Sega Saturn ?
Neo Geo - Arcade - NeoRage, Nebula, ?
Neo Geo CD ?
...

Thanks X-Port, Lantus and all.

saturn would be awesome...but wont ever happen

I thought there already WAS a saturn emulator on the pc named girigiri or something like that coded by sega? someone just needs to port it over to the xbox..

QUOTE (Storum @ May 13 2003, 12:31 AM)

Sega Saturn ? Neo Geo - Arcade - NeoRage, Nebula, ? Neo Geo CD ? ... Thanks X-Port, Lantus and all.

Sega Saturn- Only working emulator for it is on the PC, and it's named GiriGiri. It's a hacked version of an emulator Sega coded themselves. However, the source ISN'T available, therefore, porting it is impossible.
You can already play Neo Geo arcade games. Try MAME-X or MAME-OX.
Neo Geo CD is doable, and would be pretty awsome.
I'm still waiting for the Atari 5200 emulator! I wanna play Star Wars!
Seriously, however, I give very, very much props to Xport, Lantus, and Hakaru for their porting skills. I'm happy enough as is; if no other emulator was released from this day on, I'd be more than thoroughly enjoyed.

the ps1 emulater gives me enough joy, if the n64 emu had some sound included i would be very happy

Imagine...Neo Geo CD with decent load times....yummyy...

I don't think any games were released exclusivly for that, but if the game was too big for the ram on Mame-X the Neo Geo CD version would work.

Also, there ARE other saturn emulators that work. I have tried some. I just can't remember what they are. Try Zophar's Domain

i want to see a saturn emu......in my opinion that would be the best emu yet

QUOTE (SSSSSmokey @ May 13 2003, 05:12 AM)

Also, there ARE other saturn emulators that work. I have tried some. I just can't remember what they are. Try Zophar's Domain

Just went there... don't know what you're talking about, but most of those Saturn emulators aren't opensource to begin with (making porting impossible), and the best one there plays a handful of games with tons of bugs (if Zophar's giving a correct 'mini-review').
I'd agree it'd be cool, but it's not gonna happen until a decent, opensource Saturn emulator for the PC is developed. Xport, Lantus, and Hakaru may be good porters, but I doubt they're gonna dump the equal of a full-time job for (at least) a couple months just to play Saturn games on the XBox.

QUOTE (Large Dopant white @ May 12 2003, 04:42 PM)

Sega Saturn- Only working emulator for it is on the PC, and it's named GiriGiri. It's a hacked version of an emulator Sega coded themselves. However, the source ISN'T available, therefore, porting it is impossible.

Actually, GiriGiri was the work of a coder who called himself "Megadeath". News about his progress vanished for about a year, and it was then revealed that Sega bought out his work which they re-released as their own property.

QUOTE (pez @ May 13 2003, 06:42 AM)

QUOTE (Large Dopant white @ May 12 2003, 04:42 PM) Sega Saturn- Only working emulator for it is on the PC, and it's named GiriGiri. It's a hacked version of an emulator Sega coded themselves. However, the source ISN'T available, therefore, porting it is impossible. Actually, GiriGiri was the work of a coder who called himself "Megadeath". News about his progress vanished for about a year, and it was then revealed that Sega bought out his work which they re-released as their own property.

Alright, then, I was wrong about one point. The unfortinate part is that doesn't make it opensource.
Still, thank you for the clairification. I hate getting my facts wrong.

A Saturn emulator would be nice, but no one has ever seemed to have an interest in writing one, go figure. As far as I am concerned this system blew the Sony away, and Castlevania SOTN was MUCH MUCH better on there as well!

Perhaps Sega will release some more emulated classics such as Panzer Dragoon 2 and Saga for the XBOX some day, but most likely they will only release them for the PS2 as they are doing all there current sequals. :/

3DO would be another great system to emulate, but once again no one ever took enough interest in it so we don't even have anything for the PC.

Virtual Boy would not be bad, if not just for Wario.

Atari 5200 ok, but what would really be kool is a fully funtional Atari 8-Bit computer emulator, which had tons more games on cart as well as floppy!

Amiga emulation is REALLY lacking. Ya we can play games from floppy images, but why stop there when you could possibly turn your whole XBOX into a virtual Amiga taking advantage of the DVD rom, hard drive, ethernet, mouse, keyboard ect.

Apple Macintosh emulator... why not.

Commodore 64. Is it me or do the emulators we got for this computer not work?

X68000 - Damn good Amiga type computer with lots of great games!

Quake 1 (enhanced engine port) - why hasn't this been done yet?

DOOM Legacy

ZDOOM

Quake 2 - cause it ain't done yet and you can not load custom single player games. :/

I am tired of typing, you get the idea.

I'd really love to see a Dreamcast emulator, I don't like getting out the controllers for my other consoles and the Xbox has a harddrive and reset features, which is what stops me from getting out the Dreamcast games more often.

The only DC emulator that plays commercial games is unreleased; it's called Icarus. It also requires a 2.2GHz computer to run at 20Fps with sound lacking and graphics buggy. I don't think the XBox's dinky 700MHz CPU could ever handle that.

Large dopant: Graphics aren't too buggy anymore but speed/sound still suck for now!

Check these:
http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~tronic/icarus...s/DOA2/doa2.png
http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~tronic/icarus...s/DOA2/doa1.png
http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~tronic/icarus...r/new_soul3.png
http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~tronic/icarus...nis/tennis1.png
http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~tronic/icarus...dio/shadow2.png
http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~tronic/icarus...s/hotd/boat.png
http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~tronic/icarus...enicezombie.png
http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~tronic/icarus...e/new_house.png
http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~tronic/icarus...ue/new_ryu2.png
http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~tronic/icarus...mue/new_ryu.png
etc

Well, every program has to start somewhere, anyway, I don't think a straight port would work too well anyway, due to the speed'n'STufF, but if someone had the time and skill to make one from scratch, I'm sure there could be a half decent DC emulator


...eventually.

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Imagine...Neo Geo CD with decent load times....yummyy... I don't think any games were released exclusivly for that

Yes a Neo Geo cd emulator would rock. There were a few Neo CD only (no MVS or AES versions) games like Iron Clad, Crossed Swords 2, Samuri Spirits RPG and a few more.

Unlike a Sony 1, the Dreamcast is one piece of hardware actually worth owning. $35 ain't much at all, plus it has its own Dev sceen, and you don't even need to MOD it as long is it is a 1999 model, though some later models still work from time to time.

NEVER EXPECT DC EMULATION ON XBOX!! Like PS2 emulation, it ain't going to every happen.

Saturn emulation will be VERY unlikely...go buy one theyre cheap enough! (picked one up with 15 games for 15 quid).

Dreamcasts are like £20 in england...new!

the giri giri beta source by megadeath is still available, but at that state it only runs games at a good 10fps .

QUOTE (XDelusion @ May 13 2003, 04:20 PM)

Unlike a Sony 1, the Dreamcast is one piece of hardware actually worth owning. $35 ain't much at all, plus it has its own Dev sceen, and you don't even need to MOD it as long is it is a 1999 model, though some later models still work from time to time. NEVER EXPECT DC EMULATION ON XBOX!! Like PS2 emulation, it ain't going to every happen.

what the hell are you talking about the playstation in one of the greatest consoles ever, its way better than a dreamcast. and yeah a saturn emulator would kick ass but it wont happen.

hm commercialy seen the psx is far better than the dc for sure. if u look on the hardware side, dreamcast is one hell of a good console, gfx can catch up to ps2 first and second gen games. when u look on the game side psx wins but only because of the commercial sucess. compared to the amount of games released dc has much good titels, good and innovative, and hell DC is first ONLINE console ever, never forget that....

greetz
chaos

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saturn would be awesome...but wont ever happen

never say never, psx emulation was said to be im possible, but look at us now! someday there may just be a sega saturn emu!

sega were class but they were crap at marketing and thats why sony won the console war, i also think the only reason ps2 is "beating" xbox is because of the name, and track record




griffball

Sega Saturn had more original titles than the PSX had in it's lifespan if you ask me. The PSX felt more commercial (as it was) and while there were many high profile games that were good, I don't think any could beat classic gameplay like NiGHTS Into Dreams, the Panzer Dragoon series, Burning Rangers, and the superior ports of Capcom's fighting games... oh, and Virtua Fighter 2, which is still graphically impressive to this day. And to any who thought the PSX had better looking games, all you would have to do is look at the videos from the Saturn rev of Shenmue to see that with the right programmer, you could make Saturn's 2 CPU's do amazing things.

The Dreamcast on the other hand had TONS of A+ titles coming out monthly, strong support, first console to come out online capable, but ultimately lost the console war due to its past marketing efforts and lack of commitment, oh, and not to mention too many fucking add ons. The 32x was a mistake to say the least, and does anyone remember the fucking awful commercials for the Sega Saturn? What was that "Theatre of the mind" or whatever crap? Totally awful... SegaCD had a few really great titles, but for the most part it was just really bad FMV games. At least Sega is doing what Sega does best nowadays... making games.

One question I had though is this... as Bleem did for the bleempacks on the DC, is it possible to reverse engineer one game at a time? As there is already a good core available for Saturn emulation... I am sure this would be time consuming and probably not worth it in the least, but goddamnit, I want to play NiGHTS again!!!!!!!!! All the times I've bid on ebay for a Saturn I get outbid for some totally stupid amount, I hate it, but I just don't ahve the means to spend over 50 dollars for it at the moment and I should ahve killed my older brother a thousand times over for selling it and all the games that we had bought with it for a PSX. Then again, he's the type of gaming asshole that will buy the next new system that comes out, and then cart it off when the next big thing comes out. He's mainstream to a T. Blargh to that.

QUOTE (DjChaos @ May 13 2003, 07:59 PM)

hm commercialy seen the psx is far better than the dc for sure. if u look on the hardware side, dreamcast is one hell of a good console, gfx can catch up to ps2 first and second gen games. when u look on the game side psx wins but only because of the commercial sucess. compared to the amount of games released dc has much good titels, good and innovative, and hell DC is first ONLINE console ever, never forget that.... greetz chaos

Wasn't there a way to play Sega Genesis online through something called X-Band?

QUOTE (UberJim @ May 13 2003, 11:40 PM)

Wasn't there a way to play Sega Genesis online through something called X-Band?

Yep.

QUOTE (XDelusion @ May 13 2003, 01:52 AM)

Virtual Boy would not be bad, if not just for Wario.

I always thought the Virtual Boy was cool. They just didn't have any great games... It must have been a pain in the ass to code for.

It would be cool to relive it on the XBox.

Guys, every single console that has ever come out is always called impossible to emulate. Hell, I remember the days when everybody called the sega genesis impossible to emulate. A system simply can't be impossible to emulate, its always a matter of processing power on the host system for whether or not its feasable, which is entirely different from being possible.

Few facts to straiten up, there was x-band for sega and snes wasnt really online put it was a form of netplay, then there was Net-Link for the sega saturn i have that it was cool, with virtual on online and duke nukem haha

QUOTE (GRiFFBALL @ May 14 2003, 08:32 AM)

never say never,  psx emulation was said to be im possible, but look at us now!  someday there may just be a sega saturn emu!

actually, people seem to get a bit confused around this issue. i dont think ive ever seen is said that PSX emulation on xbox is impossible. mention PS2 emulation in a thread though, and prepare to have your head ripped off. Sega Saturn will NEVER be playably emulated on an xbox. ever!

QUOTE (GRiFFBALL @ May 14 2003, 08:32 AM)

never say never,  psx emulation was said to be im possible, but look at us now!  someday there may just be a sega saturn emu!

actually, people seem to get a bit confused around this issue. i dont think ive ever seen is said that PSX emulation on xbox is impossible. mention PS2 emulation in a thread though, and prepare to have your head ripped off. Sega Saturn will NEVER be playably emulated on an xbox. ever!

fair enough, but we can hope!
IF a GOOD sega saturn emu came out for pc, the xbox would have enough power to emulate it though wouldnt it?

Snes online support was cool, the satelite service...um only for Japanese people though.

Hey I've been out of the scene for a while so I'm not up scratch on the latest and greatest emulators out there can someone pm me if they have a minute with a bit of a list, spoke to a guy who say's that hes seen a xbox emulator for a gamecube and a ps2 running on an xbox although Im sure hes telling me fibblies he was straight faced and serious I know this is probably not true he just want to get back at the world for still living with his mum or sumthin... but I had to make sure

QUOTE (legrandeamoure @ May 23 2003, 10:51 PM)

Hey I've been out of the scene for a while so I'm not up scratch on the latest and greatest emulators out there can someone pm me if they have a minute with a bit of a list, spoke to a guy who say's that hes seen a xbox emulator for a gamecube and a ps2 running on an xbox although Im sure hes telling me fibblies he was straight faced and serious I know this is probably not true he just want to get back at the world for still living with his mum or sumthin... but I had to make sure

You're joking, right?

Sure, I'll jump in.

PSX vs Saturn - Saturn, definitely. PSX might've been better graphically and had a million games, but as the old sayign goes, quality over quantitiy. I love my Saturn.

Now, as for Saturn emulation . True, it'll never happen on the Xbox w/o a good PC base. The problem is, Saturn emulation is NOT easy. How many Saturn projects have started, figured out how to emulate disc load, and then died? (the project, not the emu) - tons. If I'm not mistaken, the Saturn is known as one of the "bitchiest" machines out there. It was originally designed as a 2D 32-bit system, and the 3D engine was then thrown on top of a near-finished product, which is why the 3d support lacks compared to a PSX. As such, it's difficult to program for, and is not so graceful, which is, I'm told, why the emu scene for Saturn sucks so bad. We can hope, and I'd defintley not say it's impossible, but highly unlikely that we'll see a good Saturn emu on the Box.

As for Dreamcast emulation... why bother? Most of the games available on the net are CD-R rips, and in a lot of cases are "missing" stuff. I doubt people are going to re-rip a 1Gig game for a few FMV sequences. Kewl? Yes, but there's a lot of other Emu's higher on my list. I like my DC lot, and in all honesty, I think it was the most innovative machine for the time yet.

What about Sega's System24 games? Gain Ground... Crackdown... would LOVE to be playing those.

I'd beg to differ.
PS2 is more of a bitch to program for, yet we're getting decent emulation going on for it.
The fact remains there isn't that much demand to warrent the people who could do it to really do it.

Seriously people who love their saturn are the minority.

Well, I'd hope so since the PS2 came out what... 6 years after the saturn? Obviously, w/ a much more complicated engine, it's going to be more difficult. I was referring to those "should be able to emulate" systems. While PS2 isn't a pipe dream, there's stands to be a much bigger question mark of why we've not seen much emulation for this machine, which is technically inferior to one that's been emulated left and right.

But also another thing to take to note, how much I couldn't imagine there being too much knowledge or documentation around for the Saturn. I'd say roughly 90% of the emulation scene is created by the western world. There can' be that many shit-hot Saturn developers around these days, and I'd suspect the SDK and whatnot would be hard to find, if even possible. And then, of course, the old problem of interest.

As far as saturn emulation on the xbox goes, the best chance would likely be for Sega to do it themselves. Considering they purchased an independant emu for themselves, shows that they are somewhat open to emulating the Sega Saturn(Although for a smaller market). I bet that with professionals working on it as a commercial product, that they could probably get somewhere with an xbox version. Although, I doubt they have the sense to do this.

What is Sega using the emulator for anyway?

Gaijin, there are lots of emulators around created by Japanese, Indians, Arabs and all kinds of people, not just westerners Just look at Giri-Giri...

How did Sega add the original Panzer Dragoon into Orta? Was it emulated or did they recode it?

The problem with the Saturn is that it's largely undocumented. The Saturn largely failed because Sega wasn't willing to give enough support to it's 3rd party developers, SDKs were crap and undocumented, etc. The only 3 developers who ever did impressive stuff on the Saturn were Sega, Capcom and Konami, who all had resources to do so. This is why the PS1 had so many titles; it was much easier to program for. It was graphically inferior, had less horsepower, yet most developers chose it because it was relatively easy to program for.

The PS2 is a HUGE bitch to code for. I've looked at what's involved, and with all the VUs and co-processors that make it up, it's mostly crap. You need to move code to VUs most of the time otherwise the PS2 slows down to a crawl, yet most developers took on it because of the popularity of the PS1. The Dreamcast was MUCH easier to program for, hence the flow of incredible titles; as someone else said, poor marketing and the public's poor experience with the Saturn made it die, which is a shame. I've seen DC titles that are over 2 years old that beat out PS2 titles graphically.. Soul Calibur, anyone? SC2 isn't even that graphically superior to the first one, and SC1 beats out SC2's PS2 version.. And it's a first-gen game.

So a PC Saturn emu would be near impossible unless you had documentation on how it works, and Sega is not going to release this to the public simply because they still have plans for their old Saturn games. A DC emu would be much easier than a Saturn emu simply because it's a WinCE base with a PowerVR chip; those are all much more available..

QUOTE (TwisTz @ May 26 2003, 01:56 PM)

How did Sega add the original Panzer Dragoon into Orta? Was it emulated or did they recode it?

They probably just ported the PC port. (a port of a port... how ironic )

Uhm, timekillr, not only does most DC games NOT use the WinCE api at all (it basically sucked), but the PowerVR isn't lowlevel documented at all. The DC is HARD to emulate. (though not impossible, but neither is Saturn. Satourne 1.0P was released today for the PC, check it out).