what can you do with an xbox dev kit or debug kit? what are they like on the inside, are they just modified regular xboxes? or are they much better with better ram and graphics?

does anyone know?

i think all they have is a pinheader already installed. thats what i heard

i think debug has 128 ram

Yeah, that's pretty much it.
And they have the XDK.

xbox development kit is for making programs a.k.a dashboards apps and emu which are .xbe files (xbox executable) nuff said

im in shock that a mod hasnt seen your sig dude

reported his sig

hahah that's rediculous.


but um...i'm pretty sure the dev kits can't play games.

Well this should be in the development section.But to answer your question dev kit and debug kits are alot dirrerent than a retail.They came with 128ram,pinheader.Also the hardware on the motherboard is different.The Nvidia chip is different,the onbaord bios is already write enabled.And dev kits are used for the development of xbox games,there are Serial Kd and Scsi ports on the back of DVT4(dev kits)For using kernal debuging and using the dvd emu card.Debug kits are for finding bugs in a game,playing beta games and reviewing games,but a dev kit can do the same plus more.I used to own both of them.But who ever said a dev kit cant play is wrong,they can do everything a retail can do plus and hell of alot more.I have a couple of pics of both dev kit and debug kit motherboards and more if anyone wants to see.

Indeed they do, the proper XDK has 128MB RAM, also debug kits have 128MB RAM, some of the early prototype debug type boxes only have 64MB, most of which were for live testing i belive.



So basically you don't really know?

Yes however you can use them for making various utilities etc, but mainly they are used for gaming, debug boxes are used for debugging games.



Thats kind of true but not. A standard debug / XDK can't play original (retail) games, however they can play all backups without any modifications as they are not signed for retail. However it is possible to play retail games by installing a patch on the debug / XDK system.


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Ok so for anyone who hasn't already bothered to read that, an XDK can be used for creating / compiling games / utilities ie programs and dashboards etc. It can also be used for debugging games aswell, they also usually come with a controller tester, and you can get alot of different applications for testing and modifying games and hardware. The real XDK has extra ports on the back of the box, it usually stands about an inch taller than a standard xbox and is crystal. The extra ports are SCSI, USB, SERIAL. You use the SCSI which connects to a raptor card in a PC which has its own HDD connected to it, this allows you to put games on the HDD and play them on the XDK without using a disk, this is so developers can test games or whatever without having to burn a disk after each modification made. the USB port is used for reflashing the BIOS but isn't accessable unless you remove the cover. the SERIAL port is used for debugging and is connected to the PC also. This comes as standard with 128MB RAM and runs the XDK launcher software as its primary dashboard. These units also don't use the retail X3 MPCX chipset, they use the X2 MCPX chipset which is very rare and hard to find as its only found in development / prototype xboxs.

Debug boxes usually come in a green colour (abit like the halo edition boxes, but most of these do say debug kit on the front) Although mine doesn't say debug kit on the front of it, its the real deal so don't worry. Some didn't say this when they came out. I belive they were the earlier versions. These are used for developing games etc also, but are really made for debugging games. These also won't play retail games but will play backups, however you can get the same patch for the debug kit boxes and play retail on these also. This also runs the XDK launcher software as its primary dashboard. This one also has the non-retail X2 MCPX chipset.

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Ok just so the guys who don't know what i'm talking about i'll post a couple of pics of some of my gear for you to see as followed so enjoy















EDIT: haha pikkon you beat me to replying

Oh I guess I did,I have some pics of the insides of dev and debug kits.
Here are the debug kit pics.



And here are some dev kit pics.

I heard something about alpha xboxs, anyone have any of those?

Well you can check out oldengineer's web site.Just look in the xbox section.
http://www.oldengineer.com/

Also most of the alpha kits were destroyed,mainly the hdd.Most of the ones found today
do not include the original hdd.There are recovery disc for the alpha kits but they are
almost impossible to find.But you can use the alpha kit as a regular PC and install a OS of choice.

Yeah as Pikkon said, most of the Alpha kits were destroyed, they were the original 'prototype' xboxs. I don't own one, but would love to get my hands on one, but they are very rare, i remember one time they had alot go through on eBay all without HDD's which made them kind of useless, still an interesting bit of kit all the same.

Anyway Pikkon thanks for the PM also

Here's a pic of three of my Alpha Dev Kits and a prototype Hammerhead controller. I run two Alpha I's and one Alpha II.

All work perfectly and are not to be confused with a standard P.C.

They don't require legacy devices such as keyboards to boot up and they will only recover by using the gamepad buttons for input, just like a regular Xbox.

The specs are:

-733mhz Intel p3

-VC 820 Intel motherboard

-256mb RDRAM (upgrade)

-20gb HDD

-GeForce 3 gfx with custom Engineering bios (upgrade)

-Prototype Interact Hammerhead USB gamepad

-DVD drive

-Internal floppy drive

-Custom sound card (upgrade)

-Custom USB card


The following pic shows

-A complete set of recovery/sdk discs from May'00 - May'01

-GeForce 2 gfx (originally fitted early 2000)

-Various different disc packages and release notes




Hope this helps

wow those are pretty neat what do u do with them?

I never get tired at looking at those oe

You lucky bastard

Lol, indeed, although come to think of it why is this thread in the case mod section rather than the Dev section?

*OE stares @ Flexmaster Frag*

WHERE THE HELL DO YOU PEOPLE GET THESE THINGS?!?!

like the dev kits and debugs

did you steal them from M$?

did they pack them one year?

and about the alpha devs
can you play halo 2 on XBL?

that would be pimpin

old enginer do you own all those devkits on your site. That gamecube one is sooooooooooooo cool. Could you dump us some softwarezs

i'd pay some good money for those green duke controllers those are sweet and i hate s-controllers

I would also like to know where you guys get the XDK's and Alpha's.

You can find the dev and debug kits on ebay occaisionaly. Thats what i did

old engineer, those are beautiful. How does the interact controller feel, and with a usb-xbox adapter does it work in an xbox?

True...but who did the xboxes come from originally. Who was the first owner...and how did he get it?

old engineer

so what all can you do with a alpha xbox? so these are the first xboxs ever made right? and do yours have the original hard drives?

Since i don't think old engineer pops into the case modding section too often, i guess i'll answer some questions...

so what all can you do with a alpha xbox? = you can compile code on another computer and run it on the alpha. Some things run faster, some slower. You need special .xe executables to run on this system.


so these are the first xboxs ever made right? = In a manner of speaking, yes. At least how you would think of a traditional working xbox.


and do yours have the original hard drives? = his do, yes. As does mine.


True...but who did the xboxes come from originally = Originally all devkits belonged to M$. How each one got to its current owner is an individual story for each system. Note that most alphas were ordered to be returned to M$ to be destroyed.


old enginer do you own all those devkits on your site = yes he does, just as i own all the ones on my site.


can you play halo 2 on XBL? = No... just no


why is this thread in the case mod section rather than the Dev section? = Good question?

you can see all sorts of dev hardware at my site, http://www.gamerhistory.com