First, let me say that I first played Halo 2 on XBC. It was great but the lag was quite annoying. I then found Kai, which was IMO much cleaner and straightforward. Then I decided to activate my 2-month free trial. My clsoe friend simultaneously did the same. We were addicted to it. Virtually no lag and you could find games quick. I decided to get a year. I didn't renew at the end for several reasons:

1. Most of the time I played, there were standbyers and modders.

2. Near the end of my subscription, Bungie cracks down on cheaters. All's good, until I am at ~level 30 and I get bridged every single game. In Xlink there are a couple of modders, but they usually don't go into other people's games. There will be an occassional asshole(i.e. Blue Tooth), but there aren't many.

3. With my crappy comcast connection (4 mbps down/384 kbps up), I would never get host and as a result, I would get cheated every game.

4. $50 a year for one game. Yes, I'm cheap, but I can't help wodner some people play 3 or more games on XBL, but still pay $50 a year.

5. Commitment.

6. Utterly dumb games implemented in MM. I mean I never get SWAT which I'm great at, but now I have to play landgrab? Yes I know about the Team SWAT playlist, but that came afterwards. WAY after most of the fun was had. In Xlink you can choose what to play with no fuss.

7. Ranks. Somebody quits on your team and you feel frustrated. In Xlink, people can join and leave as they please.

8. Friends list. With XBL you may think you're closer to people with the friends list, but not really. In XLink, you get to play with the same people for many games. On live, this was not the case. Getting a custom game with frineds up and running is such a hassle.

9. Little kids. The perecentage of whiny little kids on Xlink is much less than XBL, and even then many of these kiddies can't afford mics.

10. No modding custom games in XBL. Occasionally some "good" modders come to XLink and have mods which give special abilities to everyone in the game. It's quite fun. The host set it to magnums , no shields, on midship. The weird thing was the magnums would hit someone and they would fly across the room with more force than a rocket impact. If you shoot the floating platform a couple of times it moves like crazy and slants to one side, so you can jump to the platform from one of the big rooms.

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Shortly after giving up XBL, I disconnected my Comcast internet and got Verizon's FiOS(5 mbps down/2 mbps up) and can now host 16 players on Xlink with no complaints from either me or the other players about lag. If you find a good server, then there is no lag. I can even host people from Mexico with no lag(I live in Maryland).

and if you hate custom games youl hate xlink which is why I saved my money to get a new hdd/eeprom to be unbanend form live. Plus like 1/2 the people using xlink use mics which sux while 99% of people on xbl use mics. If xlink made a rating system like xbl I would switch back to xlink in a heart beat. Its just that xlink is like an online 24/7 lanparty kinda. XBL gives you reason to play, to get better ratings. The only thing xlink is laking is a rating system like I said above, if they can pull that off they will be like gods.

I would have to disagree. Having the rating system brings nothing but negative effects. It is the only reason to cheat on Live. If people couldn't improve their ranking then they would have to face the reality that they are losers. Instead, even though they are still losers they cannot see it because they are Ub3r lvl 30 Pwnz0r!

Next, what does the ranking show? How good you are? No. If you play every day non-stop like people do with WoW and used to do with Halo2 you are a loser. Your high ranking simply shows that all you do is play this game and that you have no life and you're a loser. Since I'm not speaking of anyone in particular, it's not a putdown towards anyone.... it's simply reality. Video games are supposed to be a fun relief from reality. People have been trying to get high scores since video games were introduced but getting a high ranking in online halo2 is like being the kid at pizza hut trying to get the high score in Pac-Man. If you find yourself doing this, it may be time to consider a 4th trimester abortion.

That is not true, the ranking system was made so you'd play people that were even to you in skill so you'd play the same ranks and you could further your skills. Which is why custom games were made when you dont want to play a ranked game then get a custom game going it isn't that hard. Finally just because you have a high rank doesn't mean you dont have a life sure theres people who only have a high rank cause they've played 2,000+ games but there are people out there who have a life and are still really good.

excuse all the errors in this

A lot of people play XBL with fellow classmates and friends. Me and a lot of friends at my High school used to play loads of Halo 2 for countless hours, the game is a complete time sink. It was a place to hang out and just talk while playing a fun game. Sounds like your just a little bit sour from getting t-bagged too many times

It was designed for that purpose, yes. It turned out to do anything BUT what it was designed for. Everyone cheated to get their ranking up. Everyone says if you don't like matchmaking play customs. Yeah, I might as well be playing xlink or xbconnect because I have to invite people. The whole point of live for me is so I can just get in a game quickly. Finally, yes because people have a high rank DOES mean you have no life and play the game all the time. Nobody is good enough to win every game they play and just keep leveling up. I'm sorry but you're simply wrong.







So you're telling me that just because I don't like the ranking system in Halo2 and feel that it ruined the online play that I MUST not be any good at it and that's why I'm saying that? Great reasoning. You are clearly the smartest mentally handicapped kid around.

Ah yes, lets make fun of handicapped people, how fun. Jackass

Keep that stuff on a skinhead forum please.

lol, you proved my point right there with that remark. Nobody made fun of handicapped people. I made fun of you. You should really have your mom with you while you're online that way things like this don't happen in the future.

Clearly you are showing how smart you are, so with your logic if I had called you a faggot. That wouldn't in any way be offensive to a gay person? Same with using the word handicapped in a negative way. So please, keep the comments to yourself and don't try to act all high and mighty, you aren't impressing anyone with your ignorance.

Ha... nobody comes in an online forum to impress people. You simply tried to put me down for my point of view and now you've decided to be on the losing side of an argument.



If you had called me a faggot I would have had to do something that might lead you to believe that I were a homosexual. Either that or you're just an idiot. Since I haven't said or done anything that might lead you to believe such a thing your analogy doesn't apply. You said some very ignorant and childish things. To compare you to a mentally handicapped person seems more and more appropriate for you every time you post.

Now, who again is acting childish and ignorant? When did I ever try to put you down? I may have poked fun at you, but your comment about people who play a lot of Halo 2 are losers is simply un-true, how can you assume out of all players what their life is like? Or is that it? You enjoy making others lives seem miserable too inflate your own? . Please stop, with every post you make your digging yourself into a deeper hole.

I think I'll let the people reading all of this decide that.

get a room you two

You are acting "childish and ignorant". You took each quote out of context with some not even being directed towards you but the way you quoted them made it seem that way.

You tried to put me down in each post. That's why you're still posting here.

My comment about people who play a lot of Halo2 is correct. How can I assume what someone's life is like? That's the thing genious.... you don't HAVE to assume. You see it on Bungie.net. You can see that they don't do anything but play Halo2.

Is it that I enjoy making others lives miserable to inflate my own? #1 I'm not making anyone's life miserable. None of the people mentioned are reading this because they are superjumping in Halo2 right now. #2 How does that even work anyways? How do you make someone miserable by observing facts and pointing them out? Even further, how would that make YOU feel better? It doesn't make any sense. Neither do any of your posts. The fact still remains, you didn't like my point of view so you came in here and started putting me down. Now that I have made you look like a fool you keep posting trying to put me down. I feel bad for you and have considered not posting here anymore. If you weren't so aggressive and trying so hard to put me down I might, but since you're trying so hard but getting nowhere it's too fun to pass up.

In response to #1, I never said you were making anyones life miserable Read that again, I clearly say "seem" miserable, unless you have little understanding of the English language then I don't know how you could possibly interpret that. You are not making anyones life miserable, but you are making their lives seem miserable, do you understand? And yes, that is what your doing when you insult many people by saying they have no lives. I see no purpose to this except to inflate your own life, by making other's seem terrible.

Again your ignorance is showing when you group people together by saying This is the mentality of a racist. You are basically categorizing tens of thousands of people into the "no life" group just because they play a lot of Halo 2.

So your opinion is the one everyone must follow? We cannot offer objections or criticism? I thought a forum was a public meeting or assembly for open discussion, not a BCfosheezy posts and we take his every word and agree with it.

Face the facts, you don't like people who dis-agree with you, especially someone with less posts then you. I'm not being the aggressive one here, you are. Again, I think the people outside of the arguement can choose who is "getting nowhere."
But as I can see you don't really like others thinking for themselves or having their own opinions.
How can I be the aggressive one when you specifically state that you are getting "fun" out of attacking me?

Well I did read that but thought the word "seem"didn't belong because it made no sense. I never said anywhere that anyone had a miserable life. I merely said they have no life because they play Halo2 all the time. Those two things are rational, can be proven by going to bungie.net and you have no legs to stand on there. If you think that playing a video game in all of your free time makes you miserable then that's your opinion.



First you say:





Then you go on to say:



What? Make a complete thought. I think you just generalized people into racists because they think a certain way. These two statements contradict one another. This one is a hypocritical statement and does not apply because nowhere have we been discussing being racist. Your attempts to attack me are not only invalid, they are downright laughable.







Let me remind you of your first post in this thread:





It was YOU who first attacked me for MY opinion. You're just not quite quick enough to turn your faults around on me.



Now I got a particular kick out of this one....... I don't have to say anything to it to make you look silly to everyone else reading this post as you keep referring to.... but I will just so YOU know. (Plus anyone reading this thread will not pick a side. They will think we're both idiots.... and we probably are for arguing over such a silly thing.)







I don't mind people disagreeing with me any more than anyone else. Not any more than YOU do. That's why you're still arguing. That's why you posted here in the first place. Next you mention post count. I don't care how many posts you have and never mentioned it. You're the only one that even noticed that. It shows a lack of self-esteem and that you care about internet notoriety. If I could give you some posts I would..... they don't matter to me. I'm the agressor? Then why am I simply defending myself in my posts but YOU'RE the one coming up with new things like post counts and racism and stuff like that, that NOBODY ELSE brought up? Yeah, since I've proven in every case that you have no point and no logical skills.... yeah I'm pretty confident about my side if anyone outside of the argument gave a crap and read this. The next line is funny too. Where did I EVER state that I was getting fun out of attacking you? I said that I was having fun defending myself because you have been trying to hard to put me down but cannot. Again you lose.

Honestly, it doesn't matter, we could probably argue for the next 25 posts. I'm done. You win ok? Is that what you wanted all along?

The only thing you said that makes sense

Peace

Reading this topic makes babies cry. I am so tired of hearing how many cheaters there are at level 30's and so on. Guess what guys? There aren't that many. That's a bullshit excuse. I'm a 34, and in my past 25 games of slayer, guess how many times I've been cheated? Zero. You know why? It's because I'm not an idiot. It's called waiting for host box, and if you're too stupid to do that, then you don't deserve to be playing anyway. If I was like a 25, I'd almost guarantee that I could go in alone all the way up to 31 or 32 with only getting cheated one or two times, tops.

Modding/Standbying has given people a full-fire excuse to why they lost their levels, and I'm tired of hearing it. You don't get cheated that often, and even if you do, there are simple ways to make sure that you don't.

I'd have to say one out of every four BTB Skirmish I'm getting "modded". Either it's stand-by or out right modding. Most people don't get host box. If you don't realize that.... count how many people you're playing against. Then times that by how many games you've played and had host. with 728/256 I can't get host box. so wtf am I supposed to do??? Pretend Im not getting bridged out of a game?

Personally, I have issues with xlink AND xbox live. Xbox live has WAY more modders then xlink. But xbl has WAY more game types readily available to play any time. The only game people play on xlink is freaking SWAT. Which takes NO skill. Or tower of power, which is gayer then the newb combo. Personaly I've gotten good enough at killing I need to do something while I kill people. I can sit in the hill, win with the most time and still have the most kills and people will complain about the game type?! Kill on the way to the hill. and people are going to come to you to get killed. How can you be against that??
Grenade whoring in SWAT or spawn killing in ToP isn't my idea of fun. I'd rather have my tripple un-freakin-beleiveable while I'm holding down some territories or something then sitting in one spot spawn killing people with no sheilds.
It's also extreamly hard for me to find a decent host on xlink to get a btb skirmish going. it usually starts the pop-lag once it hits about 8 people. At the same time you can sit on the configuring game screen on live for hours at a time some nights waiting for that one extra person.

Both of them have their ups and downs. Me, I use both. Mainly because I have freinds that don't have xbox live and can only play on xlink. If the xlink users would start playing some ctf or assault I think I'd play on xlink more.

That's why i gave up halo2, and play CoD2 on the 360. And it actually reqires skills like halo 1 did.

Actually host box doesn't guarantee that you don't get cheated...just that someone won't bridge host. But that doesn't mean they won't standby for host or start standbying if they happen to get host in the game. I do get standbyed/bridged a good bit now that everyone has decided to cheat in Team Snipers (favorite playlist ). I was a 40 in snipers a few weeks ago, and when you get up toward the higher levels people will back out of a game even when one 1 person has host box (hence can't bridge) b/c everyone wants it. But look, modding is not nearly as common as people try to make it seem, so it's a dumb excuse. If you get modded, just quit and play something else so that you don't get paired with the modder again. I see a modder like once a month. The only problem I have with XLink is that the competition that is on Live isn't always there. I usually play in this one game where there are some good people, but that's about the only game I've found. And tower of power has got to be the gayest gametype ever invented.

heh no way.. whenever I get modded I make those bastards wait the full game length, I usually go hide somewhere and spam the cheater (and his tag alongs) friend requests over and over and over again.. it usually annoys the piss out of them.

And thats how I get small satisfactication when i get modded.

[quote name='Odb718' date='Aug 17 2006, 03:39 AM' post='3606784']
I'd have to say one out of every four BTB Skirmish I'm getting "modded". Either it's stand-by or out right modding. Most people don't get host box. If you don't realize that.... count how many people you're playing against. Then times that by how many games you've played and had host. with 728/256 I can't get host box. so wtf am I supposed to do??? Pretend Im not getting bridged out of a game?[/quote]
Yeah, actually, I will give you BTB skirmish, because there is a large volume of off host modders in there. But again, it can take you some of your best halo moments (like beating modders etc.).[/quote]

[quote]Actually host box doesn't guarantee that you don't get cheated...just that someone won't bridge host. But that doesn't mean they won't standby for host or start standbying if they happen to get host in the game. I do get standbyed/bridged a good bit now that everyone has decided to cheat in Team Snipers (favorite playlist ). I was a 40 in snipers a few weeks ago, and when you get up toward the higher levels people will back out of a game even when one 1 person has host box (hence can't bridge) b/c everyone wants it. But look, modding is not nearly as common as people try to make it seem, so it's a dumb excuse. If you get modded, just quit and play something else so that you don't get paired with the modder again. I see a modder like once a month. The only problem I have with XLink is that the competition that is on Live isn't always there. I usually play in this one game where there are some good people, but that's about the only game I've found. And tower of power has got to be the gayest gametype ever invented.[/quote]
Standbying for host is the one loophole to get cheated, that is correct, but I've never seen anybody standby for host at anything under a 34. And yeah, I do have sympathy for 40's because it is nearly impossible to find games, but for a 30? I'm sorry, but it just isn't.

[quote]That's why i gave up halo2, and play CoD2 on the 360. And it actually reqires skills like halo 1 did.[/quote]
Don't be angry at Halo 2 just because you couldn't adjust from the pistol to the BR.

Bah quote system got messed up.

Heh yeah I meant quit the playlist, but I do the same. Actually got a kill frenzy once on Terminal b/c I got away from the spawn and started unloading sniper rounds on the modder and his teammates (had it so one shot blew you across the map), buuuuuuut didn't last long once the ole modder spawned again.

The BR is all i use in halo2. I just wish there was a gametype that was always TS with BR.

Halo 2 has too much Auto Aim and a much larger hit box then halo 1........halo 2 was a breath of fresh air for those who suck at FPS.

HAHA... that is one of the funniest posts I've ever heard. You're recommending everyone get host. That is Hilariously stupid. Who are you going to play if everyone takes your advice? That's like saying everyone quit work and get on welfare. The fact remains that people cheat. They do it for 1 reason. They do it to boost their ranking. If the ranking is really so like-skilled players are more likely to be matched up then fine, hide the ranking so the players don't know what each other's ranks are. Why do you think there are less cheaters on Xlink? A network that will NOT ban you for mods. Why do you think that is? It's obviously because of the rankings. The ONLY reason you guys defend the rankings is because you are into them too. It's just sad. Why do you care what you're ranking in an online game? Also, online play would be improved due to fewer campers and people who play cheaply so they don't lose and drop ranking. If it really doesn't matter if you lose, you're just playing for fun there's no reason to be cheap.

Reading that post made me want to commit suicide. I'm recommending it to the players who are bitching at the system. zomg ppl cheet for ranks, no wai. You'd de surprised to how easy it is to get a game, even at 35's and such. So until you get a taste of what it's like, I'd suggest for you to shut the fuck up, until you know what you're talking about.



I'll tell you what. Why don't you join an MLG custom game of mine. We'll see how easy it is then.

All i play is MLG. I did not say halo2 was easy, i said it takes less skills then halo1. Mainly do to the inceased auto-aim and larger hit box. These are facts, so deal with it.

Lol maybe you should speak with a professional about that. Don't act all high and mighty like because I don't like the game, that I didn't have a high rank when I used to play. I DO know what I'm talking about and saying "shut the fuck up" is hardly a way to defend your position. Once you get past 13 or 14 it doesn't work anymore. You didn't rebut ANY of my points. You didn't have ANY valid points. Until you can do that, you're wasting your time. You're saying you were recommending getting host only to those bitching about the system but:







That post right there proves you're lying about what you meant. It's also funny that you recommend to people in a game that does not explicitly tell you who is hosting that they should get host. Yes there are ways to tell but the game was not designed for that and you have to quit out of games until you get host. That's sad and not to mention that most people do not have fast enough upstream to host 7 other xboxs and make everyone else's game laggy. It's a bad suggestion and since it has to be suggested it actually proves my point. It proves that Live is a bad environment due to cheating. If you go on XLink and see the number of cheaters there vs. Live you'll also see that I'm correct in the ranking issue. You're wrong in every way. You've lied and suggested some silly things. You should just stop now.

Agreed.

I got up to lvl 29 in TS just by joining as a single, and after so many times of getting cheated on and not being able to find games with starting BR , i just said F-it. The best where i live has to offer is a pathetic 256k up and down, so hosting is not even an option.

I just wish there was a TS MLG section with no radar. That might make me start playing again.

You're trying to tell me that most people can't host 7 other xboxes on their connection? All you need is a high speed connection. Even if you don't wait for host box, explain to me how that allows for a greater chance of a non-laggy connection? What are you going to quit out of every game that you don't get host box in, in order to have somebody else to get host? Does that not have the same chance of having a non-laggy connection. I don't want to hear about how "the game was not designed for that." The game wasn't designed for cheating either now was it? What's the worst of the two? Leting cheaters prevail or waiting for host box?

You have never addressed my point in that, other than arguements such as those. If you wait for host box, you have an extremely good chance of not getting cheated. If you listen to your xbox to check for an old map, that does even more so.



Nobody ever said that live isn't a bad enviorment for cheating. The point was, that with small precautions, you can minimize it.

And I don't care about the number from Xlink Kai to XBL. As said above, yeah there is a lot of cheating on live, but, there's easy ways to beat it.

This only works if you have an old xbox, not with new ones.

It is also quite tedious to wait for host boxes unless you have a full party, if you going in on your own or with another player it could take a while to get host boxes to reduce the chances of getting bridged/modded.

That being said, the whole point of playing the game is to enjoy it no? And cheating will never completely die. So probably the best thing to do is not get so caught up in the whole rank thing and perhaps you won't be annoyed so much when you do get cheated.

That is true, although it's less important if you're going in as a single, because almost every cheater, cheats with a team. So, I do agree, that it is more of a team tactic.



I agree, I actually stopped waiting for host box quite a while ago. If I get cheated, I get cheated, it doesn't really bother me anymore.

Didn't I say this too you?


Waiting for host box doesn't prevent you from getting modded, it just means that the modder doesn't have host mods. AKA:The map is default, no vehicles that aren't meant to be there are there, but the modder has auto-aim, super speed etc...etc....

Recently even when my 4 person party waits for host box, in the start of the game, none of us get host. It goes to the other team, this has happened probably 5/6 times we have boxed host in the past day or so.

Lol "high speed" is a generic term. You're horribly incorrect when you say "All you need is a high speed connection". There is a minimum requirement to the amount of upstream you must have to host 7 xboxs lag free. Also, your whole next point is mute because Halo2 attempts to give the player with the best connection host. If you have slow upstream as most "high speed" users do and you didn't quit out of games in order for live to set you up a new game and make you host, then you would almost never be host. How does it help games to be less laggy? If you have a small amount of upstream and are hosting a game that requires you to send data to 7 other machines thus overtaxing your connection, all of those people are going to lag. If you have a limited connection but are simply a client, you may have enough upstream to send your data to the host and not lag. If you don't, the only person you'll lag is yourself.



Next I will quote you from a previous post:



recent post:

minimize or completely irradicate? make up your mind. At any rate it doesn't matter. Getting host is silly, impractical and proves that point that if you feel you have to do that so you get a fair game then it's a messed up system. Not to mention if you have host every game you have a distinct advantage over all the other players. You can keep posting these things all day long but it doesn't matter because it's either cheat or be cheated. Nothing you say can prove otherwise that the system is not very good. Nothing you say can disprove my point that the rating system encourages people to cheat. It does. It's obvious plain and simple. That was my original point and nobody has even tried to argue it.







Yes you did but it didn't make sense when you said it because I was defending myself and you were attacking me. lol



It doesn't matter what waiting for host does or doesn't allow the other players to do. It's that it gives the host a distinct advantage, it shouldn't have to be done, and the simple fact that people can manipulate the game in this manner and do proves that the system is horribly flawed.

I do agree that host itself is an utterly idiotic concept, and I pray it isn't implemented in Halo 3. My point is that waiting for host box doesn't increase any chances of having a player with host who would make the game lag, compared to random players joining matchmaking. Somebody in the MM pregame will get host box, whether they want it or not. There will always be somebody, or a team, waiting in the pregame, with hostbox, if they were waiting for it or not. And even if that wasn't so, bungie gives the host to the connection in which the other players can best connect to, not whether the player has a good connection or not (although it does help). Basically the point I'm trying to make is that a player may get host (randomly) and still lag up the game. For instance, I could be downloading a large file, or have my router jammed with alternate connections, but I still may get host if my connection is easy to connect to for other players. Now, having a generally good connection does help to get host, but there is a fairly significant chance that the game will still lag.



Minimize. Don't act like you can get rid of cheating on Xlink Kai either, because you can't.

Your first few points are opinions. I don't understand how you can consider patience cheating. You're being stubborn. No matter how many times you can call getting host box "silly" or "impractical," the fact of the matter is, that it almost always works, and is very effective against cheating.

Everybody knows that there cheating in the rating system, and that's something I'll admit to. Like I said Xlink isn't perfect either..

Yes, I'm sure I was...

I never said the concept of host was idiotic. I said your suggestions were. Host is a necessary evil at the present time for online gaming until someone thinks up another way to do it. Your point is totally erroneous. How it is supposed to works is, live sends a big packet of data to all users. The connection that receives and sends the packet/s back first will be host. If a player happened to be downloading or any of the other scenarios you mentioned, they would be overlooked as host. There is no way to tell who has the best connection. I doubt live calls your isp and asks what package you have. At any rate this does not guarantee that the game will not lag, because there are so many factors involved in what will or will not lag. The whole point was that EVERYONE can't wait for host. If they did, nobody would ever match up and play. Use your head. The host HAS the advantage because he does not lag no matter what. The deck is stacked because the host sees everything a fraction of a second before anyone else does. In short, it's an unfair and downright silly suggestion. Give up and admit that if you have to do such a thing to "Minimize" cheating then the whole deal is messed up.





Again, I never said that. If you were comprehending you would know that I have been saying the rating system gives incentive for people to cheat..... to increase their rankings. On XLink people play for fun. It's not fun for very long to cheat. People don't do it as much on XLink plain and simple. This is fact.








If by "patience" you mean waiting for host then it IS cheating based on the aforementioned statements. It gives a distinct advantage and therefore is cheating. Just because someone has to be host in every game does not give an individual the right to TAKE it every game. It then gives a consistent advantage rather than an occasional advantage and has been TAKEN rather than given. This makes it cheating since it is defeating the system in order to gain an advantage. I don't understand what you don't get about that. Bottom line, the rankings give incentive to cheat and it has spawned a TON of problems. Get rid of those and you won't have to worry about cheating anymore. It would be so rare nobody would even care.






Dude give it up.... I'm sad for you.

I gave it up a few posts back if you remember...It's you who keeps firing the bullets!

Oh really? Lol you're lying again.

I hadn't said anything to you since that last post you made and then you come up with this out of the blue.





Then I restated facts in my next post and you sarcasticly made this comment:





Seriously, you're not going to be able to turn it around and make me the agressor here. You said you wanted to stop, I stopped. You said you wouldn't post here anymore. You did. You've come in here out of the blue twice and tried to pick on my posts. You've been unsuccessful both times. YOU initiated the conversation both times. It's fact. It's all provided as evidence in this very same thread. Why didn't you just stop when you said you were going to stop?

The point about "what would happen if everybody did it, nobody would ever find a match" is ridiculously retarded. That's like saying, "What if everyone rode a bike? The gas companies would go out of business"
It isn't going to happen, and if you have to make the point to attempt to re-enforce your arguement, that's pathetic. You keep claiming that waiting for host box is "cheating." I'll tell you what, you find me an article or rule on bungie that clearly states that waiting for host box is cheating, and I'll drop my entire arguement right now. Hate to tell you bud, but you don't make the rules, bungie does.

No kidding the system is messed up. My god you're stupid, we've established that about 95 times now. Just because you're too lazy to wait for host box, doesn't mean that's everybody elses problem. It isn't cheating until you prove it, so don't even try to bring that point up again.




I know 4 modders who mod on Xlink. 3 of them do it simply to piss people off. So there goes your point.
I will guarantee you that in terms of a volume of games:modders in games, that XBL's ratio is better.





Look above.

Now, considering Xlink has no matchmaking system at all, every single point you have about cheaters is now invalid. Xlink is like a poor, laggy XBL customs-only system. Except for the fact that you can't mod old maps on live, and if a modder tries to join your custom game, goodbye to him (boot).

I was actually trying to be joking, notice the You could have just ignored it, but no, you have to have the last word. And if you actually remember I DID say that to you.

But I can see now that you like starting arguements with people, I guess some people get a kick out of it.

Lol. The retarded part about is your statement and I quote:



No matter whether everyone will do it or not, you suggested it and that's what I was saying was silly.... your suggestion. Don't try to switch it up or take the focus off of the real point. Your suggestion was not smart. It doesn't make sense and you're just plain wrong about the whole deal. My point is and has always been that Halo2's rating system ruins the online play. No matter what kind of silly points you try to come up with will never prove otherwise. I don't have to find an article on Bungie to prove that waiting for host is cheating. All I have to do is remind you that they set live up so nobody knows who is host and is random so nobody gets host every time. This is obvious and the fact that you need it spelled out is just sad. I liked the "Hate to tell you" statement. It's hilarious because Bungie DID make the rules. They designed it so you have no control who gets host and you're not even supposed to know who has it. There's a way to beat the system and get host that bungie didn't intend to have happen. Lol by your own definition you're wrong. Nice try though.





Thanks for the putdown. Look just because you're wrong and you can't prove ME wrong you don't have to get frustrated and resort to childish putdowns. It has been proven before this debate ever came out.


I'm not talking about all of Live. I'm talking about Halo2. Live's ratio in that area is worse. Every post from people here says exactly the opposite of your claim here. Until you can prove them wrong by providing evidence rather than a "I will guarantee" comment then just quit. You're wrong and you have nothing to go on but statements like that. Give it up son and go lag and rape Halo2 players and brag about your high ranking




No point is invalid due to xlink not having a matchmaking system. Sorry you struck out with this post.







Some smily faces doesn't mean you can be sarcastic without anyone being able to defend theirself. Why would I have to ignore it when you directed it at me? I don't have to have the last word. For PROOF of this, refer to your post where you claimed that you were"Done". I didnt' reply at all to it because.... oh that's right. I dont' have to have the last word. I already agreed that you did say that to me. I never disputed that fact.



I have yet to start 1 argument with anyone. Quote me where I made the first comment to someone and started an argument in this thread. You're right though, some people must get a kick out of it. It must help their E-Ego. Maybe that's why you keep posting here.

If a team of four enters matchmaking, and there isn't another match for them, they'll get host box. It isn't random, idiot. If a team then goes into matchmaking and joins their game, they WILL NOT get host.




That's one of the most contradicting posts I've ever read. Let's compare the lag from xlink to XBL. Hmm. I have a perfect high green connection on XBL, and lag out of every other game on xlink. Yeah, but XBL is the more laggy of the two. Seriously, if you think that, you deserve to have your balls cut off, in hope that you can't procreate in this world.




Wow, nice comeback genius. The point was, that Xlink doesn't even have a matchmaking system. So take that away from XBL. Now lets compare. You can't cheat in Xbox live customs, or else you'll get booted. The lag on Xlink is unbearable whether you have a good connection or not, compared to XBL where its based on who gets host, and the person's individual connection.

If you had a brain in your head, you'd realize that XBL customs system is better than Xlink in it of itself. The matchmaking system is just an added bonus.



I knew that's why you disliked xbox live. You got raped by legit 25's who bragged about their levels. Well, guess what, if you play with real halo players, they won't give a shit about ranks.

Wow. You are doing a superb job at depicting your character. Here is exactly how it's done.



"Behind the scenes Halo 2's matchmaking works in a similar manner. You specify match criteria by choosing Optimatch, by choosing Quickmatch to quickly recall your last used criteria, or by changing your match settings once in a Pregame Lobby. You start the game from the lobby. Halo 2 then takes over, requesting a list of games that match your criteria from the Xbox Live servers, or sometimes deciding to create a game that fits your search criteria and advertising it to others. If you're not creating then Halo 2 evaluates the list of available games, determines the game with the best connection that best matches your match criteria, and tries to join it. If the join fails another game is chosen automatically and you again try to join it. Wash , rinse, repeat, all completely automated until a match is finally made."
Link to the whole Bungie article

Basically it IS random based on the bolded statement.



Well you actually proved my point here. Since there is no matchmaking on XLink one person sets up the game and it host. Since they chose to be host and most likely don't have enough upstream everyone will lag. You say XBL is the less laggy of the two. That's because A) you always steal host or live chooses a host with enough upstream and your experience is decent. Since Xbox Live uses the same netcode for Live as it does for system link, there is no difference between the two other than who is hosting.



It wasn't a comeback. It was fact, lol the point you tried to make didn't make any sense and you didn't give any supporting evidence. I merely stated that you were wrong and didn't provide any supporting evidence because you didn't deserve it. You proved my point again, why cheat in customs when there is no rank to achieve? If you're going to cheat you have to be host in most cases so nobody can boot you anyways. It's just that there's no point since you want a rank. You're wrong again.



I don't remember ever saying anything to the contrary.





Where did I ever say I disliked xbox live? Where did I ever say I got raped? Your assumptions and lies and poor discussion skills are growing tiresome. You have no good points. You're simply wrong everywhere and anyone can see that. You keep throwing putdowns with no basis. I'm wondering how old you are. You're acting very immature. Why did you take a peaceful discussion to an agressive level?

If you believe that then your a snail.

LOL!! Dude you can't argue with facts. That came straight from the Bungie website. I'm not a snail you ostrich.....

blah blah blah, my name is timmey, nah nah nah..... ppphhhhhh, ya, no, maybe, what? AHHH


so.... calm down or something you 2, man!, it was somewhat amusing the first page of ur argument, but like 4 pages? lol wow, and neither of you are the one who started this thread....



so in closing..... SHUT UP, lol

I wonder if ostrich eat snails

blob_54- A forum is a place for open discussion and arguements, thats what it's made for.

Lol before I editted it, it said: Since when has "snail" been a putdown? I opted for sarcasm because it helps illustrate the effect your comment had on me.

I Moose I, please stop. You have lost. Horribly. You do realize, now that BCfosheezy has spelled it out for you, that Xlink is set up a little different then XBL, right? If you have a perfect green connection in both Xlink and Live you will have a perfectly clean game. The fact that you can see your ping in xlink means xlink is better then live because you can see what you're getting into ahead of time.
XBL custom games has NOTHING on Xlink. How can you even think this? Back to the point about seeing people pings. You can't do this on live. If you create a room, and host a game, you have full control of how laggy the game will be and who's playing it. the XBL custom system is xlink with out the UI so how is this better?? Because people in your friends list are the ONLY people who can see the game?? You are an idiot. In live if some one joins your custom, and has a modded profile yes you can boot them. But unless the game is locked (which they wouldn't be able to join in the first place) they can just join again. With Xlink you can ban them from your room. How does Live win on this option? It doesn't.

Wth? is this even a thought? "waiting for host box doesn't increase any chances of having a player with host" Ok there dubya.
Your whole point was waiting for host was the end-all of any problems. I've read this sentence over and over and over, and are you trying to say that waiting for host actually decreases the chance of some one else getting host?!?! Well you're a god damn genius!

How can you not understand the fact that people don't have the bandwidth for host? I'd be lucky to be able to host 4 people clean.
Or the fact that waiting for host, standby'ing for host, doing anything to ensure you have host, is cheating?? It might not be as bad as a modded profile but it's still a type of cheating. It'd be like saying standby isn't cheating because it's only affecting bandwidth. Same deal with host. It makes sure YOU have bandwidth over everyone else.

I agree with Foe-hammer, Halo 2 has way too much auto-aim. It can actually work against you its so bad.