HAZE to have 4GB install Posted by XanTium | 16-5-2008 23:50 EST

From forums.ubi.com: [QUOTE] Q: Will Haze have a mandatory install? A: You will need to go through a minimal install (about 4 Gigs) but not the whole game. [/QUOTE] Full Story: forums.ubi.com

Next time Sony (on the PS4)... include MORE MEMORY so we don't have to do this crap ever again!

I know ya'll are lovin' my internet speed.

huh ^ ?

or how about um... you just buy a bigger hdd for your PS3?

Or wait no, if you wanted your PS3 to come with a bigger HDD, that would mean Sony release the PS3 with a 120GB/250GB/500GB which would make the PS3 even more expensive ($100-$400+ on top), and we all know how expensive it is already... so they gave us the answer, allowing us to expand our HDD by ourselves.

Sony did all of us a favor by including a HDD for every single console

Sony is doing us a favor by allowing us to install games to the HDD so they will load faster/smoother (or stream, however you want to technically define it)

I do not understand why people complain about memory issues or install issues.

It's like complaining you have bad gas mileage in your Ferrari

Sorry for my slight negative tone here, I don't mean to be rude, simply dont understand is all :|

Yeah because we all know putting a bigger HD in it yourself is free, and we all know casual gamers just *love* to use the screwdriver on their console and f*ck up their savegames if they do it wrong :-/

The fuss is: with install sizes like this, the HD runs out after you have a few games installed, and if you don't want to muck around with your console you can start deleting and reinstalling when you want to swap games. Terrific... At least a 360 is fully functional even without the HD, if Sony would just have put a faster optical drive in the damn machine, this crap would be unnecessary.

FYI: i have both consoles, and I consider my self a computer expert (it's my job) but I actually *hate* having to view my PS3 as an upgradable computer, i don't even want to know what size of HD is in it, or that I can put a bigger one in it, and I don't want to know why I need to wait 10 minutes to install 4GB of data to it when I want to play a game.

QFT!!

right, cause it has to do with memory, of which it has almost an identical amount as the 360.......

I've never actually met someone who needed help upgrading the PS3 hard drive. Please actually show proof that there's someone who can't do it, and I'll bet I can still walk them through the process. Space hasn't really been an issue for me. I've got over 10 games for my PS3, some demos, and videos, and I've still got 90GB of free space. Sure, installs take a little while, but they only happen once, and they don't take all that long, anyway. GTA4 doesn't install on the 360, but it sure feels like an install when you start it up (360 version), as long as it takes to load. I think the time spent is really just "bitch fuel".

As for needing a faster optical drive, the bandwidth of the device makes the rate in which the data travels a similar amount. Reading 2X on a BD is similar to reading 12X on a DVD, for data transferred in time.

how about um... because i shouldn't have to?

Well that statement is problematic, because it does not make the game load any faster. In fact, most of the games on the PS3 load slower than the games on my 360. (and don't ignore my bold/underline for "most")

Because a 40GB hard drive simply does not give you 40GB of space. The real usuable amount is in the 20's I believe. I own about 12 360 games now, and I've had probably 12 more I sold or traded. I think you see where I'm going with this. You cannot have 10 4GB games installed on a 40GB PS3 at one time. Not only do these games fill your hard drive, but they pretty much make it useless for saving anything else. The craziest thing is, people with a 360 get a bigger hard drive because they are downloading and filling it with extra content. People with a PS3 buy a bigger hard drive because they need it just to play the games they own. I could go on and on about how you have to somehow transfer your files and hope you don't lose everything, but hopefully by now you get the point.


That's true. I believe they both have 512MB. The difference is the 360's memory is unified and can share the memory for the system and the video. Where as the PS3 has an even split of 256 for the system and 256 for the video. However, the PS3 technically is supposed to be able to render better graphics (although for some reason a large portion of its games only display in 720p), so you would think they would have used unified memory as well or given the graphics side more than 256MB. Either way, why does it need these huge install files when the 360 can play the same games, look almost as good, and only save files in the 100's of MB at most instead of multiple GBs?

2 things, one the companies can do it, since the PS3 has a standard HDD hwere the 360 does not, and its only got a 2x BD drive, which isnt as bad as it sounds, has a better base read rate, but doesnt go any higher the closer it gets to teh center of the disk.

RAM shouldnt have anything to do with it.

Raw teoretical read speed is not a problem in PS3.
Problem is in that BRx2 in PS3 has access times excessing 350ms.

DVD ~110ms
2xBlu-ray >350ms

Every long laser jump for data causes serious delays in data transfer.
You need smart cashing (takes memory!) or instalation on HDD.
OR you repeat data so laser position doesn't change drasticaly and drive in PS3 doesn't need to spin up / spin down to keep (REQUIED!) in PS3 2xBR speed (BR in PS3 is CVL - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_linear_velocity )


ANYWAY
Haze is crappy game.


Quaz51:


http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1...p;postcount=812


Full 720p - 1280x720 = 921,600 pixels
Some games:

Lair                                     800x1080 = 864,000 pixels
MGS4 / Metal Gear Online     1024x768 = 786,432 pixels
GTA4 (PS3)                          1152x640 = 737,280 pixels
Halo3                                  1152x640 = 737,280 pixels
Dark Sector (PS3)                 1152x640 = 737,280 pixels
Call of Duty 4 (PS3 , X360)     1024x600 = 614,400 pixels
Haze (PS3)                          1024x576 = 589,824 pixels


1024x576
It is nearly SD PAL game (720x576)

You have a point there... but the original xbox had even smaller save files than 360 ones (for most games)... and some how still the same games as the ps3, but the 360 can play them without the incredibly large install files.

anonim1979 has it right. it has nothing to do with memory on the ps3. it is the access times on the bluray drive. if sony didn't try to infest the world with bluray (which isn't really needed for games) then you wouldn't need a hard drive on the ps3 and you wouldn't need to install games because it would have a standard dvd drive which would allow for fast enough access times to produce tolerable load times. if there wasn't a hard drive on the ps3 which would mean no installs, load times would be ridicuously long with the bluray drive.

also, i enjoyed the haze demo. it isn't a perfect game but it is above average and one of the more fun games i've played for the ps3.

They just need to start shipping bigger HDD's in the European SKU's. The time to install is not long but it becomes a problem if you have only got a 40GB drive (30 ish useable) and you play a lot of games which require to install.

They should really have thought about this when they designed the PS3. I know that you can upgrade your HDD however I tend to feel that they shipped a compromised product. They knew that the Blu-Ray drive was too slow and would compromise data streaming, this was the reason that they put an HDD in every PS3. All developers were told that they would HAVE to use a disk cache to run their games and in certain cases they are able to install the entire game to the HDD.

This seems to put the shaft to PS3 owners who will either have to face LONG install times over and over again whilst having to delete game install files to play their games. Granted there are not many now but as most developers release for both PS3 and 360 this will become more and more common. (its easier to dump the game assets to the PS3 HDD than work out how to structure the Blu-Ray for repetition of data and program the loading of that data accordingly)

I have 17 games , 60Gb HDD still plenty of free space.
My mother could do the upgrade and at cheap cost if I ever have to.
Install to the drive is a one time thing.
@ d-range I pity you if 10 minutes as one off is too much for you to bear. What do you do if the postman is 15 minutes late or you have to queue somewhere for 10 minutes? Tear your hair out and rant and rave. I love it when in trying to find something to make an issue of people cite a 10 minute 1 time install as a major threat to sanity.

From a link to a forum post by the same guy who spouted the "GTA4 is only 630p" shit and pretends counting the pixels is accurate and can tell the resolution just from a look at a screen of the game. A game by the way which is not even out yet. Excellent, he missed his way. Should have been a forensic detective.

Oh you have played the demo then? I think I will judge from someone when the they have played the full version. Personally I liked the Demo.

I would wager half the people complaining about loading on to HDD are the same people who quite gladly chipped their Xbox and bought a 500GB drive to fit, in order to load full games onto the drive. Times and storage didn't seem to matter then.

If you download a lot of content (and there is plenty on XBL) to your 360 the 13GB usable on a standard 20GB drive is useless. Expensive upgrade needed. If you bought one with no HDD expensive upgrade needed. Either machine if you are a games and content junkie you will need to accommodate that addiction. I don't see the problem with upgrading on either.

im pretty sure the Haze devss ais its 720p, and im more likely to believe them then some guy on a forum.

Thanks God You drive Hummer with plate Mr. KNOW-IT-ALL


http://www.ripten.com/2008/05/18/free-radi...haze-resolution


PS.
GTA4 is 640p na AA on PS3 - if you believe Quaz nad Eurogamer guys who confirmed it...



PSS.
The same guy - Quaz51 talked first about COD4,Halo3, and many others games
Time for looking some more into his methods - shouldnt be hard for You...



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@warmaster_670

That 720p was a bulls*** spourted by PR guys. You know like - 120fps every game in 1080p etc?

As you can see DEVELOPERS confirmed 1024x576

It's has nothing to do with how easy it is to upgrade it, the issue is that lots of ppl *do not care about stuff like that*, a lot of them don't even know what a freaking hard drive is. It's a game console, not an upgradeable computer, and it should not need spare parts to function properly. Maybe you don't mind having to buy hard drives and install them, my guess is that 9 out of 10 people think differently (even *I* do, and I feel perfectly comfortable around computers). Also, backing up your savegames does not make it a whole lot easier, I can imagine people just swapping the HD to find out all their saves are still on the old one.



Yeah whatever, just keep making stupid comments like that and I will take you much more seriously :-/... My brother in law already hit a full 40 GB drive, you go and explain to him how those 10 minutes are such a joy every time he wants to play some game from the bottom of his stack (which is pretty large as he has wads of cash and buys about every game out there). Installing GT5P and updating it over wireless actually took me 45 minutes, so yes that annoys the hell out of me when I want to play a game right away, how is that so hard to understand. In time you will fill up your drive as well, enjoy buying a bigger one and mucking around with your savegames but don't make piss-poor comments that don't necessarily apply to all people.

Tell him to use some to buy a 250GB HDD then if it is such an issue. He has plenty of cash. If it's too much of stretch to install it give me a ring I will get my Grandma to talk you through it and sghe has been dead ten years.
Simple fact is you attract stupid comments with statements which are just a display of how pissed off you are with your PS3. First it was the games not available and now they are there are too many all with HDD installs that it is sending you insane with rage.

before making that statement take a look at your post because the exact same applies to your statements as well.

No I don't.
the developer yes I believe and that is fine. if they make the statement

Tell me how you check from a screen displaying a game that is upscaled to 720P, how many pixels it is displaying and arrive at less than 720P
Same old faces looking for something to bash on the PS3 and not able to handle the fact that some people actually find it a good machine.It actually amuses me how you feel so threatened by the fact that i like my PS3. In fact I like it as much as the 360s I own. Guess what I like the Wii as well.
Oh you forgot to say how you found the Demo or game of Haze when you played it.
Please don't tell me you are one of those " MR KNOW IT ALLS" who likes to spout about things they have no experience of.
d-range I can understand as he has a PS3 and is clearly disgruntled with it. Put people who like to talk something down with no personal experience of it, I don't understand.

Chancer, having the ability to upgrade your hardrive is a good thing but in this case that is not the point.
I belive I shouldn't have to go out and buy a hardrive in order to enjoy my games without tha hassel of deleting and reinstalling huge files.

This can't be compared to a chipped xbox with games on a hardrive because this is a stock system and I shouldn't have to treat it like a modded one. It seems that every new game has a large install involved with it. If every one of the games you own now had a four to five gig install on it you would be forced to buy a new harddrive and in my that sucks.

As far as haze is concerned it is just OK in my eyes. The graphics are really not that good and the only thing that makes it any different is nectar. The nectar aspect will become lame pretty quick since all you will be doing is hiding and waiting for your necter to come back. Hopefully the full game will have some extra content that will make it better.

You just don't seem to get the point, right? Fair enough, your loss... Very stylish make your point by involving your dead grandma in a supposedly meant-to-be-funny remark by the way.



Well last time I checked you don't know me and vice versa. I am not filled with rage or pissed off about my PS3 at all, in fact, I couldn't care less how it works as long as it does what I bought it for, and currently it does (which is BD, cell development and the occasional game that's not on the 360). It's just a piece of electronics dude, no need to get all worked up about it. The fact that it doesn't suck on all accounts does not make it perfect though, hard to understand how a console forum moderator would have so much problems acknowledging this. The online experience and the HD installs, insanely huge and frequent updates that fail a lot and the fanboys who see the damn thing as some kind of sacred artefact from heaven -not saying you are one of them, but when it comes to HD installs it's looking a lot like them- annoy the hell out of me, and I'm not the only one. You should really try talking to normal ppl instead of console enthousiasts, they will *not* get that you at some point might have to upgrade a game console.



Well excuse me, but I was under the impression I was only talking about myself and some other people I know that have a game console and agree that having to upgrade your console sucks. Apperently you don't mind f*ing around with your console, good for you. I know people who do, and I know consoles that don't need HD installs, and they work perfectly well. The best selling console doesn't even have a HD, ever wondered why that is?

Hey, dont blame sony just because the dev's can't figure out a way for a game to run without a huge install. The read speads are decent, and there is no reason to have to load half a game on the hard drive just to play it. Making smarter games that load whats needed before its needed, not during, is the key.

Since we have no control over what the devs do, Sony was on top of things and gave us another option: Easy hard drive upgrades. For those of you who think its 'too hard' or complicated, go back to playing the wii.

The ps3 has a very easy to use backup utility for your hard drive, so there is really no need for worring about loosing game saves as mentioned earlier in this post. Also, is 1 freaking screw really too hard or complex for you to think your going to break your new console? Get over it! Its a screw, not a motherboard.

Fact is the ps3 works fine out of the box. Yea, you can't play 20 some games that all have 2+GB installs, but think of it this way, every console is limited in some way. Ps2 had memory cards, you could only fit so many game saves on it at once. Did people bitch? No, you delete what you dont need, or you BUY a new card. Same thing applies here.

I thought I was discussing this with console enthusiasts. Are console enthusiasts not normal in some way? people who are not console enthusiasts are hardly likely to own a PS3. Those that do will probably never buy that may games (casual gamers I think was the term)and the replies were aimed directly at yourself and others. You by your own admission fix computers or something like that yet you make a stand against having to fit a simple drive upgrade. Don't tell me you are standing in the corner for the innocents. The "normal people" who may buy a mobile phone then find all the pictures they took with it and the ring tones don't fit in the phones memory so they have to buy an SD card and plug it in. You don't need to be Einstein to do this. may be it's you who doesn't get the point.
Pray tell me what is the difference between buying a core version of a 360 in the earlier days and finding you can't use live (a feature so heavily advertised) or save your game you bought without having to upgrade your console via memory card or HDD. Bit shitty if you are half way through an RPG. Very noble of you to be concerned for the "Normal people" but you were actually talking from your own perspective


May be your experience but it's not mine and not everybody else's either.You seem to have a hard time seeing that. Perhaps I should lie just so it agrees with you..Don't think so.


Moderating this forum is a separate issue from my opinions on what is good bad or ugly as regards the things I find a problem with consoles and the things I don't. You clearly have not read most of my posts on this or you would know what angles of each console I don't like.



Not really but the Wii is hardly the same standard of gaming. Good though it is. It's last gen graphics etc.

I just installed MGS4 today; it took a whopping 8 minutes. Updates have never been a big issue. Perhaps your own network is the problem, as I had to adjust mine. Be sure you have upnp enabled on your router, and you may even want to check out which ports to forward to ensure you get the best NAT. Aside from that, I haven't had a tremendous amount of game updates to deal with. Call of Duty 4 has had the most, and that's only been a few.

Same here less than 10 minutes. I hadn't even finished reading the booklet before it was loaded up.
Too much bullshit has been spouted about all these terrible seconds of peoples lives being wasted by installs to the HDD. I believe it is just something for them to moan at because it's PS3.
Personally I find it takes too long to get the packaging off my 360 games and remove the disc from it's holder. I find the booklets take too long to read as well ........Sounds ridiculous when you put it into those terms doesn't it.
Enjoy MGS4

Haha, I was reading the manual during the install, too. Couldn't finish it in time (and I was distracted by some of the text as Snake was smoking). I was a tad disappointed the manual was not in color, but at least it wasn't 4 pages like COD4's. I like the comic book parts they did, too (was that in PAL manual as well?) Not to get too off topic, but I wonder what kind of differences there are in manuals between regions for games in general (damn, I smell a potential new hobby).

On a side note, Chancer, I must sincerely thank you. I recall a post of yours where you had trouble with your copy of Assassin's Creed, and after everyone else dismissing your claims, you exchanged it and your problems were gone. When I got my copy of MGS4 home yesterday, I installed it just fine, but there were lots of loading pauses during simple things like the Konami logo and the Dolby Digital screen. Once in game, the icon (disc, alternating with a question mark) would intermittently blink and occasionally freeze/glitch. No other games/movies did this, but I entertained the notion that this could be similar to why I can't get my Harry Potter 1 BD recognized (3 different discs tried, none work in mine, but all work in everyone else's PS3, apparently), or that they needed to expedite a patch for some unforseen bug. Considering the condition of the disc was flawless, I also remembered your aforementioned problem, and proceeded to exchange the disc, which solved my problem.

Bah, I've typed enough. I could be getting calluses from playing too much Metal Gear right now...