher about the fact that a book with a typo in it (I wont go into detail) isn't a simple "typo," but in that situation served to give people the wrong idea (made a possibility far greatr than t should be), and served to screw up everyone's learning of the material because of one typo'd word. Literally, exam scores plummeted 20 points on the material that was from that chapter because of it, and this was a high level engineering class - not with idiots.

The point is, when dealing with people who cant verify if something is in fact true, you're painting a more "rose-colored" picture than it really is for softmods to those people who don't know better. Of course to you, me, and others who know what the downfalls are...you're not telling us anything new and we know what you mean in effect. But ignorant posters do not, and its those I'm seeking to help.

Hopefuly you understand my position as I now understand yours.

(BTW - I was aware of what the real # was in the engineering class so I was actually arguing against it being that bad of a thing; but I'm now realizing it was)

So if I don't have a pc to hotswap to I am forced to buy stuff or make my own adapter. I can understand this is a downfall. But is it a downfall of a softmod or is it a downfall of the situation?
Reversed: I don't have an exploitable game and do have a pc. Now I will have to hotswap with the risk of messing my hdd. Is this also a downfall of the softmod or again a downfall of the situation I'm in?
A softmod is just a piece of software making your xbox booting unsigned code on bootup. In my view whatver shitty ways there might be to get that software on do not directly apply to the softmod itself. Sure the techniques themselves have downfalls of their own but I don't see how it's the softmod to blame for that.

This is my final post about it. This discussion is a bit too uselless in my opinion so I guess we would just have to accept the fact that our views are entirely different. I rest my case.

oh man...

could somebody PLEASE give me a link to a thread that gives me in detail STEP BY STEP on how to NDURE softmod, or should i even bother using ndure and just go ahead and uxe softmod it instead? i dont have a mem card, i dont got any extra accessories other then a dvd remote. and i got a crossover cable to transfer files from my pc to my old xbox. THATS IT! i dont want to risk my new xbox for nothing.

you all got me so confused i dont know WTF you all talking about!

please, somebody give me an answer

thank you