QUOTE(h3avygauge @ Jun 1 2006, 06:11 AM)
But that statement also brings up another question: For Sony (PS2) are you stating that companies such as Electronic arts, Neversoft, Aklaim etc. or for Xbox Electronic arts, Monster games etc. dont produce thier own games (Im not doubting just questioning) if this is a fact then how do the game companies get their games to MS or sony for resale or how do they get the games that they have created to play on the consoles for game proposal- well before the game has been marketed?
There's several things here that play a role. Game makers can release debug games that would play on a wider veriaety of systems that don't contain media checks. Really none of these game makers produce their own final/commercial/golden master DVDs although they may make DVD-R versions for prerelease for the press that would play on debug systems. You need to read about the manufacture of commercial DVDs. A DVD-R or DVD-R D/L is never reproduced into a commercial DVD (although it can contain the files used to make a commercial DVD.) All commercial DVDs that have DSS encryption must be made into a glass master first. Not a DVD-R. So techincally, to answer your question, "yes" none of these game makers actually make their DVDs. As to how they get them to a DVD manuf. facility? They usually ship each layer on a seperate DLT tape. They can also SCP or FTP the layers.
You are right in stating I have never made a 1:1 backup of a DVD sorry for the misrepresentation I consider it a 1:1 in that while viewing everthing is the same however obviously the DVD needs to be shrank to fit onto a DVD 5 from a DVD 8.... Which in all honesty Im sure there is a vendor out there that would sell DVD writeable 8's to the public so everything would fit but then software would probably need to be modified etc.
You mean DVD9s. Yes, they exist. I have a bunch. They are a bit more expensive. But even if you use them you will never get a 1:1 copy. The DVD inventors made sure the writable media doesn't have security sectors (only glass masters do) so a DVD-R D/L cannot duplicate the encryption information and it is physically impossible to make a 1:1 copy of a DVD even with D/L media. The burners can't write to those areas and the writable media doesn't have those areas. The people who own the patents license the technology and they say what the spec is.
My point is if a company is using a certain type of media, a certain type of burner, etc. it is most definatley available to the public as well you just have to find the right person/people to ask and have the right amount of money but it could be done....
Dude, I'm a hacker. If this was possible I would have done it already. The point is, I don't have a manufacturing facility to press discs based on the glass master, nor can I manufacture my own glass master. That's what they use. Commerical discs are not "burned" nor are they made directly from burned discs.
back to your comment about the 1 master copy DVD which MS burns to make all the games and is also made of glass:
1st how did they make this glass one,
please read about the DVD creation process. If you cannot tell me how a glass master is created, then you shouldn't yet be asking these questions, you need to do some more research.
where does it write from/to and obviously they dont have 1 master copy... Im sure they wouldnt shut down an "assembly line" for days heaven forbid that 1 master glass disc should break, scratch, chip etc. and furthermore MS is a pretty big company, Im 99.9% sure there isnt 1 master copy in 1 building which makes games for around the world, in different languages, and does this for 100's of games all in time to get them for xmas..... sounds a little Santa Clausish to me which goes back to my original statement of:
Although there may be 1 company there is definatley not 1 Master copy... seems like they would speed this up a lil in making a dupe DVD somehow and sending that out to all the different MS game factory locations around the world instead of sending glass ones which could get damaged along the way.
didn't mean to imply there was only 1
in closing I will buy the encryption statment, and buy the statement about the companies using their own software for their own console- in looking at the later statement it would be like panasonic making movie DVD's for the Model PAN-1210 model and they only play on that model, I understand that, but I wont buy the statement about MS using only 1 Glass Master Copy for all the different game plants and having to rotat that 1 master copy around... in business terms thats just not carrier friendly. I still believe there is a way to take out the security checks, add a bootup sequence so the console reads it, and copy the files so it will play.