Looking forward to the election. I am registered and will vote and am a bleeding heart liberal. So if you can't stand bleeding heart liberals, better register and vote or my vote will count twice- the one I cast and the one you did not cast.

don't worry, i'll be there

Hope Obama wins it, hopefully he will make the middle-east a better place and I hope he puts the UN or some kind of peace keeping missions in Iraq and Afghanistan, Blair had no right to drag us into Iraq/Afghanistan with Bush it should have at least been a vote or something.

We're fucked either way but I'll vote against you

GD socialists

some people still think bush is responsible... haha

what "change[s]" are you "hoping" for?

A change in tone from a "military action can solve problems, we do not need help" attitude to one of "what can we do to help" attitude in international affairs.
A change from "war justifies everything" to "human rights come first" view of people. I firmly think we are creating more enemies than we are neutralising by our policies.
A change from " profits above all" to "let's see if we can work on some of our problems" business policies. We have found out the last 8 years that some companies will go to great lengths to reward their executives and shareholders while destroying the markets. A good example, Citigroup is expected to lose several billion dollars because of the their policies of the few years. They fire their CEO as being responsible but pay him 155 million dollars to leave. That is ridiculous. I realize they had a contract but why give someone a contract that rewards them so well for failing?
The conservatives worry about illegal immigrants and "welfare families' costing so much but:



I realize a President is limited in what they can do, but they can set a tone for the political environment.

so you are one of those people thats wants $12/gallon gas like europe? the rest of the stuff you mentioned isn't going to be changed by obama. he is full of empty promises and rhetoric. he "promises" to lower taxes for the middle class, guess what, bill clinton promised that too, before hiking them. his foreign policy is absolutely abysmal as well. he only looks at the short term impact and not the long term impact (and by long term, i mean 10 years out, pretty much just after his presidency ends if he is elected 2 terms)

Excuse me? I mean I was even willing to give George Bush a chance when he first started. Up until Irag was invaded, I was supporting most of his policies. But I knew Iraq would be a mistake.
Most presidents are "full of empty promises" when they are running for office.
And as far as subsidizing Exxon, how would that make gasoline $12/gallon? As far as I can tell, any relief the government gives Exxon goes to bonuses for executives and dividends for stock holders. The amount of relief Exxon gets is not specifically targeted towards development of new fields.
Seems like you can fortell the future. You missed your calling.
I think the changed attitude the rest of the world will have towards the USA is worth electing Obama. We need more friends, not more enemies. Hopefully, with the Democrats controlling Congress and a Democrat in the White House (one with some legislative experience) we can see some progress on medical insurance reform, education reform,etc. Nothing concrete can be promised right now, but at least it will be a change.

But doesn't the rest of the world hate the united states or something like that?

I think bush w. was told what to do and was finishing sr.'s thing.

Please don't get wrong, I don't really follow politics. I just think the war was a fuck up but shit happens. It will get better.

I hope Obama whoops everyones ass. He may not be the most experienced or whatever, but the man has drive. He seems to be putting alot of effort into what he believes in. Thats enough for me.


I don't think $12 gallon gas is a bad thing. It will cause drastic changes in the way we produce and use energy, which is long overdue.

bush puts a lot of effort into what he believes too, is that also a enough for you?


if you think the US is in an economic recession id hate to see your reaction to 12 dollar a gallon gas, it would push a large percentage of the population below the poverty line

I don't blame bush for everything that is happening. Alot of things hit all at once. Some things could have been handled better, but we are past that now. And bring on the $12 per gallon gasoline. I'll be happy to see it.



This kind of argument really pisses me off. I have friends who pull this shit all the time. Try to turn anyone into a hypocrite about anything.

then maybe you should stop being a hypocrite?

Go read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, and get an understanding of how far liberalism can go

this saving the world bullshit, and 'we can do it' slogans are the end of it. When politicians proclaim 'we can do it' it really means 'we will legislate that you do it' whether it can be done or not. Almost never is the technical professionals ever questioned or listened to in these matters. How many people bought hybrid cars because Al Gore told them to. WHO THE FUCK IS AL GORE. YAY ETHANOL, BOO COAL, SAVE THE PLANET.

We need to go back to conservative roots, cut the fucking war bullshit, worry about our economy before we save the world. Especially since the rest of the world dosent give a shit.

We are using most of our corn fields to produce ethanol where that was one of the few things we can export. Its just one example of backwards thought.

Going back and reading this, I wasn't aiming this at vader. Just saying that I have friends who ALWAYS say stuff like that. For example, I'll say I can't spend a bunch of money on a video game or w/e cause I need to save for rent, they come back and question me when I spend $5 for some food. (This is a guy whose parents pay for every cent of his expenses in college)

Didn't mean anything towards you vader.

I look at voting as a waste of time. Our vote is worthless. Even if you vote for the person you want to win, and he/she wins, we all still lose no matter what.

Many people have died for democracy, I suggest you use your vote for the people who have died for our freedom. Otherwise they died for nothing.

It's a shame GWB can't stand for re-election for a 3rd term because I would rather vote for the devil i know than ones I do not. Luckily for me I don't have that choice.

A new movie version of "Atlas Shrugged" is supposed to come out in 2009.
Angelina Jolie is the star

Atlas Shrugged is a fictional work. The liberal policies of the Democrats in the 1930's, 1960's and some in the late 1990's are real. Some of the results are good , some are bad. Try not to simplify the world too much. That is the main argument I have with Objectivism (the philosophy created by Ayn Rand) it relies on too much black or white/right or wrong. Humans and the world have too many shades of grey.
As an example; Roman Polanski, the film director, was expelled from the USA for having sex with an underage girl (13 years old). Now according to Ayn Rand, Polanski was just working on his self interest.

Polanski argued the girl was agreeable. So was he saying he did not "sacrifice others to himself"? Was it wrong to have sex with a 13 year old girl? Would Ayn Rand say it was none of the government's business as to what Polanski was doing? Did Polanski's contributions to the world (Chinatown, Rosemary's Baby) outweigh his actions towards a 13 year old girl? See how grey it can become?
I would like to see the USA become more like Canada, Sweden, and France. More concerned with the quality of life instead of the cost of life. We may make more money, but are we truly happy as a society compared to some other countries? Is capitalism really worth it?

how on earth are they going to make a movie out of atlas shrugged.

i believe that rand would compare Polanski to James Taggart. "The man who has no purpose, but has to act, and acts to destroy others. " She would also say that his desire to have sex with a 13 year old, was a symptom of his own self value. Therefore, Rand would have declared that Polanski was in fact depraved and immoral. I could go on much longer on Rands view on sex in the book, her views on sex in her life, and on morality in general, and why your reply is a completeley distorted view of her beliefs, but if you really know Rand as well as you proclaim too, then there is no need to do that because you must have distorted it on purpose.

as for your reply to my post:
that is a change, a change back to lbj and carter to be specific. And we can see how well that worked out for them. Like it or not, war, when allowed to go to completion, solves more issues than peace. Why? Peace requires mutual dis-satisfaction, and people are only willing to put up with that for so long because both sides will eventually feel like that got the short end.

i dont like golden parachutes anymore than anyone else, but why on earth did the company allow it? This falls back on the owners (shareholders) of the company. Dont like it, dont buy stocks in companies that do it. Vote with your wallet.

now that nanosolar is producing solar at a .36 cents a watt, it is now below the cost of oil (about 40 cents per watt at $50/barrel) to go to solar. As they ramp up and perfect the technique, the market forces will drive the US to solar sometime within the next 5 - 7 years. And it will happen rapidly. No need for government intervention.

I am fully aware that atlas shrugged is fiction....but I couldnt help seeing the large truths in a book 50 years old in events happening today. When politicians from both sides of the fence come together to say 'we need to do ***' we are in trouble. When there is nothing left to fight about and we are coming together to 'solve' problems it means there is nothing left to do but just keep saying 'we can do it'

We need a plan to produce more, bring energy costs down (w/o respect to being green), and look into the future of our economy. Because why save the world for our children if they dont have the means to live.

this guy

http://tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=764

i'd give him the hypocrite of the year award

its a funny article, but unfortunately i dont think the dates add up. I think they may have been measuring while he was under construction. Never the less, I doubt gore will ever be able to achieve anything close to under 8,000 kw hours/year that I use let alone the number he wants us paupers to live by. Any way you slice it gore is an elitist baffoon.