It's coming: Bungie is getting the Halo 3 ban-hammer ready Posted by XanTium | October 22 17:21 EST | News Category: Xbox360 |
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[QUOTE] If you're a cheater or an online trouble-maker in Halo 3, Bungie has it in for you. Last Friday they posted a message--more of a threat, really--saying that they know who you are, and they're not happy. "There are those of you doing things you shouldn't be in Halo 3. Some of you have gotten a little too famous for your own good. This ain't a church and there is no redemption or salvation once you have been judged. Apologies are now officially too late to save you. The storm approaches. Love, Bungie" [/QUOTE] Full Story: arstechnica.com |
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lol good stuff... no more cheaters...
Is there really cheats for halo 3? Or are people modding it already..hmm im kind of curious to know what they're basing this ban on.
QUOTE(dylan_snyder09 @ Oct 22 2007, 10:41 PM) 
Is there really cheats for halo 3? Or are people modding it already..hmm im kind of curious to know what they're basing this ban on.
There are several GLitches in the game but why ban just patch the damn glitches someone mentioned an example of warhawk for ps3 they are patching glitches not banning PEEPS for that .....to find out what are the glitches google SEARCH people
Now they just need to get rid of the people who join ranked and say "Anyone wanna get some achievements?"
They could also be banning people for being upleasant to play with too. I do have to say there are some real A**Holes on live these days.
At higher levels, various attacks like DoS attacks are becoming increasingly commonplace, as well as other means of attacking users' connections.
I've been bridged out of the game before it started, lagged out once the game is in progress, and so on (it's not my connection, and it's very hard for me to suffer a DoS attack as the bandwidth required would stop most users)
I've been bridged out of the game before it started, lagged out once the game is in progress, and so on (it's not my connection, and it's very hard for me to suffer a DoS attack as the bandwidth required would stop most users)
While it's not nice to cheat, it's an entirely different thing to abuse a glitch, and a whole different pile of shit to be banned for doing so.
Glitches are IN THE GAME, FIX THEM!
If I was banned for using a glitch in the game, I'd definitely be having my lawyer give Bungie a call. I paid for the game (That so called glitch is in), I pay for Live and I am entirely in my rights to play it on Live. If you don't want people using glitches.....FIX EM YOU LAZY BASTARDS!
With that said, I don't even own a 360, let alone Halo 3. I jut hate lazy developers that would rather ban people than fix their own mistakes. I'd sue.
Glitches are IN THE GAME, FIX THEM!
If I was banned for using a glitch in the game, I'd definitely be having my lawyer give Bungie a call. I paid for the game (That so called glitch is in), I pay for Live and I am entirely in my rights to play it on Live. If you don't want people using glitches.....FIX EM YOU LAZY BASTARDS!
With that said, I don't even own a 360, let alone Halo 3. I jut hate lazy developers that would rather ban people than fix their own mistakes. I'd sue.
QUOTE(millio007 @ Oct 22 2007, 05:51 PM)
There are several GLitches in the game but why ban just patch the damn glitches someone mentioned an example of warhawk for ps3 they are patching glitches not banning PEEPS for that .....to find out what are the glitches google SEARCH people
Actually they'll be doing both in Warhawk just like I'm sure they'll do for H3.
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Warhawk's 1.1 patch is hitting by the end of the month and along with it a new form of in-game judge and jury: The Arbiters.
First the patch info though, 1.1 looks to be mostly about dealing with ping issues, stability and stat problems. Hit the jump for all of the mumbo-jumbo. What I really find interesting is Warhawk's advent of the arbiter. The Warhawk arbiters are members of the online services groups in the US and Europe who will be keeping an eye on the leader boards, community stats and in-games, all undercover.
Essentially these men and women will be on the hunt for griefers and cheaters and will be armed with the ability to warn players or "call a player out to prove his or her skills." Their Judge Dredd like judgment can take the form of an email warning, forum post, a kick from a game, a full stat cleansing or banning. Pretty interesting idea for an online shooter I think, typically this is more something you see with MMOs.
First the patch info though, 1.1 looks to be mostly about dealing with ping issues, stability and stat problems. Hit the jump for all of the mumbo-jumbo. What I really find interesting is Warhawk's advent of the arbiter. The Warhawk arbiters are members of the online services groups in the US and Europe who will be keeping an eye on the leader boards, community stats and in-games, all undercover.
Essentially these men and women will be on the hunt for griefers and cheaters and will be armed with the ability to warn players or "call a player out to prove his or her skills." Their Judge Dredd like judgment can take the form of an email warning, forum post, a kick from a game, a full stat cleansing or banning. Pretty interesting idea for an online shooter I think, typically this is more something you see with MMOs.
There are a number of glitches in the game the game that if a player knows about they can be exploited for an unfair advantage
Standby cheating still works
DoSing your opponents works
And then there are those that boost in ranked maches by way of dummy accounts as well as the alternative language method.
on a whole though it's a lot better than Gears or Halo 2.
I'm guessing they're going after glitchers and rank boosters.
just because they haven't patched the game doesn't mean it's ok to shoot through walls, double melee or standby.
Standby cheating still works
DoSing your opponents works
And then there are those that boost in ranked maches by way of dummy accounts as well as the alternative language method.
on a whole though it's a lot better than Gears or Halo 2.
I'm guessing they're going after glitchers and rank boosters.
just because they haven't patched the game doesn't mean it's ok to shoot through walls, double melee or standby.
i guess they are going to ban Gilbert Arenas since he admitted to doing the dummy account thing.
1. I HIGHLY doubt that Bungie is going after glitchers. It is soo much easier for them to push out an update to fix that stuff rather than deal with the rash of angry users who are banned or not banned or who are falsely banned, etc...
2. How are players getting the IP Addresses of opponents to DoS them? Are they threading their inet connections through their pc and getting ip connection info in real time or what? Are there really specialized programs for this stuff?
3. Where are they coming up with enough bw to dos a bunch of players
4. I wish Bungie could remotely fry those peoples' xboxen...
Anyhow...
2. How are players getting the IP Addresses of opponents to DoS them? Are they threading their inet connections through their pc and getting ip connection info in real time or what? Are there really specialized programs for this stuff?
3. Where are they coming up with enough bw to dos a bunch of players
4. I wish Bungie could remotely fry those peoples' xboxen...
Anyhow...
QUOTE(IJTF_Cinder @ Oct 22 2007, 11:57 PM)
While it's not nice to cheat, it's an entirely different thing to abuse a glitch, and a whole different pile of shit to be banned for doing so.
Glitches are IN THE GAME, FIX THEM!
If I was banned for using a glitch in the game, I'd definitely be having my lawyer give Bungie a call. I paid for the game (That so called glitch is in), I pay for Live and I am entirely in my rights to play it on Live. If you don't want people using glitches.....FIX EM YOU LAZY BASTARDS!
With that said, I don't even own a 360, let alone Halo 3. I jut hate lazy developers that would rather ban people than fix their own mistakes. I'd sue.
Definetly +1, best post that describes my opinion..
But I'm Japanese so I play Lone Wolves with my language selected so I can play with my Japanese buddies >_<
QUOTE(SomeoneX @ Oct 22 2007, 05:56 PM)
At higher levels, various attacks like DoS attacks are becoming increasingly commonplace, as well as other means of attacking users' connections.
I've been bridged out of the game before it started, lagged out once the game is in progress, and so on (it's not my connection, and it's very hard for me to suffer a DoS attack as the bandwidth required would stop most users)
What do you mean about bandwith for DoS attacks? I don't know anything about them, probably because it has never happened to me. Is having high bandwith good or bad or what?
QUOTE(JimmyGoon @ Oct 22 2007, 06:23 PM)
2. How are players getting the IP Addresses of opponents to DoS them? Are they threading their inet connections through their pc and getting ip connection info in real time or what? Are there really specialized programs for this stuff?
Anyhow...
Yes, that is pretty much what they are doing. I am pretty sure that DoSing is also illegal so this could be a big problem.
P.S. Your bandwidth has little to no bearing on a DoS attack, flooding the TCP/IP stack with too many requests is generally the most common means of attack.
ICMP floods are also a common method, and are easily perpetrated against normal users without adequate protection.
ICMP floods are also a common method, and are easily perpetrated against normal users without adequate protection.
Bungie is so arrogant
There's more info on the Bungie forums along with some "proven" cheating situations. To lazy to find the link. 
QUOTE(IJTF_Cinder @ Oct 22 2007, 06:47 PM)
P.S. Your bandwidth has little to no bearing on a DoS attack, flooding the TCP/IP stack with too many requests is generally the most common means of attack.
ICMP floods are also a common method, and are easily perpetrated against normal users without adequate protection.
So what do I need to do to become adequately protected?
QUOTE(JimmyGoon @ Oct 22 2007, 06:23 PM)
1. I HIGHLY doubt that Bungie is going after glitchers. It is soo much easier for them to push out an update to fix that stuff rather than deal with the rash of angry users who are banned or not banned or who are falsely banned, etc...
2. How are players getting the IP Addresses of opponents to DoS them? Are they threading their inet connections through their pc and getting ip connection info in real time or what? Are there really specialized programs for this stuff?
3. Where are they coming up with enough bw to dos a bunch of players
4. I wish Bungie could remotely fry those peoples' xboxen...
Anyhow...
Anyone with a smoothwall router and some namebrand routers can easily look at the logs of the router to find the ip's of the people in their arena.
Once they have that ip they can simply keep sending hits or packets to that ip which will make that player/s lag like a mofo.
This is not only a pathetic way to gain an advantage but it is very very illegal aswell.
Anyone doing a DOS/Denial of service attack should not only be banned but should have their xbox 360's fried by ms the next time they log in.
Others using glitches to gain an advantage should also be banned end of story.
You know using that glitch is wrong dont try and pawn it on the gamemeaker and say well he made it so its his fault.
Your a weak pathetic joke of a human and good riddins to ya enjoy the tip of bungies boot up your queer rear.
QUOTE(IJTF_Cinder @ Oct 22 2007, 10:57 PM)
With that said, I don't even own a 360, let alone Halo 3. I jut hate lazy developers that would rather ban people than fix their own mistakes. I'd sue.
So if you don't even own an X360, what makes you so certain that this is about glitches?
Where did the term "Glitch" come from? It makes the problem sound so trivial.
If they put the same effort into making sure their masterpiece was ready for market as they have advertising it to the point of nausea I think Bungie would have a reason to ban people for this glitch, bug, whatever you call it.
The game is bugged.
I acknowledge that no software is perfect however to go after those using the feature in the game (Whether I/you agree with it or not) without first issuing a patch, recall or whatever is in bad taste.
If someone uses dirty tactics (DoS etc) to gain advantage then fair enough, they should be banned but it sounds like the game has other problems - I don't know, I've never played it.
This is what playtesters and beta testers are for - not to merely play the game but to break it.
Apparently the game has a flaw (Bug). Shouldn't Bungie first address the problem they created?
If they put the same effort into making sure their masterpiece was ready for market as they have advertising it to the point of nausea I think Bungie would have a reason to ban people for this glitch, bug, whatever you call it.
The game is bugged.
I acknowledge that no software is perfect however to go after those using the feature in the game (Whether I/you agree with it or not) without first issuing a patch, recall or whatever is in bad taste.
If someone uses dirty tactics (DoS etc) to gain advantage then fair enough, they should be banned but it sounds like the game has other problems - I don't know, I've never played it.
This is what playtesters and beta testers are for - not to merely play the game but to break it.
Apparently the game has a flaw (Bug). Shouldn't Bungie first address the problem they created?
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-chaz-
Whatever the exploit is, it's worse than just causing lag in the game. It's very similar to the Halo 2 exploit talked about above. I've been in a number of games in the past couple of weeks where the game lags out, but when we return suddenly the other team has more kills then they did when we lagged
Whatever the exploit is, it's worse than just causing lag in the game. It's very similar to the Halo 2 exploit talked about above. I've been in a number of games in the past couple of weeks where the game lags out, but when we return suddenly the other team has more kills then they did when we lagged
This was a quote from the other forum where the person was talking about ppl removing the network cable just long enough to create a delay.
I just had that happen to me the other day while playing and I thought something wasnt right. Basically my whole team was affected and when we came to life the other teams score had jumped by some crazy number. They kept trying to do it over and over in the game.
I didnt realize at the time that this was what was going on.
I wish I had remember the id of those players.
QUOTE(hat @ Oct 23 2007, 12:34 AM)
Where did the term "Glitch" come from? It makes the problem sound so trivial.
If they put the same effort into making sure their masterpiece was ready for market as they have advertising it to the point of nausea I think Bungie would have a reason to ban people for this glitch, bug, whatever you call it.
The game is bugged.
I acknowledge that no software is perfect however to go after those using the feature in the game (Whether I/you agree with it or not) without first issuing a patch, recall or whatever is in bad taste.
If someone uses dirty tactics (DoS etc) to gain advantage then fair enough, they should be banned but it sounds like the game has other problems - I don't know, I've never played it.
This is what playtesters and beta testers are for - not to merely play the game but to break it.
Apparently the game has a flaw (Bug). Shouldn't Bungie first address the problem they created?
As a programmer, i have to step up to this "if it's a glitch, fix it" and the part about playtesters and such. Just think about how many lines of code in in halo 3. Here's the thing about programming and glitches. I'm not very versed in the glitches in halo 3 yet, but i remember the one in halo 2, where an elite could be in the worthog and detach their self to the bitmap, run across the map, grab the flag, be touch by their buddie, and be transported all the way across the map. when that glitch is found, then you can step through the code to find the problem. well, you find the problem, and now you may have created another problem. now the elites head is now located in the middle of the body and now head shots never work anymore... This is the vicious cycle of programming and glitches. It's not always so easy to just "fix" the glitch, because it almost always creates new problems.
The other thing to keep in mind about the playtesters is how many of them do they have testing the game? probably no more than 200 full time people. how many people are playing on halo 3? i know i've seen over 1 mill on at one time. that's alot more people to say "hey, i wonder if i do this what would happen".
what and this is news??? halo is well known for cheating! and cheaters. Its not our fault u have to cheat to make yourself better. If ya suck then just admit it!! good I hope they get banned off live blak list the credit card, there name ( real name ) they should never be allowed on xbox live again.
But hey keep em in halo and out of our hair!!
good for u Bungie!! cheaters FUC* YOU!!! damn kids.
and about the glitches, if there found then why use them, its still cheating, still shows you have to use that glitch to win instead of playing the real way. ive seen hundreds of glitches, and i dont use them.
i cant wait untill they stop making the halo series. or come out with a better game. the game is all whinners, and everyone keeps whining about the game..
it has problems it has problimatic people in it. if ya dont like it DONT FRIKEN PLAY IT!!!
But hey keep em in halo and out of our hair!!
good for u Bungie!! cheaters FUC* YOU!!! damn kids.
and about the glitches, if there found then why use them, its still cheating, still shows you have to use that glitch to win instead of playing the real way. ive seen hundreds of glitches, and i dont use them.
i cant wait untill they stop making the halo series. or come out with a better game. the game is all whinners, and everyone keeps whining about the game..
it has problems it has problimatic people in it. if ya dont like it DONT FRIKEN PLAY IT!!!
QUOTE(peter0328 @ Oct 23 2007, 09:39 AM)
Is having high bandwith good or bad or what?
A high level of bandwidth is a good thing, means you can transfer a lot of data at a time.
Im from australia and a majority of the time I play against aussies. I played it heaps in the first week but not so much now. I havnt seen a single glitch in the game, or any cheaters. Occasionly i'll get the black screen and scoreboard, like the loading screen, but usually thats due to legitimate lag or a player leaving. Kinda dodgy how its that sensitive, but ah well.
From what I know, i havnt been part of a DoS attack, but the people doing it should be banned. Its obvious they're cheating, they're going beyond the game to screw other people over, and its people like that who really shouldnt be allowed on the service. I hope they get what they deserve.
But on this note, i'd just like to say i've met heaps of great ppl on live (most aussies you play against are good, unless they less than 16 y/o) and its a great game with heaps of fun. I played with 3 of my mates on my big screen, they all had their live profiles on a memory card, and my other mate was out in the other room. We were in a party with another few friends who live closeby and some other guys from other states. We had a great time.
Looking forward to a big 16 player lan im organising for the end of november. Cant wait!
I'm glad they ban "glitchers". People who complain about using glitches and then getting banned are just dumb. Using any type of exploit, whether in game or on the dashboard, is against the ToS of Live, and thus is grounds to be banned.
I really enjoyed playing Halo 3 online up until I couldn't find a game where they weren't doing the standby thing. I don't think I've been DoS attacked yet, but I wouldn't put it past some of those people. I don't understand how someone can take a game so seriously that they feel they have to use any means necessary to win. It's a freaking game people. Ranked matches and social matches alike both suffer from standbying, it's ridiculous.
I really enjoyed playing Halo 3 online up until I couldn't find a game where they weren't doing the standby thing. I don't think I've been DoS attacked yet, but I wouldn't put it past some of those people. I don't understand how someone can take a game so seriously that they feel they have to use any means necessary to win. It's a freaking game people. Ranked matches and social matches alike both suffer from standbying, it's ridiculous.
lmao @ the guy on the first page of this post who "will sue"... read the ToS man!
They now have in-game video replays to prove things, like standby'ing. And that is perma-bannable!
They now have in-game video replays to prove things, like standby'ing. And that is perma-bannable!
QUOTE(flashfreak @ Oct 22 2007, 08:52 PM)
A high level of bandwidth is a good thing, means you can transfer a lot of data at a time.
Im from australia and a majority of the time I play against aussies. I played it heaps in the first week but not so much now. I havnt seen a single glitch in the game, or any cheaters. Occasionly i'll get the black screen and scoreboard, like the loading screen, but usually thats due to legitimate lag or a player leaving. Kinda dodgy how its that sensitive, but ah well.
From what I know, i havnt been part of a DoS attack, but the people doing it should be banned. Its obvious they're cheating, they're going beyond the game to screw other people over, and its people like that who really shouldnt be allowed on the service. I hope they get what they deserve.
But on this note, i'd just like to say i've met heaps of great ppl on live (most aussies you play against are good, unless they less than 16 y/o) and its a great game with heaps of fun. I played with 3 of my mates on my big screen, they all had their live profiles on a memory card, and my other mate was out in the other room. We were in a party with another few friends who live closeby and some other guys from other states. We had a great time.
Looking forward to a big 16 player lan im organising for the end of november. Cant wait!
Alright, thanks. So 20mbps down and 1mbps up is good for Live right?
first off, people who use and abuse glitches are inherently bad at video games and can't win unless they glitch. don't kid yourself, if you were any good you wouldn't be glitching. don't defend people who glitch and blame bungie for having the bug.. they should be banned for being fucking pathetic, not just for glitching. why the hell is it ok to use a bug to your advantage just because you read how to do it on a web page. how is that fair to anyone? the glitcher knows damn well he is fucking over other people with a bug, don't fucking defend that bullshit. imo, i hope they ban every single account that knowingly abused a glitch period. which i'm sure is pretty obvious to bungie who is abusing it.
there is a huge difference between finding a bug and abusing it. sure there are bugs in halo3, and bungie will probably release numerous patches. but people that glitch in every game they play just because "bungie hasn't fixed the bug", do not deserve to play on live.
there is a huge difference between finding a bug and abusing it. sure there are bugs in halo3, and bungie will probably release numerous patches. but people that glitch in every game they play just because "bungie hasn't fixed the bug", do not deserve to play on live.
Good news.
People who cheat/boost/etc piss me off. That's all I have to say.
People who cheat/boost/etc piss me off. That's all I have to say.
When will XBL start the stupidity ban?
Seriously -- the motto ban and now this. I'm likin' it.
Seriously -- the motto ban and now this. I'm likin' it.
QUOTE(sicknasty413 @ Oct 23 2007, 04:03 AM)
Good news.
People who cheat/boost/etc piss me off. That's all I have to say.
while i agree a 100%... they SHOULD FIX those glitches.
Yet another reason for M$ to ban its own members. Great.
I agree, why not patch the glitchs and NOT punish those paying for online play. This is rubbish.
I agree, why not patch the glitchs and NOT punish those paying for online play. This is rubbish.
Great news... but why not fix the rating system while they do it?
It doesn't seem right that you can go on a MVP spree in Team Slayer, and still drop 3 ratings because you get matched up with bad teams each game.
It doesn't seem right that you can go on a MVP spree in Team Slayer, and still drop 3 ratings because you get matched up with bad teams each game.
QUOTE(Symph0ny @ Oct 22 2007, 11:37 PM)
Great news... but why not fix the rating system while they do it?
It doesn't seem right that you can go on a MVP spree in Team Slayer, and still drop 3 ratings because you get matched up with bad teams each game.
Can't you get mvp for just having most kills while also having a bad kill/death spread? IMO that would deserve a loss of skill rating since you are actually helping the other team by giving them more points than you earned your own team.
Calm before the storm hehe
QUOTE(unistyle @ Oct 22 2007, 09:45 PM)
first off, people who use and abuse glitches are inherently bad at video games and can't win unless they glitch. don't kid yourself, if you were any good you wouldn't be glitching. don't defend people who glitch and blame bungie for having the bug.. they should be banned for being fucking pathetic, not just for glitching. why the hell is it ok to use a bug to your advantage just because you read how to do it on a web page. how is that fair to anyone? the glitcher knows damn well he is fucking over other people with a bug, don't fucking defend that bullshit. imo, i hope they ban every single account that knowingly abused a glitch period. which i'm sure is pretty obvious to bungie who is abusing it.
there is a huge difference between finding a bug and abusing it. sure there are bugs in halo3, and bungie will probably release numerous patches. but people that glitch in every game they play just because "bungie hasn't fixed the bug", do not deserve to play on live.
Holy crap, right on the money. I hope they not only ban the account, but ban the system as well. That would shake ppl up. You don't know how many times I've played GOW and have gotten so frustrated with all the glitching. People going through the map, people moving ULTRA fast, people chainsaw glitching.. Blahh, I'm pissed just thinking about those days..
Im sure they will be banning anyone messing with connections.
GOOD! its about time, now when were playing kids in 2v2 and they start jumping off the map to win... I HOPE BUNGIE FREEZES THEIR ACCOUNTS! and ban their 360's!
no more standby now.. HAHAHAHA
no more standby now.. HAHAHAHA
I believe that they should not be banning for glitches. I agree that people who glitch every game just to win or get an advantage is wrong. But I also believe they should not be banned because of Bungies mistake. Bungie needs to take the time to fix the glitch, end of story. People who are DoS and what not need to be banned because that is not a glitch. That is something that can not be taken care of by Bungie unless they host there own servers. That is also illegal in some places. I realize that many people are pissed because glitching is cheating to some extent. But there is no reason to ban them. The people who want glitches gone need to take there frustration out at Bungie more so than the individual using the glitch. If Bungie does ban them what will that stop. NOTHING. People will make more accounts and continue until the problems are solved. Just as in Halo 2 where people would use the free 2 month trial accounts to boost there regular user account until the 2 month free trial account was banned. Banning will not stop anything. Fixing the problem at the roots will. If there is a glitch in the game then everyone can use this glitch so why do people bitch and complain? Everyone has the same advantages and disadvantages.
QUOTE(CompFreak07 @ Oct 23 2007, 06:13 AM)
I believe that they should not be banning for glitches. I agree that people who glitch every game just to win or get an advantage is wrong. But I also believe they should not be banned because of Bungies mistake.
You really didn't read the ToS, even when people told you it was in the ToS...QUOTE(Xbox Live ToS @ Oct 23 2007, 06:13 AM)
Some examples of harmful activity that we do not permit include: (i) trying to gain access to any account, computers, hardware or networks related to this Service without authorization; (ii) disrupting accounts, computers, hardware or networks related to the Service; (iii) obtaining or trying to obtain any data through any means from the Service, except if we intend to provide or make it available to you; (iv) using the Service or related hardware to obtain any data to design, develop or update unauthorized software that you use or provide to others to access or use in connection with the Service; (v) charging others to use the Service either directly or indirectly; (vi) using or distributing unauthorized cheats, macros or scripts; (vii) exploiting any bug, or making unauthorized modifications to any software or data, in the Service or particular game to gain unfair advantage in a game.
QUOTE(Xbox Live ToS @ Oct 23 2007, 06:13 AM)
We may change the Service or delete or discontinue features, games or other content at any time and for any reason. We may cancel or suspend your Service at any time. Our cancellation or suspension may be without cause and/or without notice.
People who don't or can't read the ToS should also be banned imo.
maybe if the game was any fun, i would actually be bothered ..it ain't so i don't care ..Yawn!. xbox-scene has gone down the pan in time it seems, xbox-scene is like one big halo fan club ..lol
spoon
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QUOTE(steveju @ Oct 23 2007, 08:38 AM)
You really didn't read the ToS, even when people told you it was in the ToS...
People who don't or can't read the ToS should also be banned imo.
I said what I believe not what is right or wrong. I have read the ToS after people posted saying they can ban for glitching. It also says they can cancel / ban anytime for any reason or without one. I don't think that is right either but it doesn't matter what anyone thinks except Microsoft. Didn't realize I would get flamed for stating my opinion on the matter.
QUOTE(CompFreak07 @ Oct 23 2007, 09:25 AM)
I said what I believe not what is right or wrong.
I understood that, but what you were saying was that cheaters shouldn't be punished because the game allows them to cheat. That's like saying that someone could hack a website and say that the server let them hack it, so it shouldn't be illegal and they shouldn't be punished for it.Glitching is not cheating to some extent, it's just plain cheating (it defines the term: "cheating"). Also stating that "there is no reason to ban" these cheaters is blatantly against the ToS which you claim to have read. I can understand if someone accidentally does a glitch, I've seen it happen on many other games, but if they purposefully do the glitch and so gain an unfair advantage over others who don't know how to do it... well, I've just defined cheating.
Can someone tell me what this is?
"Someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response."
QUOTE(Bubbalynch @ Oct 22 2007, 11:32 PM)
Yet another reason for M$ to ban its own members. Great.
I agree, why not patch the glitchs and NOT punish those paying for online play. This is rubbish.
why not punish those?
dont justify it by saying "paying for online play" thats not the point here. Theres kids and imatures out there that dont have any skills and think there gonna be better with a higher rank by boosting , glitching cheating. BAN THE FUC*ING hell out of them! they deserve it! If ya find a glitch, leave it alone!! easy as that. if ya use it once fine, if ya keep using it, you dont deserve to play on xbox live. GROW THE FU*K UP!!
thats why i dont play any of the halo games. Cheating, too many kids, and imature people.
yes all games have kids, but halo takes the cake with kids and retards. STAY IN HALO and out of the real mans games.
one reason why kids shouldnt be allowed on xbox live. but since halo is a babysitter there mommys pay for there systems so they stay out of there hair ha ha.
its easy tho ya hear a retard or little kid come in the lobby just give em the boot right away thats what we do.
Every game has glitches. EVERY ONE.
It only seems like Halo 3 has more because more people are looking.
It only seems like Halo 3 has more because more people are looking.
Seriously, all the people trying to defend glitchers, it is really easy not to take advantage of the glitches. I'm level 32 and climbing in Lone Wolf, and until Bungie's post, I didn't even know there were glitches that people cheated off of in Halo 3. The only way you know is by seeking them out, so you can use them to your advantage, which is ****. Why can't anyone just play the game the way it was meant to be played? I don't mind exporation for fun on your own, like getting out of levels in Halo 1, but junk like super-jumping in Halo 2 to get a good sniping point was bs, and I hope Bungie lays down the banhammer on all of you.
QUOTE(IJTF_Cinder @ Oct 22 2007, 09:57 PM)
While it's not nice to cheat, it's an entirely different thing to abuse a glitch, and a whole different pile of shit to be banned for doing so.
Glitches are IN THE GAME, FIX THEM!
If I was banned for using a glitch in the game, I'd definitely be having my lawyer give Bungie a call. I paid for the game (That so called glitch is in), I pay for Live and I am entirely in my rights to play it on Live. If you don't want people using glitches.....FIX EM YOU LAZY BASTARDS!
With that said, I don't even own a 360, let alone Halo 3. I jut hate lazy developers that would rather ban people than fix their own mistakes. I'd sue.
I for one am not impressed with the juvenile comments of people who 1) reply to 360 related threads and don't even own a 360 2) rely on lawyers and legal tactics to solve their problems 3) make a number of ASSumptions without fully comprehending the situation.
Contrary to what you assume not all cheaters use software glitches. Even if there is a glitch that doesn't make it alright to use (good luck trying to get a lawyer to argue that case). Lastly the part about "online trouble-makers " should have clued you in that the banning isn't all about just cheaters.
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