Zoneout
Apr 21 2008, 02:02 PM
Hello everybody,
I've tried fixing the xbox with the x-clamp modification and it goes to 3 red rings then 2 (overheating) then vice versa whenever I tighten or loosen the screws.
Although I'm not sure if my senses are right, but I smelt an electronic smell later, and I noticed its an 0002 error, the dvd drive when removed is supposed to show blinking lights on the power button which isn't anymore, I'm not sure if the smell or that is related)
(It worked before after the RROD when I put the X-Clamp screw holders on the other side to clamp down the CPU and GPU heatsinks.)
Gave it to a mate then it updated then went E73. and hence the RROD soon after which explained at the start of the thread ^^^
Anyone have new ideas? (I have a heatgun but not sure if that's appropriate)
Cheers
j_s891
Apr 22 2008, 04:05 AM
I had the same prob and removed the xclamps as per lawdawgs method and ensured good clean surfaces on both surfaces of the cpu and gpu with corresponding heat sinks,,,, then applied the cheap stuff ie. $3 of thermal paste... So far very good and the xbox360 has been on 9+ hours a day for the past 3 days... I had a couple of freezes but that ended up being the cd itself... BLUF my tip to you is to ensure the clean surfaces and ensure the screws are tight,,, I guess not to tight as per other peoples guidence (I tightend the s$%^ out of mine without probs yet)...
GL
Zoneout
Apr 29 2008, 01:36 PM
I'm fairly sure it was not that, it now goes straight to the RROD whereas before it usually takes a few seconds before showing it.
Also before when I removed the DVD drive the power light blinks rapidly. This time it doesn't, It just stays green, the DVD Drive won't power up let alone eject (Works fine in any other console). Same goes with the fans, doesn't start.
Nothing wrong with the power supply, works with several 360's I've tried.
The error is 0002.
Anyone help me out on this?
(It was 0102 before, which after got fixed as explained above, and returned again to RROD. The 0102 RROD actually powers up, where the heatsinks get warm, fans running, dvd drive working and ejecting etc.)
Zoneout
Apr 29 2008, 11:29 PM
Anybody?
Zoneout
Apr 30 2008, 02:18 PM
Ok I've experimented with it. It came up with various errors.
0022
0020
0011
0012
0002 (dead end)
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It now seems to end up with 0022 now, I've tried heating the CPU up as anything that changes the error has always been something with the CPU, I sometimes hear a snap which I saw the errors changing. (When trying to screw/unscrew the heatsink in various ways.
It takes 10 seconds before showing anything (3 red rings with 0022 error).
- Tried to heat up the CPU with heatgun, didn't make any difference
- Tried to overheat the CPU without fans several times.
I noticed where the smell came from, looked a bit unusual but I saw a black burn spot where one of the screws on the upper left hand side of the heatsink on the bottom. I don't see any traces running through it at all, just an empty spot on the motherboard where the screw were. Wierd.
Anyone help please?
Wilhelm_I
Apr 30 2008, 06:24 PM
QUOTE(Zoneout @ Apr 30 2008, 03:54 PM)

Ok I've experimented with it. It came up with various errors.
0022
0020
0011
0012
0002 (dead end)
-------------------
It now seems to end up with 0022 now, I've tried heating the CPU up as anything that changes the error has always been something with the CPU, I sometimes hear a snap which I saw the errors changing. (When trying to screw/unscrew the heatsink in various ways.
It takes 10 seconds before showing anything (3 red rings with 0022 error).
- Tried to heat up the CPU with heatgun, didn't make any difference
- Tried to overheat the CPU without fans several times.
I noticed where the smell came from, looked a bit unusual but I saw a black burn spot where one of the screws on the upper left hand side of the heatsink on the bottom. I don't see any traces running through it at all, just an empty spot on the motherboard where the screw were. Wierd.
Anyone help please?
Well heating up the CPU doesnt help because the CPU is fine, X-S should edit the secondary error codes finally this just leads to people burning their CPUs to dead.
0022 is a problem with the GPU I suppose it is closely connected to the 1022(aka E74) error which is a problem with the connection of the GPU to the ANA scaler-chip.
So concentrate on the GPU, I could fix 0022 by replacing the X-Clamps and overheating the GPU however it didnt last long like a month later the error changed to 1022(E74).
So what I suggest is heatgun the GPU and the area from the GPU to the scaler-chip from both sides, until the solder melted.(it will get a golden glance after it melted)
After that apply AS5 and put the heatsink back on(use M5 screws, not the X-Clamps).
This tutorial clearly shows what you are supposed to do but remove the heatsink before using the heatgun because thats the only thing that the guy did wrong...
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=646900
Zoneout
May 1 2008, 02:52 PM
Uh ohh, I heatgunned with the heatsink on, so I guess it's safe to say that it's completely stuffed?
I tried even with the support pushing the CPU and GPU up, is that recommended?
Alright I will try heatgunning without the heatsink, I'm afraid it may be stuffed despite the errors changing?
- It could maybe explain why it takes a while (10 secs) before showing an 0022 error uh oh...
Wilhelm_I
May 1 2008, 04:01 PM
QUOTE(Zoneout @ May 1 2008, 04:28 PM)

Uh ohh, I heatgunned with the heatsink on, so I guess it's safe to say that it's completely stuffed?
I tried even with the support pushing the CPU and GPU up, is that recommended?
Alright I will try heatgunning without the heatsink, I'm afraid it may be stuffed despite the errors changing?
- It could maybe explain why it takes a while (10 secs) before showing an 0022 error uh oh...
the 10 seconds thingy is normal for this error might even take longer...
If you flattened the solderballs below the GPU the xbox would show 0001 or 0003 as it would shorten out...
just do it properly and it will work wait for the yellowish/golden glance thats the sign that the solder has reflowed...
Zoneout
May 2 2008, 04:37 PM
QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ May 2 2008, 01:37 AM)

the 10 seconds thingy is normal for this error might even take longer...
If you flattened the solderballs below the GPU the xbox would show 0001 or 0003 as it would shorten out...
just do it properly and it will work wait for the yellowish/golden glance thats the sign that the solder has reflowed...
Hrm yeah well, I've heated the bitch up again, to the point showing golden etc like you said.
It shows an overheating error 0011 (takes a few secs to show). I looked between the CPU/GPU and Mobo, and can see the solder balls, they seem to look fine.
Grr, why wouldn't it work haha, It worked with a simple under the board fix then its now insanely hard to get it working hrm..
Zoneout
May 3 2008, 05:01 AM
Now finally it's something different, 0010 - Southbridge problem
Wilhelm_I
May 3 2008, 08:47 AM
QUOTE(Zoneout @ May 3 2008, 06:37 AM)

Now finally it's something different, 0010 - Southbridge problem
LOL
Am not sure if this is a good sign
Time to heatgun the Southpridge
Zoneout
May 3 2008, 09:12 AM
Haha, I've basically going around in circles, its back to the bloody 0002 when I put it all back together with the x clamp replacement (not when loosened but always something else), f**k, I give up haha.
Thanks very much by the way

. it seems hard to fix, I dunno any reflowers in VIC Australia, as that could help.
Wilhelm_I
May 3 2008, 01:13 PM
QUOTE(Zoneout @ May 3 2008, 10:48 AM)

Haha, I've basically going around in circles, its back to the bloody 0002 when I put it all back together with the x clamp replacement (not when loosened but always something else), f**k, I give up haha.
Thanks very much by the way

. it seems hard to fix, I dunno any reflowers in VIC Australia, as that could help.
Try the oventrick as a last resort....
Maybe you are lucky...
aussie0275
May 3 2008, 02:02 PM
hey zoneout check your pm please
Zoneout
May 3 2008, 03:46 PM
The most stubborn 360 to date.
The final verdict:
0020
---------------------
7min 225 Degrees
Cool
0011
7Min 230 Degrees
0021
0020
---------------------
The most errors the 360 done at once that I've seen heh.
Well I guess I can say it's not worth retrievable (9 hours)
deadrising2day
Jul 10 2008, 01:04 AM
I'm in the same boat. I've had several errors and i'm stuck on 0022 now. I've tried all recommended methods of fixing this (heatgun, new thermal paste, tighten/loosen bolts). I've heard that flexing the board somehow could fix it. Maybe by putting more washers on one side and not the other?
Wilhelm_I
Jul 10 2008, 01:19 AM
QUOTE(deadrising2day @ Jul 10 2008, 02:40 AM)

I'm in the same boat. I've had several errors and i'm stuck on 0022 now. I've tried all recommended methods of fixing this (heatgun, new thermal paste, tighten/loosen bolts). I've heard that flexing the board somehow could fix it. Maybe by putting more washers on one side and not the other?
Did you heatgun the GPU and ANA-chip from the top and bottom of the mainboard and did you heatgun it for 4 minutes?
0022 is a bridged solder joint under the GPU and a fucked up connection fromt he GPU to the ANA chip
deadrising2day
Jul 10 2008, 03:02 AM
QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Jul 9 2008, 08:55 PM)

Did you heatgun the GPU and ANA-chip from the top and bottom of the mainboard and did you heatgun it for 4 minutes?
0022 is a bridged solder joint under the GPU and a fucked up connection fromt he GPU to the ANA chip
I did from the bottom mainly. A little from the top but i didnt want to keep it on top for long because theres alot of stuff to burn, lol. I pretty much followed the heatgunning guide on here word for word. I'll try again and i'll time it just to make sure its 4 minutes. How far should a hold the gun away from the board?
Wilhelm_I
Jul 10 2008, 04:00 AM
QUOTE(deadrising2day @ Jul 10 2008, 04:38 AM)

I did from the bottom mainly. A little from the top but i didnt want to keep it on top for long because theres alot of stuff to burn, lol. I pretty much followed the heatgunning guide on here word for word. I'll try again and i'll time it just to make sure its 4 minutes. How far should a hold the gun away from the board?
Hold the gun like 1.5 fists away from the mainboard...
Use this guide to heatgun and isolate the mainboard or you will fry your capacitors in these 4 minutes...
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=651407You preheat it on the lowest step for like a minute and then you do exactly 4 minutes on the second step.
After 3 minutes the solder hasnt reflowed properly yet and after 5 minutes and more the isolation will start smoking, 4 minutes is just perfect.
hippodude100
Jul 10 2008, 01:16 PM
about the 0002 you get isn't it caused (in your case) by turning the screws to tight ?
especially the black one's at the back, if I put them on thighter I to get the 0002.
bosnia_9
Jul 10 2008, 03:46 PM
What kind of washer set up are you using? like stated
If its this
CPU heatsink - metal washer - nylon washer - mobo - nylon washer - metal washer - screw
GPU heatsink - metal washer - nylon washer - mobo - nylon washer - metal washer - screw
try this
CPU heatsink - nylon washer - mobo - nylon washer - screw
GPU heatsink - nylon washer - mobo - nylon washer - screw
Basically remove the metal washers from your set up.. and tighten everything snug.. dont over tighten anything!
might have to do the heatgunning again and then do this washer set up idea
beast of luck
deadrising2day
Jul 10 2008, 10:53 PM
QUOTE(Wilhelm_I @ Jul 9 2008, 11:36 PM)

Hold the gun like 1.5 fists away from the mainboard...
Use this guide to heatgun and isolate the mainboard or you will fry your capacitors in these 4 minutes...
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=651407You preheat it on the lowest step for like a minute and then you do exactly 4 minutes on the second step.
After 3 minutes the solder hasnt reflowed properly yet and after 5 minutes and more the isolation will start smoking, 4 minutes is just perfect.
So 4 minutes on each side (total of 8 minutes)?
QUOTE(bosnia_9 @ Jul 10 2008, 11:22 AM)

What kind of washer set up are you using? like stated
If its this
CPU heatsink - metal washer - nylon washer - mobo - nylon washer - metal washer - screw
GPU heatsink - metal washer - nylon washer - mobo - nylon washer - metal washer - screw
try this
CPU heatsink - nylon washer - mobo - nylon washer - screw
GPU heatsink - nylon washer - mobo - nylon washer - screw
Basically remove the metal washers from your set up.. and tighten everything snug.. dont over tighten anything!
might have to do the heatgunning again and then do this washer set up idea
beast of luck
My setup:
CPU heatsink - nylon washer - mobo - nylon washer - meta washer - screw
GPU heatsink - metal washer - nylon washer - mobo - nylon washer - metal washer - screw
deadrising2day
Jul 11 2008, 02:37 AM
Well I just tried heatgunning it with no luck. I also tried the different combo of washers but when I do that I get error 0031 (unknown). I noticed my mobo is alot more flexible than it used to be. I think that could be one of the main problems. I think i'm pretty much screwed.
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