Can someone tell me what VMM is or what it does? I can set it to on or off but I can't tell the difference between the two. Also what difference does the CPU type make ASM68K or Musashi68k?

So nobody knows on this entire site?! A first

I have another question for you :
why are ppl always talking about fbaxxx pro? the "real" emu is fbaxxx.

The word pro makes it sound like a successor not a standalone. If you changed the name of fbaxxx to Super fbaxxx Hyper Turbo Championship edition 2 then people who don't know the difference will talk about that.

Then it'd sound like a street fighter game

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Honestly, it's pretty much your own fault. You quit working on FBAXXX for a long time and Pro was the only version continuing to be developed... with new games, fixes, and drivers being added. During that time many people switched. It would be like opcode or even Xport coming back to do more work on MAMEoX and wondering why everyone is now using MAMEoX 128 Plus.

but since then, there has been at least two updates, if you ask me, it is more because ppl go to the "usual place" where I can't put my releases because I don't have access anymore, so the fbaxxx that can be found there is outdated.
And like said, "pro" version is more than confused for a lot of ppl.
Anyway to answer the questions :
what I can tell, is that in my last release, VMM opti isn't used anymore, if it is in the menu, it was simply forgotten, it doesn't affect anything.
Musashi 68K is a 68K cpu emulation done in C, slower than asm 68k but could be much more accurate, there is no reason to choose musashi68K, another pointless option.

Since the author of Pro clearly has an xbins account, why not ask him to upload the latest build of FBA-XXX along with the latest build of Pro? That way people can just download the build for whichever ROMsets they use. You could even upload a text file to the directory explaning the difference between the two builds.

Do you really think I am the one who should ask a favor?
Fbaxxx being closed source, the releases will certainly not happen in the same time (well tried)

I could just beg cartman too

Well you obviously want something or you wouldn't be making such a big deal out of this. Why not just say what it is instead of making pathetic little snipes every time someone mentions FBA-XXX Pro.

Is it just the sourcecode you want? Do you want Pro to stop being released on xbins? Do you want more credit in the readme than you already get? Or do you just want Pro to stop existing because you can't stand the fact that alot of people don't want to use the crappy outdated ROMsets in your build?

As usual you're just behaving like a child. And that's precisely the reason why Iriez chose to delete your xbins account.

I was just answering the question bu another question, the question was "Is there nobody capable of answering this?", yes there's someone.
As for the sourcecode, it would be a good start, even though I personnaly don't care much about it (it has been said a hundred times), at least I could tell why there is this option (because +T+ don't want to include all the updates, only the ones that he thinks could be good).
I don't want it to be removed from xbins either, I see no reason for it, I still have my xbins account but can only access surreal folder, because apparently that s all I am supposed to do .

As for the child part, I must admit I could be young (hey, 23 I am in the good ages ), but anybody can be upset about something, young or not .
It is good to see you there, that's one of the proofs I have here that fbaxxx must stay closed source, at least for a while, so that I don't see an fbaxxx pro release 5 mins after a fbaxxx release.

Another thing : I don't care how I must be considered, I know what I am doing and why I am doing it (or not), the childish attitude would be to care about what you or Iriez think.

Sorry for the derived subject though, but I think you have your answer .

Yes, that does answer my question.

Thank you.

Seriously tho, this whole issue is pure bullshit, especially in the point of view of development being done.

fba is the emu, fbax is the port, fbaxxx is a whole lot of improvments and features making it actually amazing, pro adds some compatibility.
big deal, people work on each other's source and improve it, especially when development dies down.

I do agree with gogo's point that it's probably because of xbins people just assume "pro is better so thats what i'll get".
And i can't imagine how frustrating it can be to have people ignore new releases when you're the one who was doing it in the first place (in regards to gogo's situation, that'd be like oDD making a comeback surreal v2 release, and the xxx releases being prefered because they got a scrolling menu and flicker filter)

In any case, the only way this isn't gonna turn into a closed source mess or other developper-is-pissed-so-goes-away shit is for you 2 (gogo and +T+) to actually talk directly instead of taking shots indirectly over the forums.

You both are obviously talented coders, whose work has been appreciated by users in the scene.
Why not agree on working together, put the source in a repository, and either have +T+ work on a branch or just directly merge your changes together and add newest romsets / anything else as a toggle.

That way everyone is happy, users and developpers, new people with talented coding skills can jump in and and help or submit patches, and both (point) releases can be done as one and only, or compiled whenever by those with the knowledge to do so.

my 2c

You re absolutely right, the point is that I was always open to have new ppl helping, I don't see the point in taking the sources, change some drivers and call it pro version.
As for the talented coders, I haven't seen any big code in pro version besides the code I added, sorry.

I'll agree that you have added many of the major improvements, but the Pro version has always been much faster to incorporate newer drivers and other random fixes than your builds. I really don't see why you have such a problem with Pro. A LOT of people want the newest ROM sets, the most games, and the latest drivers. That is exactly what Pro provides. Every single improvement you have made is ALWAYS credited to you in the Pro read me. You honestly don't have a single leg to stand on in your grudge against Pro.

Remember back when you were being hassled by people like Lantus and the original FBA devs over your versions including newer games and such? I applauded your stand back then and I was one of your staunch defenders. Yet now you are treating +T+ the exact same way you were treated back then and it's getting very tiresome and is doing nothing but hurting the fans of this emulator.

You need to move past this gripe and simple accept that fact that people like what Pro offers. I really don't see the problem with have two versions: One for people who don't want to update ROM sets and one for people who want the latest. It was the best situation for the fans, but now your grudge has ruined that.

The situation is absolutely not the same, I went first to lantus forum proposing fixes etc... when I started fbaxxx, I hoped we could work together, but it never happened.
I wouldn't care much if pro version was only a driver updated version made by some fan, the point is :
- it was int the beginning the same version with some extra drivers, but it soon became - when hearing some ppl - much faster and better sound than the original, why? I don't know, I even doubt it to be true.
- there are no source, I don't care about the drivers, but there are some things that should be released (IQ_132 fixes for exemple), and yes, it should have been better for both of us to work together, even if I have had some terrible experience having done a double version of fbaxxx (new set and old set).
- pro version is absolutely not presented as being fbaxxx with some romsets added.

And all the credits has not always been given, sometimes I see many of my updates with my name only at the end, or sometimes like in 1.16 update, I see all my update in only one line and see some driver fixes taking 3 to 4 lines, what ppl could thing by reading that is that all of my updates was short, when his updated code is the one taking 2 lines.

Now that's not fair. I've seen +T+ credited in the FBA-XXX changelog more than once in the past. Plus we're not just talking about a few extra drivers here. Pro supports a significant number of ROMsets that FBA-XXX does not, many of which require additional decryption, protection, and bankswitching code to get them working correctly. No matter how skilled a coder you are that's alot of work. It may not compare to the work you've put into FBA-XXX over the years but you should always give credit where credit is due.

And I agree completely with Thraxen's point. The way you're acting towards FBA-XXX Pro is no different to the people who, in your own words, "pushed you further by hating you".

From the readme:

It seems to me that +T+ has always made an effort to ensure that people realise that the difference between the two builds are the supported ROMsets.

LOL these words were removed in the latest credits , the childish part, you know.
BTW, I never said I would sue +T+ which was our case (me and Artik), so simply don't compare our situation, as for the +T+ fixes, I could have done it by myself but I see no interest in doing it when it was done somewhere else, I am the first wanting to give credits for ppl, because I think we're here to help each other, I just can't support when ppl are acting differently.
But, you're right, I shouldn't have said that this way, I apologize for this.

I never went pro cause the author didnt go "pro"...he IS the pro!

when you guys hijack a thread, you really go all out, don't you?

this is becoming embarrassing to read. you all have msn or yahoo?

Well, one of the guys most able to answer the OP's question was the guy that made the snide remark about Pro... so here we are. Also, Gogo appears to have answered the OP's question at the end of his second post. So it really isn't really being hijacked at this point. And why not discuss this here? It's a thread about FBAXXX and I feel it's something that needs to be discussed. Discussion is the reason why the forum is here.





No, those comments have not been removed. The portion Likkle quoted is still in the Pro read me file that comes with the emulator download. You can also read them in the official Pro thread here: Link

Also, I can't even believe you are griping because +T+ lists your fixes/additions in a single section in the credits. Are you really that petty? It's not enough that he always gives you credit because unless he lists them point-by-point on separate lines then that simply isn't good enough? Come on, Gogo... that's a bit ridiculous.

I will agree that he should share his sources, but you keep changing your stance on this. You said earlier that you don't personally care about the Pro source code. So would that really be enough for you to release your own source code? Or is the real problem that you don't like the attention Pro is getting? Can you blame many of the fans out there for wanting the latest ROM sets and more games added?

What you re saying make sense, the only problem is that pro isnt' only used by a group of fans wanting new romsets, no it's as if pro was the "real" fbaxxx, I can't accept that, sorry.
I don't say +T+ is responsible of the situation, actually I am quite happy for him to be recognized and havins an xbins access, I know very well his thread and helped him out on some fixes too (PCM fix for example), if you go through the thread, you ll see I am answering sometimes.
What I complain about is that many of standard users are pointed to fbaxxx pro : why? because the release of pro happen directly after my release, if someone wants the "latest" version, he'll definitely go for the pro, and there are some ppl here who keep bitching about many things and keep saying to all the newbies out there to go for the pro version or that surreal 64xxx is a pain in the ass and to stick with FDB v4.

I agree with GogoAckman,I don't see a reason to use the pro version only because It has more roms clones.. Until 3 months ago i was using this one,instead of the official emulator and when I saw how crapping was the HD mode I swicthed to fbaxxx and now I don't want to go back anymore.
We don't need two emulators that do the same thing but only the best one of them..and Its FBA-xxx not Pro.
This is the End of the thread............

So it's simple jealousy then? Do you really think trying to kill of Pro is the best for the fan base? Also, why do you think people will automatically go for the Pro version? There are many people out there that don't want to update ROM sets all the time, that's why we (as fans) had the best of both worlds when you were still releasing your source code. If you really think most of the people are going to prefer Pro then why not add the latest sets and drivers to your builds? If you don't want to do that then why are you fighting against Pro when it provides what a portion of the fan base wants?

Also, about Surreal, you have to understand that FDBv4 does have some advantages over your build. The easiest example I can think of that you can quickly check yourself is Mario Kart 64.

Start up MK64 in SurrealXXX and choose the first cup (I forget the name). Notice that as the camera pans down to your character at the starting line that the games will stutter a bit. Then when the race actually starts notice how the game stutters quite a bit for a couple of seconds.... this stuttering is especially bad if you get the turbo boosted start. Now go observe the same things in FDB v4. You will find the FDB v4 stutters much less.

That's why some people prefer FDB or even Surreal v1. Your versions have fewer graphical glitches due to the availability of newer plug-ins, but FDB does run smoother in some cases. Personally, I use SurrealXXX because I have a 128 MB XBox and the stuttering does not occur on 128 MB Xboxs.... so I get the advantage of the graphical fixes provided by the newer plug-ins without the stuttering. I also can't stand having the memory card/rumble pack toggle being mapped to the left stick... I end up clicking it on accident while playing the games.

Anyway, what do you want from Pro? What would have to be done to end this pointless grudge?



Umm... your opinion isn't shared by everyone. Some of us do want support for the latest ROM sets and additional clones. It would be great if Gogo's version provided this, but then we would be stuck with a bunch of people griping about having to update their ROM sets all the time. This is why we need two versions.

As already said, I am not against pro version (maybe against his closed source, but that s my personal thought), but you must admit that what s been an "experienced" version is now totally public and better known than fbaxxx, how do you think I must feel when I go here and there and hear always talking about fbaxxx pro, all these ppl don't even know fbaxxx exists, but I have to deal with some ppl asking me why it doesn't work when it's working fine in my version.
Why do I bother? To polish the emu, I need advice, feedback etc... which I don't have anymore (or right), that's the same thing with surreal, if no-one is telling me what's wrong, I can't push it further.
I personnally don't play my emus so much, I am just testing FBA with SF2 and surreal with mario 64, so you have to understand I don't have time to deal with a complete test of all the games in each version.

Okay then how about this for a solution; rather than making FBA-XXX totally closed-source as it is now why not make the source release one build behind, so that when you release a new version of FBA-XXX you release the source to the previous version. This way your version will always have the newest fixes and features, and Pro will only have those from the last version.

It may not be ideal but it's better than nothing at all.

If it is what you re interested in, I don't like closed source, so there s some probability that next release will have it's source released (not to mention the point that rumble was added with the big help from IQ_132).

I'm gonna sound like a broken record here, but i will strongly suggest this again.

Gogo, since +T+ doesn't seem to hang around in xbox-scene forums much, try to contact him directly.

Tell him where you stand, even give him an ultimatum : if you want my help and the fixes and improvments available in latest XXX source, you'll also have to release your source. Maybe you'll find him more receptive than you think,

Again, the best way for this to happen would be for the source to be put in a versionning repository of some sort (plenty of free hosts available, sf, bountysource, etc).
You can have gogo / artik as the main devs (core developpers if you wish), while you could have +T+ work on what you are less interested in putting time in for, the very latest drivers for more experienced users.

I don't think anything is gonna happen unless you take the iniative, so gogo maybe you should go ahead and create a project somewhere, contact +T+ with however you think this should happen, and have everyone work on what there best qualified to.

I get both likklebaer's and thraxen's point, and it's obvious there PRO fans, but pushing around devs so they unconditionally release source just doesn't seem the way to get things done, IMHO.

Yeah, sorry if I come off like I'm trying to push Gogo around or something, this whole situation has just become very frustrating. Everything was working so smoothly up until this last release when the source wasn't released. But I admit that I don't see it from Gogo's perspective in that I can't see his lack of feedback or anything.

And I realize it must be frustrating to hear people talk about Pro all the time. But, again, this is largely Gogo's own fault. He quit working on FBAXXX for a while and in fact stated on the forum once that is was basically a dead project. During this time FBAXXX Pro grew in popularity since it was still being worked on. It grew popular enough that it finally got added to Xbins. Then Gogo decides to start developing the emulator again but FBAXXX Pro has already taken center stage. That combined with the fact that Gogo lost access to the FBAXXX directory on Xbins has resulted in making it tougher for his builds to gain back some of its previous popularity. Then take into account how few builds actually appear from Gogo. Since being added to Xbins not all that long ago, FBAXXX Pro has already had 17 versions released... compared to how many of Gogo's builds in the same time frame?...2? ...3? That's not really a knock against FBAXXX at all (Gogo's busy with multiple projects), but it does tend to keep Pro more at the front in people's minds.

The frustrating thing is that none of this is any fault of Pro or +T+. It just worked out this way. And now Gogo has grown frustrated himself and has more or less decided to "punish" Pro... which in turn frustrates fans like myself. I just want the nonsense to end.

FBAXXX is one of the most popular and actively worked on emulators we have for the XBox and that's due to both Gogo and his team as well as +T+ and the people who have helped him.

Also, Gogo, maybe you should take the suggestion thrown out earlier and see if +T+ will upload your builds to Xbins for you?

I am sorry, yes I was a bit upset, but it's gone now (I am like this), I was working hard on KIxxx and maybe that could explain the lack of sleep.

Now, I ll do two things :
- Release a new version of fbaxxx (I would have like to wait until netplay is out but maybe I could release this) someday this week and release the sources.
- Mail +T+ and ask if he would join the team, after all you re absolutely right, it would be better for both of us to release our version at the same time.

As for the lack of updates, I have some goals I want to achieve before releasing something, and how many pro updates concern only drivers?

Wow I have just learned a ton of info from this alone....this should be a sticky for newbies to read and learn from....I got Pro thinking and also told by others that it was far better and you made it. I was alittle shocked to learn that you didn't and also that the normal place didn't even have your lastest ver. (which I will get tonight Thank you)

As I said in the other thread; FBA-XXX and Pro are the same emulator. The only significant differences are the supported ROMsets. You should use whichever build best suits the sets you want to use.

@Gogo: I really am glad to hear that you're happy for FBA-XXX Pro to continue development. I'm sure +T+ will accept whatever resolution you propose. Let us know what happens. Thankies!

I have been following gogo's work for my rig...it works great and kiosk mode means alot ...thanx so much man I cant wait for Ki-xxx 1.0.

I just want to say that I appreciate Gogo AND +T+'s efforts. Words can't describe how grateful I am for all their hard work. I wish there was no "conflict" and everyone could enjoy this Emulator--noobs like myself included. My reason for modding my xboxes was justified and thensome with FBA xbox versions Doesn't matter which IMO since I can play the games I want on both at the moment.

And thanks for answering my questions GogoAckman. I have another one for you--What is FM and PCM interpolation? Or should I say, how is it beneficial?

Glad this is heading the right way. let's cross fingers and hope +T+ accepts to work with gogo directly.