feel free to vote/discuss.

I'm not sure if I'd rather have homebrew or XBL. Definitely wouldn't want to lose XBL over retarded dvd back-ups though.

might have to buy another xbox 360 if i could run homebrew
but not worth getting banned from xbl

totally worth

All you can do now with it is pirate games. Admit it, theres no real use for it right now.
So, no, not until there is homebrew support.

On top of that, the system isnt very mature yet, and all the kinks are still getting worked out.
Id hate to lose a 400 dollar system over a silly mod once another system dies on me.

This may be a little off topic...

So whats going to happen to all the purchased content associated with a gamertag when a ban occurs? Excuse the laugh, but wouldn't that be considered stealling. As in stealing the content back from the subscriber. If a 360 gamertag is banned from the service, how would one go about retrieving the 'X' amount of $ content purchased?

Ditto. Xbox 360 is kinda boring without LIVE, but those games sure are expensive too...

I personally cant wait till homebrews a reality...i figure its just a matter of time, XNA seems like a decent start (Microsofts gotta starts somewhere right?...I heard Bill likes the idea of running community apps too, last i heard he was impressed with the possibles available to the end user using a modified xbox). I have modded several previous consoles specifically for homebrew, i could realy give two s**** about running burned games (But i must say modifications, or at least having the option to mod, games you own is a huge benefit...similar to PC games), even though backups of $60 games wouldnt hurt. Everyone already knows at this point most people with modified firmware on their drives in most cases arnt running 'backups' though. Id personally love to see a XBMC 360 or various other applications...maybe a webbrowser? Podcast, Telnet, NNTP, FTP, or IRC client? Possibilities are endless (And yes i know it is possible to stream audio podcasts from a PC but still, it not really worth the hassle...i can still walk, if want to listen to a podcast on my PC then i will)...If or should i say when a modchip comes out for the 360 i think ill probably just buy a second console specifically for it, id rather not lose live connectivity with my current console

HOLY crap i dont no how to install the damn hacked firmware so pissed im so lost i read theb est tutorials around and dontn o how DAMN IT plus i like xbox live tio this sucks so badi wanan play burned backed ups of my games legally on live 2 u no

im not gonna install till i get another 360, im too scared that mine is gonna overheat and break.(i can mod n e thing, with chips n e ways)and the occasional case mods)


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I would, but ya know, me pockets are a lil' empty, thus, no 360....

I am not going to risk losing XBL.

I think you could quite safely assume it's written in to your xbox live agreement that if a ban occurs, all content becomes property of M$.

Words to that effect anyway.

I thinki have modded near enough every console i have had. however i am enjoying the XBL experience at the moment and do not want to risk loosing that just yet.

as for the price of games.....I look round the 2nd hand bins to save a bit of cash.

Exactly. The pole has supprised me. I thought people here wanted to mod the consoles for fun and make homebrew apps, but it seems they are a bunch of pirating scum.

I can understand music 'back-ups' (and I mean backups not copies) and I can understand DVD backup especially when they are rare DVDs, but game backups, come on?

It's not like you can't get hold of another game disc from a store. Unless you are all super-nerds that want to protect your discs in a blue folder, you are just a bunch of theives.

The only backup of games I could believe are aceptable would be backing up to the HD for ease of use and reduced loading times.

really? this poll just want to know how many pirates are running around in this site/forum

i have done this but it is just for pirating you lot they say i want to back mine up because i dont want to damage my originals are idiots you pay 40 pound for one game you think you would look after them better i still have ps1 original games i play all the time

So you think backing up a $15 music CD or a $20 movie DVD is acceptable, but backing up a $60 360 games automatically makes you a thief...

One morning. my two year old daughter sneaked into my home theatre, grabbed my $60 copy of Oblivion, and proceeded to polish my hardwood floor with it... It would have been nice if it was DVD+R DL instead of a retail.

actually i wanan do it legally (ill be honest hear i have done a few pirating in my life with xbox 1 not with 360) for 360 i wanan just leave my orignals laying around while im using backups cuz on my 3rd day of playing my 360 during the summer my freakin sister went like yes i won a game online with yahho pool or sum bs and moved the chair back while my 360 was on a stand table and fell over and HEY watcha ya the disk is scratched up luckly i went otbest buy and got another one but still when my warranty runs out is the thing i wish micrsoft could bring a new xbox out after like couple more yrs cuz this one to tell the truth is kinda of a mess it can over heat tip over the disk scratches and no hdvd for games which kinda sucks and now internet browser unelss using media center hacks which i hope they make an update of that sorry for a long reply !!!!!!!

hmm ..

so I cant use xbox live wtih modded dvd?? even though I use original game?? damn. I thought there was no way for ms to find out when Im playing on xbox live with original game, unless ofcourse the future games check for modded firmware.

Actually you can go on live with your modded dvd. The thing is that M$ can detect it. They haven't done anything yet about it but will surely do in a near future.

The line between running backup or pirated games is pretty thin. Some will get behind a little sister or small kid to try to legitimate their act. If you do copy games (for whatever purpose) the least you can do is assume your decision.

I would love to see Linux running on my X360.
Until then no good reason to waste my money with it.
Running copied games it's not so interesting in my opinion. Consolle games last so long that if I really want to play one game I just buy it.

If PS3 will run unsigned first (I feel it's possible) I'll immediately sell my X360 and switch to the PS3

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As someone who hopes to one day make a living in the video game or other media based market, I despise the hacked firmware. Backups? Quit fooling yourselves. It's pirating... nothing less than stealing. I'm all for homebrew like XBMC and alternate OS's, but until then my box will remain unmodded.

no way, xbl rulez, plus if i like a game i'll buy it, there is no reason to have 15 new games each month, and have no time to play more than 4...and when i say play i do not mean, a)insert the disk, play 2-3 levels c)play another game!

...honestly i think its time to stop complaining about this piracy thing. yeah its a big deal, yeah it is technically theft, but the dvd hack is already wide spread so its not gonna stop. and if you think a modchip will solve this, it won't. it'll just make piracy easier, because then you can put even less effort into copying a game, and it's easy to have someone install it so MORE people will be running pirated games. Theft and piracy are everywhere, deal with it, until prices drop DRASTICALLY there's no solution.

i choose live i do love backups though, but without live, there wouldn't be a xbox 360.

I mean the results of the pole.

I'd actually do it for creating back-ups, and by back-ups i do mean actual backups since i always manage to destroy all my discs, but since im not in a destructive phase at the moment i see no point in it...

If you make a backup of a $15-$20 item that is ok? but a backup of $60 item is not?

As for backing up to the hard drive that is a must for someone who travels with their box. A friend had his luggage lost. $200 (XBox1) console and another $300 of games, ouch.

L.O.S.E. not L.O.O.S.E.

Because backing up DVDs and CDs can be done without hacking anything. To back up a game for the xbox 360 you have to go to a lot of trouble and for what? Making sure your games don't get sractched? What I'm saying is the games are abundant and are plentiful in supply where as some DVDs of Cds could be hard to come by.

Why would you need to back up the x360 games. Sure some may need to but most people who voted in this pole don't own the games.

As for backing up on a HD, I can respect that. It certainly improved some games e.g kotor, halo and gta with faster loading times.

I really don't see a need to mod my box until we can install our own HDD to the size of our choice and then install some homebrew on it. 20 gig is just not enough to do ANYTHING on. And the faster load times with games on the HDD is a HUGE bonus.

And on a side note to the comment above, just because it's easier to back up a CD or DVD doesn't mean it's any more right or justified. It's just as wrong as doing a console game as doing a cd, no matter how rare it is.

I would love to backup my xbox 360 games and use the firmware but my big problem is how to get a hold of the firmware itself along with a good clear crisp instructions so i dont f#@%! something up when im changing the firmware. Anyone here can help me find these things, it would be really, really, helpful.

No homebrew no need for the hack, I love playing XBL so its not worth the risk.
Developers should get paid for the game they make.

I've flashed my firmware, just to see if i could do it when i was bored. I do a lot of modchips and softmods on xbox 1 for people and it was getting boring doing the same thing over and over again. Now i've done it i'm flashing it back to original as there's no point for me till XBMC 360!

I thought it was possible to back up games and still use XBL so long as you use a modchip that you can disable like on the original xbox? Or do you mean that you cannot play backups on live?

But CDs, if you own them, I can see an advantage. Are you going to buy the same CD so many times, one for your living room, one for your car, one for your kitchen, one for your garage etc.

DVDs the same but not as important, perhaps in a big house, one for upstairs one for downstairs or perhaps for a portable DVD play in the Car.

But console games, seriously, what do people need back ups for, how many x360s do they have? And for those apart from the ones who have small children (or dogs, cats or other hazards) in their house should know how to look after their discs unless they are retarded (in which case backups maybe of use).

How come people think they can't go onto live if they have modified firmware? Did something happen over the weekend that I didn't know about?

My 360 has a modified firwmare. Why do you say I do that? I have bought too many crappy games that the developers and the companies have no business receiving money for. Do I go on continue playing them? Only once I have purchased them. I have bought 3 games in the last month. I have 2 more which I plan on buying.

If and when M$ blocks the firmware then I will have to make a choice at that point. But my hard earned money shouldn't go towards people who make a game simply for the $$ (many magazine articles on this one).

The ones you should be venting towards are the nut heads who sell them....

DVD Firmware works great for me only with Xbox one backups, haven't got a 360 backup to work due to lack of Dual Layers.

Personally I hate what xbox-scene has become, 90% of the news articles posted now are about firmware hacking. I hate what image this paints the xbox-scene subscribers as, this site used to be about homebrew now it seems to be about how to pirate games. I work in government and naturally my employer takes a very dim view to sites advocating piracy, I wonder how long it will be before my employer blocks the xbox-scene site all together. I really think there needs to be a new site set up for this firmware hacking cr@p.
From such lofty heights xbox-scene has come down to nothing but an underground piracy site...

not interested in the "backup" scene. still holding out for homebrew, and if you just HAVE to mod your 360 somehow, cut a window and toss in some leds and you got yourself a modded 360.

You do not get banned for using backups online, I have been doing it for quite a while now

I thought xbox1 back-ups need to be on dual layer aswell to work on xbox360 ???

Once 360's drop in price or a nice LE version comes out i'll be buying a second one and modding the one I have now with whatever's out at the time. Untill then I dont want to risk loosing XBL

Yeah they should have a category for people like me who will do the firmware hack for the hitachi when full firmware and media stealth have been released. XBL is amazing and i don't want to risk doing the hack until i can be sure microsoft can't detect it. Or a category should be made for people planing on doing the hack in the furure.

What about the people who don't play games, but mod consoles as a hobby? Somebody who loves to add a feature to an Xbox 360? I just love modding video game consoles, it doesn't matter what it is. Even if I don't use it, I'll do it just for the sake of doing it. I want homebrew really bad but this is the closest thing to a "hack" for the 360 so I did it. With that said, I haven't played my Xbox 360 in over a month. So, some people just love messing with stuff, learning new tricks, want to be on the cutting edge of the scene, up to date with everything. So yeah, I did the firmware hack, it works beautifully, and I don't even use it. So is anybody losing money on me doing the firmware hack but not using it? Nope. Can't wait until there is homebrew.

There should be an option "No, because I'm a n00b and don't know how."

I'd mod mine even if it just meant I could play a game off the HD and get better load times and not have to listen to the turbo helicopter noise of the 360 DVD drive.

C'mon MS and game devs, give people the option to cache a game to the HD, especially a game like Dead Rising that has lots of loading all the time.

Do realize that not all people that did this are pirating scum. I know I thought about doing it. Just because it was a mod to do. And that simple fact alone. But I haven't because I have a pre launch 360 and I don't want to blow the 2 year extended warranty on it just to mod it. A perfect example is I put a pc dvd drive in both my original Xboxs. But I never even play backups. I just did it, to do it.. And it reads cdr with ease now too. I do believe though there are alot of people out there using it just for what you stated. And that is really too bad.

That's kind of narrow minded! Perhaps you have money flying out of your ass. I can't afford to replace a disc that I've already bought. No one touches my game discs except me so that if it is scratched or ruined it is my fault and no one elses. On the other hand if there is a simple way I can avoid having to worry about ruining hundreds of dollars worth of discs then I'm all for it.

Besides: Cracking the security on the DVD drive is a possible avenue of attack for homebrew. Just because they don't have homebrew running on it yet doesn't mean they aren't learning a lot by working with it.