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Rotfloljfk
Is it possible to take a portion of your hard drive and make it RAM, or does it have to be an actual Ram card?
throwingks
Windows already does it. It is called Virtual Memory. You can manually set a max an min to optimize it and make it run better.

Control Panel / System Properties / Advanced / Performance Settings / Advanced / Change

Minimum should be 1.5x your RAM
and Maximum should be 3x your RAM

Preferably on a harddrive that does not house your OS. If you only have 1 harddrive don't worry about it.

So if you have 512MB
Min = 768MB
Max = 1536MB

CJLee89
yeah its called paging.
CJLee89
so if i have 2GB of RAM can i just disable this to utilize all my RAM instead of using HDD space??
throwingks
You could but I don't see the benefit. You are going to use the 2GB of RAM regardless. XP can handle up to 4GB (I think only 3GB of physical). If, by the rare chance, that all 2GB fill up you are going to want the extra from the paging file.
CJLee89
not to sound like a newb but how would i see how much is being used?
throwingks
Task Manager / Performance

This prog defrags the pagefile:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysintern...PageDefrag.mspx
CJLee89
IPB Image

lol. whats all this mean?
Alex548
Here's a nice freeware program I use to track my RAM usage and defrag it when necessary.
WinOverBoost. Very easy to configure and absolutely noob friendly.
IPB Image

TuneUp Utilities is also a very nice utility software package that includes RAM defrag, Registry Defrag, Registry cleaner, disk cleaner, etc. . . . But it's not free. Click here for more info/free trial
CJLee89
thanks. well i am running 12 programs right now. anti-virus, excel, word, nero, cyber-shot ultility, WMP, iTunes (playing), media center, task manager, IE, FireFox (multiple tabs), and AIM. and physical remains at 1,297,300K available at the lowest.
throwingks
QUOTE(CJLee89 @ Jan 26 2007, 04:58 PM) *
lol. whats all this mean?
It means you didn't know you can press 'Alt - <Prt Scr>' to capture only the current window. laugh.gif

Alex, I never saw those Apps before, I will check them out.
CJLee89
ok lol. my bad. i will admit i didnt know that.
Alex548
If you can spare $30, Tune Up Utilities is an absolutely great program.
I bought it after reading a review in PC magazine. I also like their embedded win Styler program.
With it, I can change the default startup image as well as use custom icons.

Of course, I use the 1-click maintenance feature almost daily. biggrin.gif
Screenshots of the 1-click maintenance I just performed:
IPB Image
IPB Image
IPB Image

CJLee89
well all i want to know is can i turn off paging and just use my RAM. i dont really want HDD space to be used for this.
Alex548
PC's are pre-configured to use Virtual RAM to make things go smoother and run more efficiently.
Of course, you can turn off the Paging files and force your PC to run strictly through your RAM.

Doing this may cause some instabilitiy issues and everytime I've done this, it affects my shutdown capabilities (PC never shuts down when I tell it to).

If you have more than 1 gig of RAM, go ahead and turn off VRAM if you'd like. If you don't like the results, simply turn it back on. If you're running a 5400RPM hdd, you're better off turning off your VRAM anyway.
sicknasty413
Hmm..

So let's see..I have 2gb of RAM..and like 1.4tb of HDD space..

..so I can have like 2.5gb of Virtual memory or like..6gb of virtual memory!?!? jesus christ O_o
Rotfloljfk
QUOTE(Alex548 @ Jan 26 2007, 05:28 PM) *

PC's are pre-configured to use Virtual RAM to make things go smoother and run more efficiently.
Of course, you can turn off the Paging files and force your PC to run strictly through your RAM.

Doing this may cause some instabilitiy issues and everytime I've done this, it affects my shutdown capabilities (PC never shuts down when I tell it to).

If you have more than 1 gig of RAM, go ahead and turn off VRAM if you'd like. If you don't like the results, simply turn it back on. If you're running a 5400RPM hdd, you're better off turning off your VRAM anyway.



wow... this grew fast.

Where can I tell how many RPM's my HDD is?
CJLee89
QUOTE(Alex548 @ Jan 26 2007, 05:28 PM) *

PC's are pre-configured to use Virtual RAM to make things go smoother and run more efficiently.
Of course, you can turn off the Paging files and force your PC to run strictly through your RAM.

Doing this may cause some instabilitiy issues and everytime I've done this, it affects my shutdown capabilities (PC never shuts down when I tell it to).

If you have more than 1 gig of RAM, go ahead and turn off VRAM if you'd like. If you don't like the results, simply turn it back on. If you're running a 5400RPM hdd, you're better off turning off your VRAM anyway.

i indeed have a 5400RPM hdd. its in a laptop.
Rotfloljfk
QUOTE(CJLee89 @ Jan 26 2007, 06:00 PM) *

i indeed have a 5400RPM hdd. its in a laptop.



HOW DID YOU FIND THAT OUT?????
throwingks
QUOTE(sicknasty413 @ Jan 26 2007, 05:34 PM) *
Hmm..

So let's see..I have 2gb of RAM..and like 1.4tb of HDD space..

..so I can have like 2.5gb of Virtual memory or like..6gb of virtual memory!?!? jesus christ O_o
Depends on your OS.
QUOTE(Rotfloljfk @ Jan 26 2007, 05:58 PM) *
wow... this grew fast.

Where can I tell how many RPM's my HDD is?
What HDD do you have?
Rotfloljfk
QUOTE(throwingks @ Jan 26 2007, 06:09 PM) *

Depends on your OS.What HDD do you have?



I don't know... lol
CJLee89
QUOTE(Rotfloljfk @ Jan 26 2007, 06:01 PM) *

HOW DID YOU FIND THAT OUT?????

i found my PC on the toshiba website and it told me. smile.gif
throwingks
Start / Run / compmgmt.msc / Disc Management / Disc 0 / <right click> properties
Rotfloljfk
QUOTE(throwingks @ Jan 26 2007, 06:33 PM) *

Start / Run / compmgmt.msc / Disc Management / Disc 0 / <right click> properties



It says the manufacturer is (Standard Disc Drives) and the model or w/e is WDC WD1600BB-22RDA0
throwingks
Quick search of 'WD1600BB' on google gives us this:
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.as...amp;language=en
QUOTE
160 GB, 100 MB/s, 2 MB Cache, 7200 RPM


So yours is 7200rpm
sicknasty413
QUOTE(throwingks @ Jan 26 2007, 06:09 PM) *

Depends on your OS.

I have Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
throwingks
QUOTE(sicknasty413 @ Jan 26 2007, 08:06 PM) *

I have Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
Max 4Gb of memory physical + virtual
CJLee89
so i have turned off paging about 2 hours ago and no problems whatsoever. and it seems like it sped up a little. smile.gif thanks for the suggestions.
throwingks
CJ, don't take a guess. Benchmark both and see which is better.
http://www.sisoftware.co.uk/
Rotfloljfk
So since my hdd is 7200 RPM I was wondering: I only have 512MB of RAM, and want to upgrade to vista, but the aero minumum is 1GB, so could I upgrade and raise my Virtual Memory and use that instead of buying more RAM?
throwingks
no
_iffy
^ so how much combined ram is vista suppose to support.

BTW - I haven't seen a reason to upgrade yet.
throwingks
QUOTE(_iffy @ Jan 27 2007, 10:38 AM) *

^ so how much combined ram is vista suppose to support.

I had no idea so I did some searching.

I think this is how it goes:
32bit (all versions) - 4GB
64bit (home basic) - 8GB
64bit (home premium) - 16GB
64bit (all else) - 128GB
QUOTE
BTW - I haven't seen a reason to upgrade yet.

I haven't seen a good reason to upgrade Win98 yet. I would have said Win95 but I like USB smile.gif
But, like every other sap out there, I upgraded before and I will do it again. sad.gif
Although, I think I will stick with XP until I get a 64bit CPU and a DirectX 10 video card.
gainpresence
Don't get too excited about the paging file.. It's not unlimited memory, it's a fallback incase you run out of real RAM.

Most RAM today runs at about 3GB per second (double that in some cases), and the paging file (your hard drive) runs typically 40MB per second (double with raid). MAJOR difference.
JDawg117
Does Virtual memory have to be a HD? I just checked virtual memory and it listed all the drives on my computer. If I put an sd card or flash drive into drive J or something, could I use that as virtual memory?
CJLee89
ok so i have disabled paging and havent had a problem. i have read that after you disable it the pagefile.sys is still on the HDD. how would i go about deleting this to regain this space?
CJLee89
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