Denus
May 23 2006, 05:21 PM
Hi,
I have a problem to get my modded pal XBox on a brandnew Asus 17" flatpanel.
I bought a X2VGA 2 device, but even with the changes from PAL to NTSC and many other settings, I couldn't get an image on my screen.
Today, I got my new order: a VGA to 3 YUV CINCH female adapter along with a component video/YUV cable for the XBox, but even this didn't work: I get a "no signal" message on the screen.
Please see my project to see what the meaning is:
http://lunacade.blogspot.com/I didn't find a straight answer in this forum yet....
Help me out please, I'm stuck!
imamafackinhokie
May 23 2006, 08:06 PM
That is one nice arcade mine is at xbmc.ckdvt.com/arcade
Anyways have you tried to connect your xbox to another ntsc screen or another vga compatible monitor?
DVADER
May 23 2006, 09:18 PM
I don't know why you are getting *no* display, but with the cable setup you are using (without the x2vga) if you *do* get a display, it will be tinted heavily green. component signal is different than RGB, I just went through this on my projector, and it requires a bios change to fix (either the modified ind-bios by junkmonkey or another vga-enabled bios).
Devedander
May 23 2006, 11:12 PM
I keep seeing people using VGA to componet adapters or wanting too... I have never seen this work with anything outside of video cards for PCs that have the feature built in to output component over the VGA port... people really get this working regularly?
War_Machine
May 24 2006, 04:22 AM
howd u get the blue xbmc skin?
DVADER
May 24 2006, 12:34 PM
QUOTE(Devedander @ May 23 2006, 06:19 PM)

I keep seeing people using VGA to componet adapters or wanting too... I have never seen this work with anything outside of video cards for PCs that have the feature built in to output component over the VGA port... people really get this working regularly?
In essence, I am doing this.
VGA runs RGB, similar to component, but not compatible. If connected directly, it results in a heavy green tint over the whole screen. The XBOX hardware is *capable* of outputting in RGB, but MS never enabled the feature. Several people have made bioses that enable it. Currently I run XBOX w/ component out, with RCA > BNC adapters connected directly to the RGB input on my projector (same signal as vga, different connection), w/ a modified bios to output RGB, and it looks beautiful. It works in all modes, 480p, 720p, 1080i.
Devedander
May 24 2006, 04:35 PM
So you are going component to RGB, but not component to VGA? It just seems that a lot of people are mistaking the fact that an adapter exists to mean that it will work. May Component to VGA adapters I have seen actually bear a warning that they do not convert one signal type to another, but many don't.
You have a PJ with BNC connectors? Is it really old or medical grade or something?
DVADER
May 24 2006, 08:49 PM
QUOTE(Devedander @ May 24 2006, 11:42 AM)

So you are going component to RGB, but not component to VGA? It just seems that a lot of people are mistaking the fact that an adapter exists to mean that it will work. May Component to VGA adapters I have seen actually bear a warning that they do not convert one signal type to another, but many don't.
You have a PJ with BNC connectors? Is it really old or medical grade or something?
Yes, component to RGB, but... RGB is the same signal as VGA, just a different connector. I have a VGA to BNC cable also to hook my computer up to the projector. The projector is an old Barco Data 808 (CRT projector). It is HUGE, but i picked it up for only $150 and it projects anywhere from 68.5" to 240" diagonal.
On a side note, I am currently working on a bios patcher to convert any xbox bios to a vga/rgb-enabled bios.
pimpmaul69
May 25 2006, 08:03 AM
ok i think i can answer your problem... i have a vga port on the back of my xbox... only 1 of the 3 monitors i have will display anything.. sucks you put that in there but i would start testing other monitors
QUOTE(DVADER @ May 24 2006, 08:56 PM)

Yes, component to RGB, but... RGB is the same signal as VGA, just a different connector. I have a VGA to BNC cable also to hook my computer up to the projector. The projector is an old Barco Data 808 (CRT projector). It is HUGE, but i picked it up for only $150 and it projects anywhere from 68.5" to 240" diagonal.
On a side note, I am currently working on a bios patcher to convert any xbox bios to a vga/rgb-enabled bios.

and on the xbox rgb and vga are different.. all three jumpers are enabled to make rgb... and a mistake made in the diagram switch #1 is not supposed to be enabled for vga.. it will not work on vga with switch 1 enabled... i went through hell to figure this out
edit: this is important to you.. xbmc,dvdx,avalaunch and damn small linux DO NOT FREAKING WORK on a vga monitor with 720p and 1080i enabled
DVADER
May 25 2006, 05:46 PM
QUOTE(pimpmaul69 @ May 25 2006, 03:10 AM)

ok i think i can answer your problem... i have a vga port on the back of my xbox... only 1 of the 3 monitors i have will display anything.. sucks you put that in there but i would start testing other monitors
and on the xbox rgb and vga are different.. all three jumpers are enabled to make rgb... and a mistake made in the diagram switch #1 is not supposed to be enabled for vga.. it will not work on vga with switch 1 enabled... i went through hell to figure this out
edit: this is important to you.. xbmc,dvdx,avalaunch and damn small linux DO NOT FREAKING WORK on a vga monitor with 720p and 1080i enabled
I have no idea what you are talking about with jumpers and switches. I'm just using a hd pack from walmart and some adapters from radio shack.
Denus
May 25 2006, 06:54 PM
Thanks guys: I will test some of the methods, especially the VGA-enabled bios.
I don't have any CRT monitors anymore, just TFT screens and a 32" TFT TV.
Any of them are showing an image from the XBox trough the VGA connector.
Devedander
May 25 2006, 08:04 PM
QUOTE(DVADER @ May 24 2006, 08:56 PM)

Yes, component to RGB, but... RGB is the same signal as VGA, just a different connector. I have a VGA to BNC cable also to hook my computer up to the projector. The projector is an old Barco Data 808 (CRT projector). It is HUGE, but i picked it up for only $150 and it projects anywhere from 68.5" to 240" diagonal.
On a side note, I am currently working on a bios patcher to convert any xbox bios to a vga/rgb-enabled bios.

Threadjack
Did you get that off the guy who was selling 2 of them on avsforum for cheap to anyone who would pick them up?
If so I hate you.
Actually for $150 I still hate you.
QUOTE(DVADER @ May 25 2006, 05:53 PM)

I have no idea what you are talking about with jumpers and switches. I'm just using a hd pack from walmart and some adapters from radio shack.
I think that might be the problem... just because the adapter from radio shack has component on one end and vga on the other does not mean it changes the signal from one type to another...
It's kind of like if I take a US plug and solder it onto a Euro plug you can then plug your US devices into a Euro plug. And they will still fry...
DVADER
May 25 2006, 08:31 PM
QUOTE(Devedander @ May 25 2006, 03:11 PM)

Threadjack
Did you get that off the guy who was selling 2 of them on avsforum for cheap to anyone who would pick them up?
If so I hate you.
Actually for $150 I still hate you.
I think that might be the problem... just because the adapter from radio shack has component on one end and vga on the other does not mean it changes the signal from one type to another...
It's kind of like if I take a US plug and solder it onto a Euro plug you can then plug your US devices into a Euro plug. And they will still fry...
No, got it from a govt surplus auction. The adapters are component > BNC. The modified BIOS handles the signal change (outputting RGB instead of component).
Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not having any problem with my setup, it's beautiful. :-)
veeper
May 26 2006, 02:44 PM
In fact, using a hacked vga-bios, the point is that your adaptor has a sync-seperator because most monitors just need RGBHV but not composite sync which is what the box normally creates. In my case, this is just what I would like to have, an adaptor from yuv to vga(rgbhv), with no transcoding, but I dunno where to get one...
And about the power connectors... in fact, many new power cables like for xbox, cell phones, shavers or whatever CAN BE CONNECTED to ANY power source, no matter you solder the new plug or use an adaptor (without a converter). Just check for a label "Input: 120-240V, 50-60Hz" (Else it might fry the thing anyway).
pimpmaul69
May 26 2006, 04:12 PM
hey denus if you want to solve this real easy ill sell you an adapter i made for 30 buxx.. it has a pc speaker output and the complete vga mod with the lm1881 chip in it.. if you are interested let me know
Denus
May 27 2006, 11:21 PM
@ pimpmaul69: I've sent you a PM.
Denus
May 28 2006, 11:19 AM
The cable looks great, but do you have a version with a male vga-connector?
I will not be able to connect the female connector on my flatpanel.
...or I have to find a gender converter...
Denus
May 28 2006, 12:33 PM
Oh wait: this cable is made to be connected on the VGA cable attached on the monitor...duh...
It's true that some CRT monitors have a non-removable vga cable, so it's clear why a female connector has been used.
No prob: I will manage.....
pimpmaul69
May 28 2006, 07:47 PM
QUOTE(Denus @ May 28 2006, 12:40 PM)

Oh wait: this cable is made to be connected on the VGA cable attached on the monitor...duh...
It's true that some CRT monitors have a non-removable vga cable, so it's clear why a female connector has been used.
No prob: I will manage.....
do you want one with a female end.. cause i can make it any way you like.. also i will make it the exact length you want it
Denus
May 28 2006, 08:24 PM
No, I need a male vga connector (I have a female connector on the flatpanel), and a lenght of 50 cm ( +/- 20 inch) should be long enough.
On your picture, a female connector is used, that's why...
pimpmaul69
May 28 2006, 08:39 PM
i meant male connecter.. sorry guess females are on my mind
irfan
May 29 2006, 01:16 AM
you dp know that you can get male/female convertors pretty damn cheap, dont you?
pimpmaul69
May 29 2006, 04:02 AM
QUOTE(irfan @ May 29 2006, 01:23 AM)

you dp know that you can get male/female convertors pretty damn cheap, dont you?
yeah but he is paying me to get a cable the way he wants it
Denus
May 29 2006, 04:40 PM
QUOTE(irfan @ May 29 2006, 02:23 AM)

you dp know that you can get male/female convertors pretty damn cheap, dont you?
That's actually a gender converter, as I mentioned before.
pimpmaul69
May 29 2006, 05:21 PM
so denus i mentioned in the pm that your 1.6 board wont work for vga.. swap with a buddies or something.. i am selling these cables for 30 dollars for anyone else interested pm me.. smoothest looking vga cable you will ever find and not some big chunky crap you attach to the back of your xbox for 75-100 buxx
Denus
May 29 2006, 05:55 PM
pimpmaul69: thank you for the info.
And I can't wait to see the cable....
I also have a XBox version 1.3: I have to swap the 1.6 for that one then....
Spykon
Jun 5 2006, 08:52 AM
QUOTE(pimpmaul69 @ May 29 2006, 06:28 PM)

so denus i mentioned in the pm that your 1.6 board wont work for vga.. swap with a buddies or something.. i am selling these cables for 30 dollars for anyone else interested pm me.. smoothest looking vga cable you will ever find and not some big chunky crap you attach to the back of your xbox for 75-100 buxx
So if I could possibly buy one from u, would it work on a PAL Xbox connected to a 19" Flatscreen? So I could run games and XBMC in higher resolution? My Xbox is v1.0 or v1.1
Oh I see Denus is from Holland, so how did you pay pimpmaul69? As pimpmaul69 is mentioning dollars, I think that means he is living in the US

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Denus, laat me dan weten als het werkt, ok?
Denus
Jun 5 2006, 09:20 AM
No problem with Paypal: you can convert euro's into dollars.
Spycon: Ik laat je weten hoe of wat, maar ik vrees het ergste...
irfan
Jun 5 2006, 07:31 PM
ah i didnt see he was custom making them.. i thought it was jsut that one cable for sale...
pimpmaul69
Jun 5 2006, 08:58 PM
i will make them for anyone who wants them..30 us dollars with the shipping included.. i accept paypal..
i make the cables with a male or female end per customers request..male end is for flatpanel monitors wich have a removable vga cable.. and if you look at ultimarc they are 25 plus shipping and their cables dont look anywhere as nice as mine.. so with shipping included i am quite a bit cheaper than them
Spykon
Jun 6 2006, 03:31 PM
QUOTE(pimpmaul69 @ Jun 5 2006, 10:05 PM)

i will make them for anyone who wants them..30 us dollars with the shipping included.. i accept paypal..
i make the cables with a male or female end per customers request..male end is for flatpanel monitors wich have a removable vga cable.. and if you look at ultimarc they are 25 plus shipping and their cables dont look anywhere as nice as mine.. so with shipping included i am quite a bit cheaper than them
Great. What you mean by removable vga cable and male/female? I have a flatpanel monitor who was a DVI output and VGA.
pimpmaul69
Jun 6 2006, 07:40 PM
QUOTE(Spykon @ Jun 6 2006, 03:38 PM)

Great. What you mean by removable vga cable and male/female? I have a flatpanel monitor who was a DVI output and VGA.
crt monitors have a vga cable that does not remove.. so i have to make a cable with a female 15 pin vga end on it.. but most flat panel monitors have a vga cable that comes off and if you wanna be able to plug my cable straight into the back of the monitor then i have to make a cable with a male 15 pin vga on the end
irfan
Jun 6 2006, 09:05 PM
^^^ well not all CRTs .. just a lot of them.
did u ever get more of those controller stickers with the one/two/3/4 people on them?
pimpmaul69
Jun 7 2006, 05:47 AM
QUOTE(irfan @ Jun 6 2006, 09:12 PM)

^^^ well not all CRTs .. just a lot of them.
did u ever get more of those controller stickers with the one/two/3/4 people on them?
nope i wish...why u ask outta curiosity??
Spykon
Jun 7 2006, 11:59 AM
Alright. I'll contact you in a few weeks, when its possible for me to pay you and get the delivery (exams coming up ^^).
Denus
Jul 26 2006, 12:32 PM
@ pimpmaul69:
I received the cable: it's very well made.
Of course, I wasn't able yet to test it, but it should be fine, with the right hardware.
Thanks...
redpacman
Feb 19 2008, 04:28 PM
pimpmaul69, your cable rocks!
are u still making those?
can you make me one?
i tried to contact you through private messega, but you didn't reply
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