Exclusive: 360 HDMI Proof - HR Pictures and Video - HANA Scaler Posted by XanTium | January 6 02:07 EST

Here's a bit more about the news published earlier about the Xbox 360 'Zephyr' prototype with HDMI port. It's the 2nd time a HMDI picture leaked (1st time here if you missed it) and it looks like there are still many people that don't (want to) believe it ... so I guess it's time we come clear because Microsoft doesn't and we think you as customer has the right to know what's coming. Microsoft still refuses to acknowledge it ... this is what they replied today to several news outlets: "We have seen all types of claimed leaked photos like this show up online and as a standard policy we don't comment on speculative items." We managed to get some exclusive High-Resolution pictures for x-scene of a 'Zephyr' prototype with the HDMI port. No, it's no retail Xbox360, it's a prototype board ... but Microsoft had to design a new scaler chip named 'HANA' (replacing the (analog-only?) 'ANA' chip found in current retail and dev Xboxes), I doubt they'll do that effort for nothing. You will also notice several other changes to the motherboard. Microsoft always refused to answer any question about a possible HDMI-cable for the Xbox360 (even when asked for explicitly), but this HANA chip probably confirms the current 360 can only output an analog signal, so an HDMI-cable for the current 360 probably won't be possible (sure they could design a cable/box that reconverts the analog output to digital, but that makes no sense and is not the point). Note: we can't tell/confirm you if the HDMI port, 65nm CPU and larger (120gb) HD are linked to each other. They might or might not be released together. The 65nm CPU is coming for all Xbox models anyway (confirmed by MS and Chartered long time ago + delay news). And it's also pretty obvious (with current demand and video marketplace) that MS will release a larger HD sooner or later, this requires no change to the motherboard. Here are the pictures we got from our sources (click for high-res): Shot of the connectors: the classic output and the new HDMI output. View of the inside, on the right you'll notice the new HANA scaler chip. On the left the 'old' ANA scaler, on the right the new HANA scaler ('H' for HDMI?) More Pictures: * Close-up output without case: low-res | high-res * HANA/Output Motherboard-region (2): low-res | high-res Still not enough for you? How about a video? A HDMI->DVI converter was used to show you the port in action using a small PC LCD screen. And before you ask ... a dev kit always takes a while to boot, that's why it takes longer than with a retail 360.

NOICE MAN! It's real all u unbelivers!

NoRemorse mod edit:
MoB Cha0s DF (aka 1337 pig on XS) thanks for the pic of your shoe on LIVE, Im sure this isnt what MS itended for the vision cam

Well in all fairness M$ should have to take our old units back in exchange for the new one for free. That is BS otherwise.

yes.. it is. I am sorry I jumped the gun and posted the pictures before xantium was finished preapring this article for us. for that.. I'm sorry.

However.. look at them.. (again) in all their glory.

Now I'm starting to believe its true, but its a prototype so it may not be released for production.

Guess ill be flashing my old 360.

So, who's pissed?

HSDEMONZ thanks for the update.

10 million 360 owners probably?

I knew it http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?sho...6824&st=195 I stated the encoder was changed well got that one right. Anyways good luck HSDEmonz

Agreed. I tried my hardest and I finally got a 360 on December 18, 2005. Theres no way I will be able to get this one.



I hope that it won't be released, i hope somehow they make it an external attachment like they did with the HD-DVD player.



I certainly will be if it makes me buy a whole new system.


EDIT: Wait.... is this an actual xbox 360 made by microsoft or is it a modded version? The vid makes it look like a modded 360. Sorry if i got it confused with something else.

EDIT2: I certainly hope all of this gets answered at the CES.

How about a video with the memory card plugged in I hope you know what I mean

Well that we never really know. But it costs a lot of money to redesign motherboards and customs chips ... MS isn't doing that for fun.

Is this a complete package or did you get ahold of the mobo and the case only? What about a dvd drive and a hard drive what are they?

wondering what version the DVD drive is... i wonder if they'll update those too...

anyways, if it outputs analog only then what's the point? (aside from having one slim cable)

i bet someone is in some deep shit for leaking this. or maybe a viral campaign. still cool!!!

Sure. Microsoft is using an entire new type of chip to add a new type of video output to a 'full' prototype, which does cost a lot of money, only to throw it out of the window.

If they ever considered NOT making an Xbox 360 with a HDMI connection, they sure would never make a fully working prototype.

Awwww, poor thing. Just because you couldn't wait you will not have one of those new shiny, shiny new Xbox 360's? Yes, yours will be worthless pretty soon. Just spell Microsoft as M$ to get your frustration out. It also looks so mature.

Time to sell the old 360.

I didnt post in that other thread, but i knew this was true, M$ had to come out with HDMI, everyone wants it now. I knew it was going to happen. And all those people who are bitching about M$ doing this and wanting them to exchange their old 360 for these new ones with HDMI, think about what you are saying! Did you expect sony to replace all the old bulky ps2 when they came out with the slim? Or for nintendo to replace all the old GBA's when they came out with the GBA SP? How about the DS with the DS Lite? Do you expect your computer to be replaced with the newest one that comes out a month after you bought your then state-of-the-are computer? THAT IS THE INDUSTY! IF YOU DONT LIKE IT THEN DONT BUY ANYTHING! That is the risk you take by being one of the early adopters. I'm sorry but it just pisses me off when people bitch and complain that M$ screwed us over by doing this, they DIDNT! They are giving us another option, i really would not be suprised if they drop the premium bundle down to 300 and then released this one for 400, this would be another slap in the face for PS3, HDMI was one of te only things that sony fanboys had over 360, HDMI and blu-ray. I bought my 360 on the 4th of july 2006 and i dont regret it at all. I have had great fun on my 360 with VGA(and mine DOES NOT look washed out on my lcd monitor) I was planning on buying a second 360 later on anyways and now is the perfect time once these come out.

I don't really care that much I'm happy with my investment . I'm pretty sure no one can tell the difference between vga and hdmi (if there is one) unless they are side by side. But if Microsoft was opting to replace v.1 360's then I'm on it still.

10 million xbox 360's besides loosing money on like 5 million of them, That would be on hell of a replacement program. Sorry you wont get a replacement, same as slim ps2 no soup 4 you

I agree with your posts, and the whining is annoying. I have two boxes.... if this comes out, I may sell one and buy it.

But here is the bigger issue...... the HD-DVD drive is being sold for all units, old and prototypes. If the studios at somepoint really implement HDCP to their movies so that they cannot be output over component, where does that leave the original 360 users?

While this may come out, I wouldn't be suprised to still see a dongle that has an hdmi connection, with audio outs as well. Although the connection may still be analog and not digital, it would solve the HDCP over component issue, would it not?

Personally I could care less about HDMI, it would be a convience for hook up more than anything else. For HD Content I have an over the air antenna, HD Cable, and an HD-DVD player.

*sigh*

MoB Cha0s DF (aka 1337 pig on XS) thanks for the pic of your shoe on LIVE, Im sure this isnt what MS itended for the vision cam

Yes it is pretty stupid to expect M$ to swap the consoles out if this is ever released I totally agree. I think most of the people are getting pissed b/c M$ didn't come out w/ HDMI from the start. If you can't afford a new one then sell yours at a discounted price and buy a new one. This is good news for most of us, ebay should be flooded w/ 360s w/ no HDMI cheap. I can't help but assume they will wait closer to the Holiday season to release this so current 360 owners will have the best shit around at least till then

why would M$ exchange the old one for the news beasts? i know, they've been really good with their customer support so far, but, how much further do you think they'd be willing to go?

I can tell the difference easily. All you have to do is if you have an LCD monitor with VGA and DVI inputs:

1. Plug in VGA, view text and various image at your monitor's native res.

2. Unplug VGA, plug in DVI, view same objects at your monitor's native res.

There is a difference.

But that's not the reason I want this hdmi 360 - I want it so I can play all of my HD-DVD's with multichannel Linear PCM HDMI audio (just like the PS3 already has )- Dolby True HD baby!

Well there's the proof in the pudding.

I agree that MS should offer an exchange for those who would like to. Because chances are only a small percentage will actually take them up on the offer. Sadly most do not care what cable they are using, hell a lot don't know the difference between component and composite; and stupidly use composite cables. Also those that have 1080p HDTV's will be the ones that benefit the most (1080p component and regular vga is hard to find on HDTV's), and who will want it more then the others.

Then it will be a win-win situation for MS. Those that decide to exchange and those that don't care will be content, plus the few that i'm guessing that will exchange their systems will be a relatively small expense for MS.

But if they put an HD-DVD in it i'll be a little perturbed (I have the 360 HD-DVD, and would much rather have it in the system if it ever became available), because that will be a much larger expense of which MS would not more then likely exchange systems for. But look at all the different versions of the iPod. Did people feel jipped? Possibly. Did it hurt Apple? No. Either way i think it is a smart move my MS.

10 million minus 1, aswell as the 99% of the 10 million people who do not own, or won't get around to purchase a TV while the 360 is in production, that can produce 1080p image only through the HDMI port. Also the 1% are pissed because they own a said TV, can cool off untill the HDMI XBox 360 acually hits the store shelves.

well its Guaranteed that the new next gen microsoft (X720 or whatever it might be called) console will fail, whos gonna risk it when they have major design changes a year or so into production. who will pickup a first gen games console when there unsure if it will be the same tech 12 months later, Australian release was only 9 months ago, hell i would have left it if i had known.

I think its time i sold the 360 stopped my live subscription and moved onto a PS3.

I've had a neck full of this crap like microtransactions which is just another word for linning microsoft pockets with your money for content thats already on the disc you just paid a $100 (AUD) for, or for charging for cheats that were prevously free and are still free on other consoles sharing the same title.

in other words why should i stay here so i can be conned again in another 6 months

[quote name='The Zep Man' date='Jan 6 2007, 05:44 PM' post='3838668']
Sure. Microsoft is using an entire new type of chip to add a new type of video output to a 'full' prototype, which does cost a lot of money, only to throw it out of the window.

I think they are probably going to put out a new 360 by mid 2007, maybe because its to shut up the Sony fanboys and compete even more with the PS3, but isn't HDMI not much of a difference than VGA in 1080p

If they ever considered NOT making an Xbox 360 with a HDMI connection, they sure would never make a fully working prototype.

mm yeah haven't thought of that, so that means it will happen.

VGA is analog and HDMI is in digital in 1080p, any picture improvements between those two? whats all the fuss is about with HDMI, its probably DRM infested...

Better turn that audio up to drown out the fan running on the 360 Just wait for the new player, LG I believe, which will play both HD-DVD and BR. And besides, Time warner has the ability now to have BR and HD-DVd/DVD versions of one movie all on one Disc.

oh my god.... sooo very angry if true.... it sucks being an early adopter!!!!!!!

PS does anyone know what mix that song is/ what is it called?

It makes me wonder how much this was brought on by the ps3 having the HDMI. Very cool news though. Of course MS doesn't want this news out there. It'll be interesting to see how sales slow because of the leak. I know I would be one to hold off.

Bye

Enjoy your stay on the PS-3.

Btw, I'm not sure one can be considered having been conned, when you willingly signed up for Live, knowing what you got for your money. My god.... $40 for a year of Live...... It's friggin less than most games

I wish people would be this interested in picking decent leaders in this country, and takingn this much interest in Dafur.

Damn Im confused, so the only diff. in component and HDMI is a pubic hair? If thats the case I will gladly update everyones 360 to HDMI quality!! ROFLMAO

Oh yeah, forgot about that. If I got a standalone player I probably wouldn't buy a new 360 until Halo 3.

I wonder if this has something to do with the scaling issues on a 4:3 hd lcd?

I'm an early HD-Dvd adopter with the Toshiba HD-A1. It's nice..... can't really beat it, and I don't have to worry about my 360 getting too hot. I keep my 360 out in the open so looks wise with an HD-DVD pplayer attached as well, not sure I'd like it visually.

This way I've got the 360 and PC hooked up to the 32" Westinghouse LCD, and the HD-A1 and Cable boxes to the 42" Philips Plasma.

Would I go out now and buy another HD-DVD player? Nah, I'd prolly wait for the dual format player coming out by the mid to end of this year. Friggin HD-DVD prices are still too expensive, thank god for HD-DVD's from NetFlix!

If I'll hear another xbox user call themselves an adopter, I swear I'll let the chinese food place adopt my cat .

The trouble is, this new dual format player will probably be more expensive than a blu-ray player, making it way out of my price range (I'm not spending the same amount for a player as I am for my upcoming revised sound system)

Did you sell your PS2 when they abandoned the HDD? Did you sell it when they came out with the slim version with built in ethernet port?
I don't see people boycotting Nintendo for releasing a thiner, smaller, and more brighter LCD Gameboy DS..

It's part of purchasing a console and every console developer has done it inculding Sony the company that you've been lining the pockets of for years now also

I'm an adopter. Now I'm hungry for some chinese food...

for me the hold back was that im out of component spots and guess i could have gotten the VGA adapter, but now ... hdmi baby.

for people still complaining and wanting to 'exchange' ... do you think any electronic company would do that? We've mentioned this before but like the ps2, iPod, HDTV's .... technology gets betting in the future (deal with it)

I wanna see M$'s response to this one

Yeah! EVGA, give me an 8800GTX to replace my 1 year old 7800GTX NOW!!

Ummm, can you ask the guy to show a video of the 120GB HDD if it has that on it please , also just wanted to point out it DOES NOT have an HD-DVD drive on it. If you freeze the video at 01:07 there is no HD-DVD symbol on the drive.

Wah I paid $440 for my Toshiba HD-A1, and 6 months later the HD-A2 came out. Now I want that, wah wah wah.

If some of you were as ambitious in the rest of your lives as you are on here about your Xbox 360/bashing MS, maybe you'd be less angry. Hey, maybe you'd be in a situation where you could afford to sell your existing 360, and throw in an extra $200 to buy a new one

Deal with it.... technology evolves daily, your not living in the 80's anymore where you wait 4 years for a new console to come out with no changes. Oh no, Nintendo is including Duck Hunt, and Super Mario brothers with the console? Those baastards.... and they get the gun free too? WAHHHHHHHHHHH

Good ol' Duck Hunt

Does HD-DVD use the same or a different laser as normal DVD players? I thought in one of the threads I real that the 360 laser is different than most. I can't imagine MS getting Toshiba to make a totally custom HD-DVD/360 drive just for them. Normal DVD drives is one thing, HD-DVD drives... too much of a premium cost there.....



For the early adopter whiners....

We need a clip of the dog from Duck Hunt when you manage to miss everything....

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This is total bullshit microsoft.
I want a free exchange to this upgrade model.
lying bastards no hdmi lying bastards.

well its still in its warranty period hell it was only launched here 9 months ago.

when was the ps2 hdd launched what 5-6 years into the consoles run, not from launch and how long did it last, for what for 1 or 2 games. I rarley ever pick up first gen nintendo stuff as they have always upgrade the faults with there old stuff and release it with a new name i expected better out of microsoft or atleast to make it to a 3-4 years without major revisions to components