TalisMoon Introduces Whisper Max Posted by XanTium | January 6 12:43 EST | News Category: Xbox360

From talismoon.com: [QUOTE] The Whisper Max - with the new nitro switch, has more cooling options and tuning options than any xbox cooler available! The ultimate Xbox 360 cooling fan. Product Description: The new Whisper Max is a deluxe version of the standard original Whisper fan with additional features: 1) COOLING: Nitro switch allows you to change between 12v and 5v power, more than doubling your air output with the press of a single button! Suitable for use with "game mode" and "movie mode" 2) LIGHTING: One product, 3 colors. When you install your whisper, you can choose between Blue, Green, or Red lights, or not install any at all. You can even change colors later. 3) QUALITY: Ball bearing construction is higher quality, lasts longer. Product Specs: * Direct replacement for your Xbox 360 fan * Can bring your Xbox 360 CPU temperature as low as 110F in "nitro mode" * 2 small heatsinks included, to help lower overall temperature * Compatible with Xbox 360 Elite and the original Xbox 360 [/QUOTE] Note x-s: Use 12v-mode of the fans on LIVE at own risk... Official Site: http://talismoon.com Buy Now ($25): divineo.com | divineo.cn More Media: All Pictures | Youtube Video

pretty neat, dont have alot of heating issues where im from, but i suppose if you did, this would be a nice lil addon (altho doing it would void ur warranty obviously)

sounds good but makes wonder if Microsoft could 'see' it, since they banned someone once for a 12v mod to the fan. I forget if I saw that here or from one of my modder buddies.

thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. banned for a 12v mod never would happen,maybe a dead dvd drive but thats it.

Looks nice. Although it sounds a bit like an infomircial, I'm sure it really improves cooling, like the original whispers. I also like the idea of the "nitro button" to bump the fans up to 12v while gaming. They can't be any louder than the dvd-drive, right . By the pics, it looks like they're drawing the 12v from the drive's power/eject cable. From what I've heard, I wouldn't recommend it for mods that draw a lot of amps, but a couple of fans and leds will work fine.

i'm sorry to inform.. but its true...

i'll look it up later but a user got banned.. he didn't have a modded drive (orso he said) phoned microsoft & they told him that his xbox fan wasn't 'factory'
aka a violation of the UAL


edit:
here you go
http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EE...EFkJwVSJWAg.php

No ban took place, he was told you could get banned. There has not been a case where a user has been banned just for doing the 12V mod.

Some CSRs aren't the brightest people in the world either (sorry), he /she might've been talking out of his ass. All that's clear is that they can see if we've done the mod.

One person does not make it true.... especially considering they only talked to customer service. The first tier of ANY customer service are generally clueless (or they'd have a different job).

I made the same kind of mod for my 360.. I have a switch for 12V or 5V.. and when I play offline I turn the switch on and when I go on LIVE I turn the switch off.. and so far i'm not banned as long as I think to turn off the switch when I go on live.

Xantium put the 12v LIVE warning there for a reason, to get people to think about what they are doing.

Maybe no one will ever get banned for things that alter the voltage usage.

Maybe.

Or maybe, since voltage usage is easy to monitor on the 360, and on PC's in general, it's something you really have to consider when going on LIVE.

The classic "keep your modified console off of LIVE" is still the best advice you will ever get. Anyone, at any point who violates the TOS and later gets nailed honestly has nothing to say on the matter, as they know full well the potential Ban-Hammer was looming.

Chips, firmware, Fans, whatever. All the same to MS and their TOS.

I'm glad he put that warning there. I'd rather have people know about the possibility, then not know and get snookered later.

What was that G.I.Joe saying from the early 80's.. "knowing is half the battle.."

If it aint broke don't fix it, but if you like this sort of thing then I would rather buy some fans and install them my self rather than a prebuilt kit.

i read the guy that was banned for the fan mod had also modded his firmware tho

Are you only taking a risk with a 12 volt mod? Or other voltages too?

Just hope this is better than the last whisper fan. Only difference I saw was that it had lights on. Its was as loud as the original fan and was just as fast. I still had to use the intercooler with this fitted, to stop the xbox 360 from freezing.

I know its sad, but it is true, if you open up the box and tamper with anything, Microsoft has the right to kick you, even if you are doing it just to try and save the console

I see no reason for the new fans, the old ones did nothing but cost me £10 and the stock ones seem to do the job

That's going to lead some noobs to ask...

"Does that mean it won't work with Xbox360 Core, Premium, Pro and Arcade versions?"

It's gonna happen and you know it. Why didn't they just say all Xbox360 versions and have it covered?

With of course that nifty little mod with the fan shroud.

So umm... when is it gonna be available and where can I buy it?

Who told him that he could be banned for a Fan MOD? A MS Hotline Supoorter? HAHAHAHA. they are more stupid than my stinking socks.

Don't believe such kind of shit from these dumbasses

it's very possible.

The 360 can monitor the current being drawn from the fan plug, if it is zero (since you hooked the fans to 12v or any other source), then the xbox will know something isn't right, and it could very easily relay this information to MS via xbox live.

Who knows what kind of information the box sends to MS: fan voltage/current, CPU/GPU temps, dvd drive status, etc.

Honestly I don't think the guy told the truth. I think the kid called MS, they said he was banned (most lily it was cause he modded his console) but told him something was modified. And he said well all i did was 12v mod it and then MS just said oh well thats it then. I just think the operator wanted off the phone.

Because the elite introduced a different fan connector and the two sockets are different shapes. Of course, it's definately easier to say that all are covered, but it's probably for if another version gets introduced with another different connector, this won't work (obviously).

Yeah this would be the most feasible explanation I've read so far, knowing that I've actually got the talismoon original fans hanging off my fan plug. As well as this I've got the XCM360 high speed fan hanging off my DVDrom power connector. I had my 360 do the 3RLoD about 4 months before Microsoft said "alright we'll give you 3 years warranty since we made a sh!t box 360 instead of an xbox 360". After getting it going again myself (I wasn't going to pay $200AUD to have it repaired), using rbjtech's heatsync mod and fan shroud separator, I added extra fans too so that more air would get shifted across the GPU heatsync.
If Microsoft do ever ban me from live for doing all this, I'll go buy a PS3, it's as simple as that. I gain no advantage over anyone for having my system adequately cooled (aside from I probably don't have as many lockups as most launch consoles get).

If you get the 12v power from the spot where the power supply is on the MB you would be fine.... but if you go any where else on the board they could tell.... my son has the intercooler on his and thats 3 12v fans running at 12v.

nice-looking product, but as many here have already stated - this would possibly risk the potential for banning from XBL so obviously this is not an install for any box under warranty or already working fine...

i understand why MS needs to ban to protect their service, but some mods like this (and yes, i know that just adding fans isn't a true mod) should not run even the risk of being banned...

If I ever get banned from XBL for having fans helping keep my box alive then Ill quit MS and play with my PS3....

You guys just arent getting it!

The voltage output is one of the easisest things for the 360 to monitor. The fact of the matter is the 360 can tell your running a 12V fan mod. Microsoft can get this information. Microsoft will ban you.

And in theese times of Ixtreme and all this crap about "Stealth" games the last thing you wanna do is go and run a hack which just screams to MS ban me.

Not worth it IMO

I like it, but what does suck is that I just ordered the original whisper fan a few days ago.

Also if I decide to do the 12v mod and I get ban I'll do like others have said...... I'll buy a PS3 no big deal.

I am tired of seeing the 12v mod ban question. Come on. So if I am playing my 360 online and my stock fans dies/stop spinning from wear and tear then I am banned. I think not.

I dought a dead fan or slow spinning fan would flag microsoft. I think that you guys are giving microsoft more credit than what they deserve. I can see a bad backup or causing a ban but not a fan.
Also everyone knows that if you play the 360 for a while and then restart it, the voltage on the fans go up to cool the system down to normal. People been using 12 volt mod for a long time now including myself. No problems. The way I see it, the ratio is 1 guy's word to thousands of people who have not been banned from a 12v mod.

BTW...I think that these new whisper max fans look awsome. I like the choice of colors and the speed select.

I can understand if I get ban for having a filmware hack. Or if I tell a newb to go swallow a knife etc etc etc. Or get caught using a rapid fire controller. Yet if I go open my console add some heatsink, change the thermal paste add a switch or just do the 12v fan mod. Things that they should have done from the factory but left up to the consumer ME to do. Because I busted my rear end off and save up to get a 360. Then have to cross my fingers and throw up the PLEASE GOD IF YOU START MY XBOX I NEVER DO THAT AGAIN speech everytime I start my console. Then who is at fault here. M$ for maybe rushing a unit to the market to fast or the consumer. Of course the consumer is at fault because he\she knows hey if I don,t do this or that to cool off this unit I be running a risk of my xbox dying. Yet if I open it then I sh#t out of luck here. But if M$ bans me because I had to fix there product to just play a game that is mess up

A friend of mine was baned because of the fans... I don't see other option as it was the only mod he had. His first xbox was firmware modded so he was banned, He sold it to someone who wasn't going to play online and bought another and putted the fan. No firmware has he likes live a lot and preferes just to buy the games. Banned! Maybe it was a mistake by microsoft as being a prior offender he must be closely monitored and they spotted the fan so he got the boot...

Thanks for the info, I wasn't actually aware of the new connector on Elites

the turbo button is all well and good, but as the original idea was sold on silence perhaps a rheostat that allows for a gradual gain where you can control the noise as well would have been better.

First off.... WHY IN THE WORLD would you buy a new xbox. break the seal to open your xbox to just install a fan, and not flash it... come on, no one has been banned for a FAN. If you run the power from the power supply on the mother board, you'll be safe.... then its just like you have the NYKO Intercooler EX... 12V from the power supply with 3 fans on it..... so you still think you can get banned.

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This is my buddys xbox and it has the 80mm on the outside and stock fans running 12v full speed.

The air coming out the back isnt even warm

im not saying its not true but ive had a 12v fan for about 6-7 months and i use LIVE daily so idn but im still not banned

Its not true...... next someone will tell me ms knows what color the leds on my fan are.

i've done both. hardwire to the mobo and tap into dvd drive power.
tap into dvd power seemed easier to do.
would you guys go online with the "nitro" switch on?
thanks

No it's not. And if you think it is, it's back to high-school Physics for you.

There's a reason we use the term 'voltage rail', and that's because (propagation speed in material notwithstanding) every point on a voltage rail is at the same potential. And for that rail to be useful, it's maintained at a sane potential by the regulated power supply. Any variation on the rail is down to this regulation, not the devices that are drawing electricity off it.

Voltages (potential differences) are between two points, and can only be measured by a device connected in parallel across these points (most voltmeters in a PC are from a voltage rail to ground). So to measure the voltage through a fan, your voltmeter needs to be inside the fan.

It is much more likely that what's being monitored is the rotation speed, as sensed by the fan's lightgate wire (if you could tell anything useful from just the voltage, why would PC fans need three wires?), in which case simply installing this fan puts you at risk of banning.

1. The 360's fans do not have a speed sense wire

2. Yes the 360 knows the fan voltage, since the 360 controls it.

3. It's my theory that the 360 can measure the CURRENT being drawn by the fan, if it is zero then it knows something is wrong (if the fan wasn't modded and the fan died then the 360 would overheat within x amount of time)

If it's controlling it using a programmable voltage regulator, the voltage will be the same, whether you connect a stock fan, a modified fan, or in fact anything that doesn't exceed to regulator's ability to deliver power. Even if it is monitoring the regulator's output (just to catch those dastardly fan modders!) it certainly can't tell that the fan is instead hooked up to the 12v rail.

If it's just using pulse width modulation, it has no idea what the voltage is, just the times it's being interrupted.

PWM is the cheapest and most efficient way to control a fan, but without taking my 360 apart and strapping it to a scope, I can't tell you which technique it's using.



Possible. But why not just measure the temperature directly? If the 360 was put in a cupboard and the fan didn't die, checking the fan speed would be no help. Also, if a fan is stuck, it still draws current (effectively it becomes a heater, not a fan). Which is why you need a sense wire to tell if a fan is actually working.

It could be looking for short/open on the fan header, or uncharacteristically low internal temperatures as a sign of modification. I'm not sure if that's more or less plausible then this 'reliable source' being full of shit, or a victim of social engineering, though.

Any current-based detection method could be countered simply by running the fan straight off a rail, and connecting a resistor across the fan header.

If you dont see a reason. Then you dont need it.
I dont like my box looking like everyone elses. And I'm not sticking some retarded skin on it so it can
peel off when the sys heats up and have that crap all over it.

My box on the other hand, I installed a clear money green case with 2 sets of green LED light strips inside and a DVD mod so I can see the disk spinning inside. Now the fan would be the only dark area of the system. This fan solves that purpose.

Also XBL does check your sys for voltage and if your online with a different fan voltage eventually you will get dinged.
(why do you think it says: "Note x-s: Use 12v-mode of the fans on LIVE at own risk"...)

Mod smart!

i have the old ones.. they work fine to me.. running at 12v.

We were discussing how you might go about detecting a fan mod.

In an adult discussion, there's no winner or loser, and no shame in being wrong. You, however, seem to be playing in a schoolyard argument: whoever shouts loudest or longest gets declared the winner.

Your assertion adds nothing; all you've brought to the discussion is 'it said so on the front page, so it must be true'.

We need facts, not opinions.

edit: removed puerile flaming.

been running 12v after my 3rd xbox went belly up. Have made it threw every dashboard update. No problems at all. I send you guys a reply if I ever get ban. Until then happy modding

I am using the High Speed XCM fans with LCD monitor on my console and the fans draw its power from the DVD drive. It does come with an inverter attatched to the fan which keeps the DVD drive from losing power that it needs. This talismoon fan should have something similar if it pulls from the drive.

How does it do that? Is there a tiny fusion reactor built into the fan? You can't get energy from nowhere. I see no magic inverter in the install guide (http://www.xcm.cc/xcm_high_speed_air_cooler_install_manual.htm): just a fan with some wires.


It's time for more high-school physics:

The 12v pin of the DVD header is connected to the 12v rail - a bus that's fed off the output of a regulated power supply. As you reduce the combined resistance of a load on a power supply, for instance by adding a fan, the current increases, and the voltage drops. Except if the power supply is regulated: regulated PSUs monitor the output voltage, and respond by feeding more power in. You could hook a microwave up to the 12v rail, and it would keep upping the power to keep the rail at 12v. If it didn't, it would be impossible to get anything done: merely spinning the drive up would lower the 12v voltage, and brown-out other devices that need 12v.

'Trying' is important here, though: the 'power' rating of a power supply is not a measure of any electrical property, but instead a limit past which the power supply is not guaranteed to operate safely. A 150w power supply will still try to deliver a kilowatt. It's just that it will overheat and cut-out or catch fire.

In the case of a circuit, there's a lower limit: the maximum safe current for the thinnest wire/trace in the circuit. This is the only thing stopping you hanging a ten fans, five lights, and a USB coffee-warmer off of the DVD connector: while the PSU can safely deliver the required current, the trace on the motherboard might melt.

Fans either draw enough current to melt the motherboard or they don't (and almost any fan that will fit in a computer won't): there's nothing additional circuitry can do to reduce the power they draw. As long as the motherboard and PSU don't melt or catch fire, every device on the rail will receive a regulated 12 volts. There's no need for a magic 'inverter' to protect your DVD drive.

I've been running 12v fan mod for over 6 months now, still kicking and I'm not banned from Live.

These fans do look sweet. I might just pick them up

I am really curious as to how people connected their talismoon whisper max's to their elites.. and if they are running 12v mode ok.. but can we shift the focus a bit?

Are the max's quieter than the last whisper series? (in normal 5v mode) Does it push MORE air than the whisper? Is the max quieter than nidec fans?

ok while all this is very nice info. I would like to see some actually opninons on the fans themselves, not whether or not you will get banned or not/

Does this fan make your xbox signifigantly cooler? And according to MR Fish, putting some fans on the dvd 12v source, is ok. What is you best option for hooking up fans safely?