http://ps3.ign.com/articles/740/740239p1.html

while i dont see this as "bad news", im sure its a mean head shot to all of the sony zombies

Uhh... you don't see it as bad news that the top 1080p game that was supposed to usher in the high-def era for Sony won't, in fact, be running anywhere near 1080p? That's up to you, I guess. There's still Virtua Tennis, though.

Or, depending on what source might be correct, Splinter Cell: DA on 360 might already be running native 1080p. Sssssooo......

to me it would be bad news if the game was really running at 480p. who is anyone to complain when 720p is still gorgeous and sharp??

yes i find it funny as hell that their key 1st party title had to drop the resolution but this was to be expect IMHO. i was one of the naysayers originally for good reason. hell i dont believe that many of the "1080p" titles really run at such resolutions 60fps.

like i said, its a hit to anyone that believes sony, obviously i am not one of the gullible ones

I'm not suprised. I do have one question - will the PS3 have the flexibility to upscale 720p titles to 1080p, like the 360 will come next month? Or is it done on a per game basis?

That's a very good question.

I agree completely, but let's page back in time....
-Yeah, Dual HDMI was retarded. But they promised it, and they axed it. That's egg on them.
-Standard HDMI was unnecessary. But they promised it. And they axed the cables.
-7 controllers? Stupid. But axed.
-1080p@120fps? Stupid. Axed.
-4d? S. A.
-"We will not have a unified online network to compete with Xbox Live"
-"We are ready to launch- Spring 2006"
-"I can launch PS3 anytime I want!"
-"RRRIIIIIIIDGE RRRRAAAACERRR!!!"

And I could go on.
The point is more about how this is part of a massive trend of absolute lies and rampant ridiculosty on the part of Sony. At this point, what assurance do we even have that PS3 really EXISTS!? The Boomerang was a final design that definately wasn't going to change, either... look what heppened to it.

I keep expecting to wake up and see news of a Sony plan to put "This is actually a PS3 and Nintendo stole our idea" stickers on Nintendo Wii boxes instead of an actual console release.



Uh, do you mean on the 360? Because 360 does it for all titles automatically. Up though digital out and the potential for HDMI output as soon as cables are released. As for PS3.... uhhhmmm.... if they listened to their own rhetoric at all at any point, the system was SUPPOSED to just "do" everything in 1080p. So they probably don't have a plan for this. Or didn't. But now that 360 has already done it first, would we be surprised if Sony announced it later? Probably followed with a statement saying PS3 thought if it first and 360 only copied it?

Would you rather a proprietary HDMI cable threough the A/V-multiout? Or one that will work on the PS3 and other HDMI device, cable boxes, DVRs, receivers, etc?

Many are sold out now, but there were plenty in stock before PS3 pre-sale:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepar...0240&style=

Caldera really loves to rant, doen't he?

Im sure it can upscale 720p to 1080p, thats the most basic feature in the world. right sony?

I'm sure it can, hell, Sony has stand alone DVD players that upscale via HDMI. Of course this was before the push for 1080P,\ so they were only upscaled to 720P and 1080i. If not your 1080P display will do it.

sure it does, how else do you think these games are being displayed at 1080p? certainly not natively

You mean like ridge racer

Hardly a basic feature... the Xbox 360 was the first console to support that kind of function and it was big news.

GC, PS2, and Xbox 1 all supported resolutions higher then 480i but none of them offered any kind of scaling feature. AFAIK the Wii wont scale, but it wont need to because everything is done in 480p... we know the 360 can so that just leaves the PS3 as a question.

Technically PCs don't even do it because you're limited to the resolutions supported by the game, it just so happens that most games support a wide enough range of resolutions that no one notices.

Scaling Movies is a totally different beast then scaling games.

Upscaling DVD players can use cheaper hardware because time isn't an issue. they could take as much as a half second to upscale the image and as long as they delay the audio the user is none the wiser. Not to mention movies play at sub 30 Frames per second.

Video games must be scaled in 1000s of a second to avoid adding lag between the controller and the TV, not to mention there is already lag due to the wireless controllers and other basic latency added steps in the systems, meaning the scaling has even less of a window of opportunity.

Scaler tech has been around for a while but not until the last year or two has it been available in a form cheap enough and well enough to work in most consumer level products, it's the reason why most older HDTVs either only support a small set of resolutions or have horrible video lag... the scaler tech just wasn't available.

It might seem basic to a user, but it requires bleeding edge tech to make it work in the video game realm.

another game to be taken off the list.....



http://au.gamespot.com/ps3/action/vi...81&mode=recent

keep in mind that at the TGS both of these games featured the card saying "True HD, 1080p" on them.

NBA 07 is slated to be 1080P

So?

I think ur missing the point......
PAY ATTENTION!

ok and? in fact sony has stated that NBA LIVE 07 is the ONLY game to be 1080p.

singing a different tune then they were just a month ago huh?

Your pointing out the games that won't be 1080P and I'm pointing out games that will, slim as the selection may be.

well i understand that, but I'm not only pointing out games that are not 1080p but the same games that have been stated to be 1080p in the past.

during the TGS both VF5 and R:FoM have been reported to be running at 1080p

as of now the ps3 still supports 7 bluetooth controllers.....

From where did you here this? Got a link?

From everything i've seen, there isn't any support for 7 players on the PS3. On top of every controlelr, there is a light that designates what player you are; there aren't 7 lights, there are only 4. And if the PS3 did have support for 7 players, then why wouldn't Sony try to advertise that as well? I haven't seen anything about 7 player support in the past several months.

the only good thing that could come out of the 7 "player" support would be the fact of 7 wireless devices being supported at once, i.e. mic's cam's and other toys.....but with bluetooth you have the lack of an 8th as in 4 controllers 4 mics..... wonder if the 360 will ever support 4 wireless mics (HALO and GOW), couple weeks and we will know what both camps do

i thought blue-tooth can only run on 7 channels and that explains the 7 player limit. however if someon within range has a blue-tooth that would take up one of the channels, thus limiting the player limit to only 6.

so if this were true then if sony would release blue-tooth headsets for the ps3 then only 3 out of 4 players would be able to use them while playing.

anyone correct me if im wrong, im only going by what i thought i read a while ago

it can have 7 bluetooth connections... this doesn't limit those connections to controllers, could be camera, keyb, mouse, steering wheel...

I am not 100% sure but I always thought bluetooth allowed 8 devices on a group. 1 master 7 slaves. PS3 and 7 devices. If a cell phone is not syned up to PS3 group, it shouldn't interfere.

I am sure it would get real confusing in a crowded place if all bluetooth devices conflicted after 8 were in range.

Edit: just found this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth

So you do not have to resync all of the different devices if they remain inactive/standby. I think that is what twistedsymphony was saying earlier.
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?s=&...t&p=3710035
I just didn't know it was 255 devices.

thanks, that is what i was thinking. this means though that if sony were to release a blue-tooth headset then only 3 of the 4 players may use it.

thanks throwingks, that explains a lot. i thought blue-tooth automatically interacted with each other. the technology honestly doesnt impress me, so im not entirely up to speed on it

I have never used a headset while playing with multiple friends, usually we just talk to one another as we are all in the same room.

BT is a cool tech, but took forever to get implemented and is still being adopted fairly slowly. I remember hearing about 7 years ago and then nothing.

well im thinking of someone playing 4 player online when using the headset.

i remember hearing about BT a long time ago as well, still doesnt impress me though.

Didn't M$ help develop Blue-tooth and then kinda just stop using it? Hmm.

i dunno, everything that i have read about it just doesnt sound that impressive. it doesnt sound bad, just not up to the level that some people hype it out to be

Bluetooth is from sonys Acquisition of Ericsson, Microsoft didn't join in until after. Not sure if Toshiba and Microsoft still is in the Bluetooth Consortium though.

ive got bt on my nextel and imo its garbage....cant go into a seperate room in my house without loosing connection.....where as 360's wireless i can go outside and still talk(granted the controller is in my hand, for the next few weeks anywho) but bt is way behind the times....the market was way too late on adopting bt, consumers and manufacturer's i remember erricsons with bt years ago and now all of a sudden its included with any major cellphone....idk how the tech works but maybe one day it can be improved

From here:
http://www.mobileinfo.com/Bluetooth/FAQ.htm
I am thinking you could just take you bluetooth earpiece you already have for your cell phone and sync it up to the PS3. That is nice.

It should. My friends bluetooth devices talk to his PC and MAC just fine with no special software. Hmm I guess that also means I can usea PS3 controller on my PC and no longer use the USB adapter.


To go off of what ThrowingGKS posted, there are various levels of BT and each level has an effective range. In one of the PS3 hands on articles they are able to go across the office and still have the remote signal to the console.

I agree it was adopted late, but behind the times? Compared to what other technology? Some of you are acting like BT should be something super special and expect it to be more than it is.

It's not the techs fault you are expecting to much out of it. Try a better headset, but I don't know the limit of the your phone either. BT is still RF based using the 2.4Ghz band like other non-line of sight wireless systems.