I didn't update for 3 months of news.... I need some clarify about new firmware, I have a Samsung flashed with xtreme 2.0 firmware several months ago, which can read backup and original fine, but why we needed to upgrade newer version?

Curiosity
If i were you , i wouldn't touch it since it's working fine.

Read about the features of the new fw and decide for yourself if you want them. Just like you should read about the new features of any upgrade to do with anything. Read.

Cal

When xtreme 5 comes out I would upgrade because of single layer DVD support. It will save you some serious dollars.

Only if your a pirate!

Pirate? Like on the ocean, on a ship looking for bury treasure pirate? Argh? Walk the plank?

there goes the pirate reference again...

copying games is not piracy... if you wanna play that word game, you go right ahead..

these pussies that want to claim you are stealing software don't want you to understand
that the developers get paid well in advance before the games ever hits the shelves..

you wanna talk about piracy... go after the pirates of industry... the ones that steal
hundreds of millions if not billions from pension and retirement funds....and leave
people penniless just before retirement..

I've yet to see any of the game development companies fold because of piracy...

and piracy originated when on the high seas, bandits or pirates stole goods that
were the originals and sold them for profit.. copying something is not piracy...

now if you wanna use that politcal corrective bullshit lingo that it is, you go right
ahead..

as long as you don't make mention of your actions publicly...do whatever the fuck
you want..

why are u a member of this forum
if all you are gona to is sit in the corner trolling

stupid question but aren't almost all games too big for a single layer dvd anyway?

No, they are around 4GB.

Some and some aren't, the only reason all 360 games are 7.something gigs is that the ss sectors are read off the second layer.

ah thank you, never knew that... you've got me wanting to upgrade now too lol.

Apparently they have got the Xbox360 to boot from a 360 SL disc but not run yet but SL support for Xbox 1 games is working.

How dumb are you there buddy? Have you never learned the definition of the term piracy and how it relates to the copying of a video game or computer program? Let me show you..........
Piracy - the unauthorized reproduction or use of a copyrighted book, recording, television program, patented invention, trademarked product, etc.


Quit smoking dope and go back to school

Err .. correction : the term piracy DID originate on the high seas. The definition you give is a modern distortion originally coined by hackers which has since made it into the general lexicon. Sorry. Otherwise we would use the correct term of 'Copyright Theft'.

Seems like you need to learn reading comprehension as I never denied where the term originated.............so I'm not sure what correction you are making about my post. You do know that many words in the english language have more than one definition. Terms like piracy are one of them. Piracy at its barebone roots stands for..........theft/robbery. Copyright Theft would be what at its barebone roots? Theft/robbery.

I personally think you all should shut the hell up about what piracy is and what it isn't. Who gives a damn who is right on the proper definition. We wouldn't be here if we didn't want to "back up" our games. And I'm pretty damn sure that everyone who has ever backed up a game has backed up one they do NOT own. So you're all stealing shit anyway.

well that was a conversation stopper LOL

you need to update to 4.2 if you want to go on live without being trapped ...

FW and media stealth were added ..

copyright theft... oh there's a new one...

you know if you have a VCR or a DVD Recorder and you record stuff off television, that's copyright theft..

every damn thing that's broadcasted has a copyright on it.. so what...

broadband internet was created out of copyright thefting...

nobody needs faster that a 1MB connection if all you do is surf the net...

they give you fatass pipes to pulldown large content... and most of all that content is copyrighted...

looks like u are taking this far too personally, Piracy at it's bare roots is theft 'on the high seas', it didn't relate to theft on land or any other medium. It's a complete distortion in it's modern use. Just coz everyone says it, doesn't make it correct! As for the comment u made about me needing to do more reading comprehension because u weren't disputing where the term originated.... My bad, certainly looked like u were. The correct usage and official term is 'Copyright Theft' ( 2 years studying MSc in Information Security at Royal Holloway, so I do know what i'm talking about ... or at least should ). Peace.

XboxGuru : u are right, this isn't the place for a discussion on the definition of piracy and if it's the correct term. But your statement about everyone stealing anyway is a little OTT. I personally own EVERY game I have made a backup of. I am sure I'm not the only one on these boards that doesn't want to see the 360 fail due to lost revenue and uses the copying to create backups of originals they own. Would be nice not to get tarnished with the same brush everytime someone brings this topic up.

Broadband internet was created because websites have way more data on them than before. 5 years ago all you needed to surf the net, was dial-up. Just searching the web today requires faster than dial-up if you want to get anything done in a reasonable amount of time. Broadband for average cosumers was created so when you are just surfing the net, pages load instantly and there is no waiting. It was created because of impatience...............not stealing.

And I'm sure you never use words that have been given new definitions since the term first originated. Who the fuck are you kidding? Oh since using the word piracy isnt proper, the proper term is not Copyright Theft its...........Copyright Infringement Mr 2 years studying at MSC.

Oh and the modern use of the term piracy (how it relates to copyright infringement) and its legal basis dates back to the late 1800's...............not hackers like you said. You can research this if you want to try and dipute it, but I'm telling you right now, you'll quickly find out that this is true.

Yawn .... Piracy is a naval term that relates to theft on the high seas. It was when it was first used and still is. Ever heard that lawyers were refered to as hackers or 'legal hacks'? So please don't start quoting shit at me. Infringement / Theft depends on locale FYI. If I did as u sugest I'd call Trojan Horses, Worms and Logic Bombs Viruses as that is the commonly used term ... but it's still incorrect. Get a life ...



U tell me who has the 5 figure job securing networks talking of which, this conversation has been a waste of a full 10 minutes of my life. End of story.

BS, the legal term is Copyright Infringement (thus why you wont find copyright theft at wikipedia or at dictionary.com, but you will find copyright infringement).

I love how it always seems when forums members think they are right they try and play the experience card. Oh and I wouldnt brag about a five figure job as all that really states is you make 10,000 or more a year. Since were are playing the experience game though, I work in a patent office......working with patents...............I think I would know that the legal term is infringement and not theft. Must be the same reason why patent infringement is in wikipedia and not patent theft.

And I quote : YAWWWWWWWN (if u know it why are u searching wikipedia?) I'm off to do more interesting things, wank over your definitions all u want.

Oh BTW u might find this interesting - http://www.fact-uk.org.uk/ sounds to me like u really don't know wot u r talking about but are trying to bolster ur argument with a lot of hot air.

As for your little link, just because people use the word, doesnt mean its correct. Someone once told me that, oh yeah thats right, it was the hypocrite that I am arguing with. The legal term is infringement, not theft.

Oh and here is the reason why I searched wikipedia. First of all because I make sure I am correct before I argue and second of all is so I could attach the following links.
Here is what you get when you search copyright theft http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Searc...theft&go=Go
Here is what you get when you search copyright infringement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Infringement
Here is what you get when you search patent theft http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Searc...theft&go=Go
Here is what you get when you search patent infringement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_infringement

Moving on to dictionary.com
Here is what you get when you search copyright theft http://www.reference.com/search?q=copyrigh...;r=d&db=web it auto changes to web reults
Here is what you get when you search copyright infringement http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cop...%20infringement
Here is what you get when you search patent theft http://www.reference.com/search?q=patent%2...;r=d&db=web again web results but no definition
here is what you get when you search patent infringement http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/patent%20infringement

Since I had some time to read that link you posted, I felt another post was needed.

Why did you link a site which calls it piracy? I thought you had a problem with that term since its not correct. Not only that but a site that says the following.

http://www.fact-uk.org.uk/site/about/faq.htm#5
The word ‘pirate’ originates from the latin ‘pirata’ meaning ‘to attack’, which reflects precisely what criminals are doing to both the film industry and their communities when they appropriate and reproduce original films for personal, and often wider, criminal gain.

I guess this means I was wrong, the word pirate at its roots doesnt mean theft or theft at the high seas, but it stands for 'to attack'. I'm so glad you linked me to a site with which you tried to prove me wrong but all it does is state the things you are against. Barvo mate....the word hypocrite comes back to mind.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_inf...rm_.22piracy.22
One organization that campaigns against software copyright infringement refers to the practice as software theft. This would be seen as an inappropriate label by those who argue that the illegal copying of software is, and always has been, copyright infringement and that copyright theft implies that the legal copyright has been seized in some way. See Federation Against Software Theft...........or FAST just like that other one called FACT you posted.................and why is there two websites and federations that say the same things..........waste of webspace if you ask me.

If you have a problem with the term piracy being used, you should also have a problem with the term theft being used, as the copyright hasnt been seized in any way when you make a copy of software, but it has been infringed upon, thus agian why the legal term is infringement.

you guys really know how to screw up a thread dont you? surprised you haven't gotten this one locked.

so, in case you've missed the many comments by mods, expecially xombe, they don't want to hear the talk. they've said it more than once, they dont care who and why you are using the firmware. thats your business. just dont discuss it.

on top of that, you've taken the thread way off topic. if you really must have a pissing contest over the definitions of words, at least do it in an appropriate forum.