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Obama leading McCain among Xbox voters
Posted by XanTium | September 22 22:02 EST | News Category: Xbox360
 
From the press release:
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In one of the nation's largest unofficial election polls, Senator Barack Obama leads the vote by a 12 percent margin, while 26 percent voted "undecided" or "other." These results do not map to national trends, which show Senator Obama and Senator McCain to be pacing neck and neck, and provide insight into a unique subset of young engaged citizens. According to the results from Xbox LIVE's poll, when it comes to deciding who should be the next President, the jury is still out for many.

Nearly 100,000 LIVE Americans turned out to cast their "votes" in a poll over Xbox LIVE, making it larger than the combined samples from individual Gallup, NBC, and CNN polls. Part of an initiative to help register new voters for this year's election, Xbox LIVE has partnered with Rock the Vote, turning the Xbox 360 into an unexpected political forum. Results from the first-ever poll over Xbox LIVE indicate the following:
Obama \ Biden: 43%
McCain \ Palin: 31%
Undecided: 13%
Other: 13%

In its first two weeks of the program, more than 55,000 voter registration forms were downloaded through Xbox LIVE and xbox.com. Additionally, videos from the recent Democratic and Republican conventions were downloaded nearly 25,000 times.

To-date, the Xbox LIVE community has downloaded more than 350,000 pieces of program-specific content, ranging from candidate gamerpics* to videos and Rock the Vote logos. That's nearly five times the amount of people present at Barack Obama's acceptance speech during the Democratic Convention in Denver.
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TexT
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Go Obama/Biden!
Ranger72
If you think of what the NeoCons have done to this country over the last 8 years you would think it would be a landslide victory for Obama.

But then again there are many people out there that actually likes how they have been able to accomplish in 8 year what no other nation could ever have done to us with all the weapons on the world.

4 more years of this and there wont be a country left to save anymore.
calloused labia
QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Sep 23 2008, 12:15 AM) *
If you think of what the NeoCons have done to this country over the last 8 years you would think it would be a landslide victory for Obama.

But then again there are many people out there that actually likes how they have been able to accomplish in 8 year what no other nation could ever have done to us with all the weapons on the world.

4 more years of this and there wont be a country left to save anymore.


+1
traderj
Accept we seem to forget that probably most of the votes are from underage kids that can't vote in the first place. Don't lie, we all have changed our age to take part in something not for our age bracket.

Kinda like the Kids Vote thing I saw on the news the other day. They can't comprehend whats really going on and that's why they can't vote at that age.

I seriously think we're f***ed no matter who gets in but I have to stress that the Democrats are the majority in congress right now. Doesn't seem like their doing any better then the first 4 years. In fact in the past 2 years our economy went down the tubes and we are paying $3.50 a gallon for gas even though a barrel of oil is back down to the normal $94. You can't blame everything on just one person people, the government consists of more then just a president and his cabinet.
pancus

I would vote Obama but he doesn't have any tiger cage experience, and thats very important for any future president, plus he's not a "Maverick" lol
sgr215
I have no idea who I'm going to vote for but it won't really matter anyways; I won't be voting for Obama or McCain. It's sad that people actually believe these two parties are really that much different from each other. It's either vote for the guy who says he'll "change" but doesn't really explain just what that means or vote for the guy you know won't change anything but hey.. he's a Maverick! He voted against Bush 5% of the time!!!1!1!ONE!! To make things even worse McCain will immediately get 25% of the vote because of his chosen religion alone. (Apparently being "Pro-Life" only applies to fetuses. Iraqi children and health care for all don't count.) Think that's absurd? The evangelicals make up 25% of America and they openly tell their members who to vote for or face the wrath of God. (Perhaps not that bluntly but very close to it.)
Chimp5000
I'd like the politics to stay away from my videogames, thanx.
mastaassmasta
soooo obama is leading in the 9-25 year old group then? very accurate :b
chorizo1
McCain is a MARVERICK he crashed like 4 or 5 jets, how many has Obama crashed?

Obama has ZERO experience in crashing jets, which really makes you wonder, why does Obama hate jets? Does he hate the new york jets? We Crash jets in video games all the time, why doesn't Obama?

Barrack Obama = Fighter jet Discrimination.


My name is Chorizo1, and I approve this message.
sgr215
QUOTE(chorizo1 @ Sep 23 2008, 02:47 AM) *

McCain is a MARVERICK he crashed like 4 or 5 jets, how many has Obama crashed?

Obama has ZERO experience in crashing jets, which really makes you wonder, why does Obama hate jets? Does he hate the new york jets? We Crash jets in video games all the time, why doesn't Obama?

Barrack Obama = Fighter jet Discrimination.
My name is Chorizo1, and I approve this message.


You owe me a new keyboard/monitor. laugh.gif
metalcoat
The price of a barrel of Brent Crude Oil is now over $120, and the contract for delivered oil in November is about $104. Now there are so many factors causing the price to fluctuate daily, especially with the bail-out of several banks and investors switching to commodity markets. People need to understand this before just rifling off stupid comments about how this is the government's fault. We as citizens need to take responsibility and to take action to demand from our government and elected leaders that what we need is a change. I'm not here to have you vote for a certain candidate, just be informed about what the real problems are. Get the facts! Make an informed decision. Remember there just isn't two parties and voting for someone else that truly represents your beliefs isn't a waste. You have to show that whoever may win this election that all these things need to be looked at.

Edit: Brent crude dropped back down since midday to $101
_GhOsT_
im starting to hate both candidates. ill waste my vote and vote for the 3rd party
oozingrectum
I normally would bring up political views, but since this is on topic..

A bourgeoisie Neo-Con or a bourgeoisie Neo-Liberal? Ah, the choices! Yet again, I'll be voting Socialist [Brian Moore / Stewart Alexander of SP-USA this time].
ishtar
Ya right change you can believe in He He , and he picks an old cronie who is dead set against change , just goes to show he knows absoulty ziltcho about politics and the people who vote for him are just as dimwitted as him ...
tom_mandory
QUOTE(Chimp5000 @ Sep 23 2008, 04:09 PM) *

I'd like the politics to stay away from my videogames, thanx.


+1

Its absolutely ridiculous how much press we get about this "election" in Australia.
But I didn't mind South Parks take on the 2004 election: A choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
Eksyte
Did you spit something on them or punch them?

I'd have a hard time voting for a Republican. Bush and his "gang" have lied so much and made so many bad (wrong) choices, trusting the party is almost impossible. The fact that McSame wants to deregulate the finance market and wants to continue in Iraq solidifies my vote going elsewhere.

Obama's not perfect, but he's far better than McSame and I'm not wasting my vote on Nader like I did in 2000.
Reaper527
once you factor out the votes from people under the age of 18, and the people who could but won't register to vote, and the people who will say home on election day, i don't think these numbers are too bad.

look where the support for the candidates is coming from, then look at the stereotype that old people vote. neither candidate is a good option, as both are fiscally irresponsible and will increase the size of the government when we should be shrinking it. mccain just happens to be the lesser of two evils (which is what we have had to choose between for far too long).

we should be scrapping social security, which no one is brave enough to admit,
we do need to do some fixing to the healthcare system, but UHC is NOT the solution.
we need to finish the job in iraq, they will be a very valuable ally if we stabilize the nation.
we need to strike down the fairness doctrine
we need to stop the federal governments involvement in state affairs
we need to legalize marijuana and start modestly taxing it instead of wasting money prosecuting it
we need to crack down on illegal immigration. i have no objection to adding arrested illegal immigrants to a dna bank with a do not grant citizen flag next to their name, then deporting them. (simplify the immigration process and reward those who come here legally, while punishing those who don't)

there are plenty of real changes to be made, but none of the candidates represent them.
hanman
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Sep 23 2008, 10:52 AM) *

once you factor out the votes from people under the age of 18, and the people who could but won't register to vote, and the people who will say home on election day, i don't think these numbers are too bad.

look where the support for the candidates is coming from, then look at the stereotype that old people vote. neither candidate is a good option, as both are fiscally irresponsible and will increase the size of the government when we should be shrinking it. mccain just happens to be the lesser of two evils (which is what we have had to choose between for far too long).

we should be scrapping social security, which no one is brave enough to admit,
we do need to do some fixing to the healthcare system, but UHC is NOT the solution.
we need to finish the job in iraq, they will be a very valuable ally if we stabilize the nation.
we need to strike down the fairness doctrine
we need to stop the federal governments involvement in state affairs
we need to legalize marijuana and start modestly taxing it instead of wasting money prosecuting it
we need to crack down on illegal immigration. i have no objection to adding arrested illegal immigrants to a dna bank with a do not grant citizen flag next to their name, then deporting them. (simplify the immigration process and reward those who come here legally, while punishing those who don't)

there are plenty of real changes to be made, but none of the candidates represent them.


QFT

and scrap welfare while you're at it.
djtonic
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Sep 23 2008, 04:52 PM) *

once you factor out the votes from people under the age of 18, and the people who could but won't register to vote, and the people who will say home on election day, i don't think these numbers are too bad.

look where the support for the candidates is coming from, then look at the stereotype that old people vote. neither candidate is a good option, as both are fiscally irresponsible and will increase the size of the government when we should be shrinking it. mccain just happens to be the lesser of two evils (which is what we have had to choose between for far too long).

we should be scrapping social security, which no one is brave enough to admit,
we do need to do some fixing to the healthcare system, but UHC is NOT the solution.
we need to finish the job in iraq, they will be a very valuable ally if we stabilize the nation.
we need to strike down the fairness doctrine
we need to stop the federal governments involvement in state affairs
we need to legalize marijuana and start modestly taxing it instead of wasting money prosecuting it
we need to crack down on illegal immigration. i have no objection to adding arrested illegal immigrants to a dna bank with a do not grant citizen flag next to their name, then deporting them. (simplify the immigration process and reward those who come here legally, while punishing those who don't)

there are plenty of real changes to be made, but none of the candidates represent them.


Spoken like a true Libertarian or small "c" Conservative

Good man.
pancus
QUOTE(metalcoat @ Sep 23 2008, 04:19 AM) *

The price of a barrel of Brent Crude Oil is now over $120, and the contract for delivered oil in November is about $104. Now there are so many factors causing the price to fluctuate daily, especially with the bail-out of several banks and investors switching to commodity markets. People need to understand this before just rifling off stupid comments about how this is the government's fault. We as citizens need to take responsibility and to take action to demand from our government and elected leaders that what we need is a change. I'm not here to have you vote for a certain candidate, just be informed about what the real problems are. Get the facts! Make an informed decision. Remember there just isn't two parties and voting for someone else that truly represents your beliefs isn't a waste. You have to show that whoever may win this election that all these things need to be looked at.

Edit: Brent crude dropped back down since midday to $101


Holy shit I had to comment on this.

The price of oil is based on SPECULATION. To give a hint on just how fucking retarded this is the price of oil is adjusted right NOW for what it MAY be worth in the FUTURE. This is a revised enron strategy of basically making up numbers almost COMPLETELY out of thin air. eg. if the states goes to war with Iran then it will jump $100, etc.

Now the price is controlled by a bullshit organization called OPAC, which is controlled by... just guess... now what's worth noting about this is that Venezuela is not part of OPAC and they pay 12c at the pump! Remember when the news went on and on about how Chavez is a terrorist/criminal and should be killed etc, this is why.

Incidentally I have been told that Canada (where I am) Alberta is selling oil to the states at roughly $12/barrel. They're building a pipe right now directly to Texas and here I am stilling waiting for my reacharound. And guess what folks, america apparently gets 60% of it's oil from canada and only 3% from middle east, not only that the oil fields they control in Iraq signed their first deal, with China, surprise.

Do some reading from non-mainstream sources folks, it will drive you crazy.
Fyb3roptik
If you dont like either candidate, then you have the option of writing in someone else's name. They have to have registered with the party to be nominated.

RON PAUL!!!!!!
trentdadi
A candidate can say hes standing for whatever he wants, but when's the last time anyone actually did what they say they would do. I am not voting because that's how they get your name into the jury duty pools.

I personally find it ridiculous that we as Americans always fall back on to the price of gas argument. We really have it too good if that is what you guys truly believe is our main concern. Have you guys thought about how rampant terrorism could be if George Bush never took office? Saddam Hussein would still be in power killing innocent Iraqis. I do believe he is to blame for the crap economy currently, but I also believe the world as a whole is now a safer place and that is a +1 for him in my books.

I believe no matter what happens, in about 20 years the economy will straighten itself out. I blame the baby boomers for the way the economy is heading. Right now we have a ridiculous amount of retired people who aren't doing much for the nation except soaking up healthcare benefits. (really sorry if that sounded morbid which it did)
Murc
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Sep 23 2008, 10:52 AM) *

once you factor out the votes from people under the age of 18, and the people who could but won't register to vote, and the people who will say home on election day, i don't think these numbers are too bad.

look where the support for the candidates is coming from, then look at the stereotype that old people vote. neither candidate is a good option, as both are fiscally irresponsible and will increase the size of the government when we should be shrinking it. mccain just happens to be the lesser of two evils (which is what we have had to choose between for far too long).

we should be scrapping social security, which no one is brave enough to admit,
we do need to do some fixing to the healthcare system, but UHC is NOT the solution.
we need to finish the job in iraq, they will be a very valuable ally if we stabilize the nation.
we need to strike down the fairness doctrine
we need to stop the federal governments involvement in state affairs
we need to legalize marijuana and start modestly taxing it instead of wasting money prosecuting it
we need to crack down on illegal immigration. i have no objection to adding arrested illegal immigrants to a dna bank with a do not grant citizen flag next to their name, then deporting them. (simplify the immigration process and reward those who come here legally, while punishing those who don't)

there are plenty of real changes to be made, but none of the candidates represent them.


wow...thats a good list, and I agree with 99% of it.

I think social security is a good thing though....when your old and cant work 40hrs a week, how are you supposed to get by? 401k aint gonna cut it.

I'm voting for MCcain / Palin.
been a republican all my life (25), I have voting a a democrat once though. but for the most part I simply think the same way republicans do.
I like freedom and guns and stuff, I hunt, I like big vehicles (i dont need some hippy telling me what I can and cannot drive).

The BIGGEST items on my FIX IT list would be: Energy independence (I would make incentives for car companies to invest and produce electric vehicles...ELECTRIC ONLY, not hydrogen / not flex fuel/ not natural gas.
next would be: Immigration - build a wall on the border...not some stupid and expensive "virtual fence" of cameras and sensors. and I agree with what Reaper said on this issue as well.
and...of course, the Economy.

Fyb3roptik - ron paul. lol
that guy is an odd ball republican. and if I was running, I wouldn't want him to be my vice pres...but the perfect spot for that guy would be an economic advisor.
he's a smart guy...but I think the biggest reason as to why he didn't stand a chance at winning the republican nomination is simple....immigration. whenever they talked about immigration he always started out by saying " first off, no human being is illegal"....oh please. If they broke into this country illegally...they YES Ron...they are an illegal immigrant.
other then his immigration stance...and Iraq, he would be a good leader.

sorry if I rambled a little long. usually I'm part of the crowd that hates politics on not political sites...but since it was the topic...I figured I'd take advantage of that.
Heet
I say Reaper527 for president!!!!!


You forgot the damn fair tax!






smile.gif I may be voting with my feet this election. No third party candidate will get the votes because too many people watch FOX, CNN or Mtv. Sadly.




Im glad there is a feeling of "giant douche/turd sandwich" around here because that's what we got.




Ron Paul?!?!? jester.gif
TechPagan
Those where some interesting numbers. The facts I have come across is that the 9 - 16 yr age bracket would vote for Obama because he is black. They are not making informed decisions and are casting votes for Obama because "we have never had a black president". I do network installs in Cape May, NJ. In 5 different households I asked the kids who they where voting for. That was what they ALL told me. Now I realize this was a very small poll of children that all went to the same school. Still, it makes you think.
nitram100
QUOTE(traderj @ Sep 23 2008, 06:28 AM) *

Accept we seem to forget that probably most of the votes are from underage kids that can't vote in the first place. Don't lie, we all have changed our age to take part in something not for our age bracket.

Kinda like the Kids Vote thing I saw on the news the other day. They can't comprehend whats really going on and that's why they can't vote at that age.

I seriously think we're f***ed no matter who gets in but I have to stress that the Democrats are the majority in congress right now. Doesn't seem like their doing any better then the first 4 years. In fact in the past 2 years our economy went down the tubes and we are paying $3.50 a gallon for gas even though a barrel of oil is back down to the normal $94. You can't blame everything on just one person people, the government consists of more then just a president and his cabinet.


Cry me a fucking river! $3.50 a gallon?! You Americans love to moan don't you? We pay $10 a gallon here in Europe so shut the fuck up already! Is it any wonder the whole world hates you? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Reaper527
QUOTE(nitram100 @ Sep 24 2008, 08:11 AM) *

Cry me a fucking river! $3.50 a gallon?! You Americans love to moan don't you? We pay $10 a gallon here in Europe so shut the fuck up already! Is it any wonder the whole world hates you? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


your paying heavy taxes on your gas, thats why. most of what you pay is going to your european governments.
djtonic
QUOTE(nitram100 @ Sep 24 2008, 01:11 PM) *

Cry me a fucking river! $3.50 a gallon?! You Americans love to moan don't you? We pay $10 a gallon here in Europe so shut the fuck up already! Is it any wonder the whole world hates you? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

I hope you don't hate us nitram....that would really make me sad sad.gif

But....back to this topic of Live and voting.
Anyone who doesnt think there is some major felatio being performed on Obama by the media is a fool.

This stupid poll and rock the vote are just one small example of this. Retarded eruopean comedians on stage at MTV awards pleading for Obama to be elected should be just one of the reasons MS avoided rock the vote completely.
There are a at least a lot of conservative leaning voters if not republicans who play on live and use MS products and this little ego stroke of the democratic party by MS is just annoying.

It is obvious they achieved what their predicted outcome of this was...To show OBAMA leading by a large margin. Really, what else did they expect this poll to show??

ARRGGGHHHHH!!!!

~DJ~
Elemino
Funny you say that. MS likes republicans. The democrats where trying to split the company up in the late 90's. Regardless of who votes, what it's all about is money. Those republicans love that democrat money they're making. They're not helping anyone's ego, they're just giving us another form of entertainment. This poll means absolutely nothing.
Ranger72
QUOTE(trentdadi @ Sep 24 2008, 04:27 AM) *

A candidate can say hes standing for whatever he wants, but when's the last time anyone actually did what they say they would do. I am not voting because that's how they get your name into the jury duty pools.

I personally find it ridiculous that we as Americans always fall back on to the price of gas argument. We really have it too good if that is what you guys truly believe is our main concern. Have you guys thought about how rampant terrorism could be if George Bush never took office? Saddam Hussein would still be in power killing innocent Iraqis. I do believe he is to blame for the crap economy currently, but I also believe the world as a whole is now a safer place and that is a +1 for him in my books.

I believe no matter what happens, in about 20 years the economy will straighten itself out. I blame the baby boomers for the way the economy is heading. Right now we have a ridiculous amount of retired people who aren't doing much for the nation except soaking up healthcare benefits. (really sorry if that sounded morbid which it did)



Tell me what did Saddam use to kill his people? Where did he get the weapons he used to kill them? Did you think we gave him those chemical weapons to NOT use them? He did what we told him to do and we condemned him for it.

And for all the bad things he did killing his own people it all was just a drop in the bucket compared to the millions that has since been killed in Africa. Why are we not invading and killing leaders there?

Tell me what threat did Saddam pose to you? Were you hiding in your basement thinking that at any moment he was going to send his million man army to the shores of our country with his amazing navy and invade your town? Was you building a bomb shelter to protect yourself from his massive air force that he was going to use to bomb and air drop tens of thousands of his troops on your property?

Tell me at what point that you were so scared for your life that you condemned thousands of American and passably a million or more Iraqi lives so you can sleep better at night? At what point was your terror so great that you decided it was better to spend over 600 billion dollars so you would not shake in your knees when you went out to get your morning paper?

Too all those who are still insane enough to think the Iraq war was justified I blame each and every one of you personally for the death of each human that has resulted in your support. Each and every one of you has the blood of our solders on your hands and at some point will have to answer to God for you sins.

The sooner the Antichrist in Washington looses his power the better. Lets just hope we don't get another 4 year of this insanity.
chorizo1
QUOTE(trentdadi @ Sep 23 2008, 10:27 PM) *

I am not voting because that's how they get your name into the jury duty pools.



wow, I'd rather let the country go to shit than spend a day at a court house. rolleyes.gif

People who don't vote, shouldn't have opinions when it comes to politics or policy.

I just got out of jury duty right now to boot.
Elemino
QUOTE(chorizo1 @ Sep 24 2008, 02:26 PM) *
People who don't vote, shouldn't have opinions when it comes to politics or policy.
People who don't vote don't have an opinion... they just think they do. Or rather, their opinion means absolutely nothing.
djtonic
QUOTE(Elemino @ Sep 24 2008, 08:12 PM) *

Funny you say that. MS likes republicans. The democrats where trying to split the company up in the late 90's. Regardless of who votes, what it's all about is money. Those republicans love that democrat money they're making. They're not helping anyone's ego, they're just giving us another form of entertainment. This poll means absolutely nothing.

That's why i was surprised at their joining with rock the vote.
Obviously the poll "means" nothing but the Ego part is the "landslide victory" that the poll shows obama would have...How is releasing those "results" entertaining.

It's like polling evangelical christians to see if they like jesus or satan better..or McCain vs Barack(***not equating them to jesus and satan by the way...it would just show the same outcome.) Or like taking a poll in africa to see if they believe that lions exist.

it's just stupid...and i know my analogy is dumb too, but its the best i have.

Mr N
It doesn't matter whether anyone votes for McCain or Obama. McCain will probably win because the Republicans will most likely just cheat again like they did in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. Then, we will probably fight some other war (or continue the current failure in Iraq) that will make them even richer.

QUOTE(Elemino @ Sep 24 2008, 08:29 PM) *

People who don't vote don't have an opinion... they just think they do. Or rather, their opinion means absolutely nothing.


Your vote doesn't really count. If it did, Al Gore would have been the president in 2000.
djtonic
QUOTE(Mr N @ Sep 24 2008, 09:57 PM) *

It doesn't matter whether anyone votes for McCain or Obama. McCain will probably win because the Republicans will most likely just cheat again like they did in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. Then, we will probably fight some other war (or continue the current failure in Iraq) that will make them even richer.
Your vote doesn't really count. If it did, Al Gore would have been the president in 2000.

Wow..that's rediculous.

give an example to back up any of your statement( i dont need an example of why Iraq war is a mistake, that we agree 100%)

Al Gore, besides being a douchebag lost the election because of the electorial college, a very needed and sometimes confusing system to keep elections balanced. Do some homework
No one "cheated"

P.S. The us governement did not blow up the twin towers, it was jets flown by radical jihadists.
Reaper527
QUOTE(Mr N @ Sep 24 2008, 04:57 PM) *

Your vote doesn't really count. If it did, Al Gore would have been the president in 2000.


the electoral college exists to make sure all regions get an equal say. a purely popular vote system would mean that only new york, chicago, and la would be represented (as their population is vastly unproportional to the rest of the nation), while less populated areas, such as the majority of the midwest, would have no voice.

the electoral college may have flaws, but it absolutely serves a purpose and is much better then a purely popular vote system.
tc154
Too bad probably most of this survey was taken by kids so the results are a little skewed. Kids tend to vote for the "popular" guy, like an American Idol election or something. They don't really know what Obama's policies or what he stands for...

OH WAIT, NEITHER DOES THE REST OF AMERICA! I've never seen somebody change his position on issues so much in my life.

Oh, but let's all get together, hold hands, close our eyes and hope for change real hard!

Go McCain/Palin!


TheoGeek
QUOTE(Mr N @ Sep 24 2008, 02:57 PM) *

It doesn't matter whether anyone votes for McCain or Obama. McCain will probably win because the Republicans will most likely just cheat again like they did in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. Then, we will probably fight some other war (or continue the current failure in Iraq) that will make them even richer.
Your vote doesn't really count. If it did, Al Gore would have been the president in 2000.


Wow. It really scares me that people who don't even understand how our government works are allowed to vote.

PROTIP: USA == Representative Republic != Pure Democracy

I applaud all the gamers out there who actually take time to understand our government. I actually don't care who you vote for, as long as you know why you are voting for him or her. "Hope and Change!" or "Because he chose a female VP!" doesn't count. But that doesn't mean I can't call you a moron for voting for someone more liberal than the lone socialist in congress... jester.gif

I'm in favor of some rudimentary test being given to anybody who wants to vote that asks questions about the candidate for whom you are voting. If you FAIL, no vote for you!
Heet
Right, we are a republic but vote in a democracy.


I actually heard a woman at work say the other night "im voting for obama because he's cute". When I asked how thats any kind of a qualification she said "omg so your voting for McCain!" LOL.


Gotta love it. I guess as long as she gets updated on Britney Spears life and her minimum wage goes up she's cool with whatever.


Go ask these people who sits on the supreme court or to name 3 US senators. Or what Obama and McCain stand for. They have no clue.
ishtar
Obama cute Ewuuuu man they must be blind or something Big ears long face cute .... biggrin.gif
Elemino
QUOTE(djtonic @ Sep 24 2008, 03:38 PM) *

That's why i was surprised at their joining with rock the vote.
Obviously the poll "means" nothing but the Ego part is the "landslide victory" that the poll shows obama would have...How is releasing those "results" entertaining.

It's like polling evangelical christians to see if they like jesus or satan better..or McCain vs Barack(***not equating them to jesus and satan by the way...it would just show the same outcome.) Or like taking a poll in africa to see if they believe that lions exist.

it's just stupid...and i know my analogy is dumb too, but its the best i have.
Have you seen the top left corner on the main page of this site?
Elemino
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Sep 24 2008, 05:56 PM) *

the electoral college exists to make sure all regions get an equal say.
The flaw in your thinking is that you're thinking of us as REGIONS instead of ONE NATION. I'm not saying you're wrong or right.. .just that it has a philosophical flaw. I personally tend to lean toward the one nation concept, but that's just me.


QUOTE(tc154 @ Sep 24 2008, 06:00 PM) *
They don't really know what Obama's policies or what he stands for...
It's not that they know or don't know what Obama stands for, it's that they know McCain has been a loyal Bush follower and they know they don't want that. I have found it somewhat amusing that the closer to election day we get, the more he distances himself from Bush. But I remember him on numerous occasions sticking up for Bush's policies even when most other republicans were against him.

The thing I hate most about politics is we are voting for people we have never met. They can tell us what they want and we have no choice but to believe it. Everyone is manipulating what other's have done or said to make it sound good or bad and it doesn't help us in the least bit. The truth is the media decides who wins, not us. They make a certain candidate look a certain way and trust that we'll do the right thing on election day. The true genious is in the skits of SNL, Mad TV, and other late night programming and the way they have pointed out how saying something one way has a completely different conotation (sp?) from saying it a different way.
Reaper527
QUOTE(Elemino @ Sep 26 2008, 03:44 AM) *

The flaw in your thinking is that you're thinking of us as REGIONS instead of ONE NATION. I'm not saying you're wrong or right.. .just that it has a philosophical flaw. I personally tend to lean toward the one nation concept, but that's just me.


like i said, the alternative is thinking of the nation as a few cities, rather than a nation. a popular vote would make 80% of the nations vote not count (the percentage is area wise, not population wise, meaning california, texas, new york, florida, illinois, pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, georgia would have the same voting power as the other 41 states in the country, as they account for over 50% of the nations population)

that is far worse than an electoral system.

QUOTE(Elemino @ Sep 26 2008, 03:29 AM) *

Have you seen the top left corner on the main page of this site?


bad time for that example. current poll is what version of 360 has RRoD'ed on you wink.gif
Elemino
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Sep 26 2008, 10:00 AM) *
a popular vote would make 80% of the nations vote not count (the percentage is area wise, not population wise, meaning california, texas, new york, florida, illinois, pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, georgia would have the same voting power as the other 41 states in the country, as they account for over 50% of the nations population
Well of course. It's the opinion of the PEOPLE... I could care less what the trees in Wyoming want, or what the cactus in New Mexico desires. Empty land does not deserve a vote, the people deserve the vote. The Grand Canyon gets no tax breaks... it must pay it's medicare and income taxes like the rest of us.

QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Sep 26 2008, 10:00 AM) *
bad time for that example. current poll is what version of 360 has RRoD'ed on you wink.gif
It may be. But at one time there were questions like which MP3 player are you more likely to buy... Zune or iPod... which system are you more likely to buy 360 or PS3... we both know what the answer will be on a site called xbox-scene.
legssmit
lol... i think its funny how you Americans complain about the gas prices: I live in the Netherlands, and we pay 8,675 dollars a gallon ( no joke !!! really true !). So when you complain about the gas prices, think about others tongue.gif
Reaper527
QUOTE(Elemino @ Sep 26 2008, 11:38 PM) *

Well of course. It's the opinion of the PEOPLE... I could care less what the trees in Wyoming want, or what the cactus in New Mexico desires. Empty land does not deserve a vote, the people deserve the vote. The Grand Canyon gets no tax breaks... it must pay it's medicare and income taxes like the rest of us.


well, i wasn't talking about giving a tax break to the grand canyon, i was talking about how a popular vote system would greatly diminish (read as: eliminate) the voting representation of arizona. so the people who leave near the grand canyon will have no say on federal matters. like i said, popular vote puts the majority of power in the hands of 9 states, while screwing over the other 41. (and when i say majority, i do in fact mean the literal definition of more than 50%).

in a system where the democratic left wants to take more and more state power away and give those rights to the federal government, this would be a HUGE problem.

a popular vote system means the candidate that campaigns well in new york, california, and texas has nothing to worry about. like i said before, the electoral college system has natural balances built into it. there is a reason we are a representative republic, and not a true democracy

QUOTE(Elemino @ Sep 26 2008, 11:38 PM) *

It may be. But at one time there were questions like which MP3 player are you more likely to buy... Zune or iPod... which system are you more likely to buy 360 or PS3... we both know what the answer will be on a site called xbox-scene.


i know, i was just giving you a hard time on that one. thats why i said it was bad timing for that comment instead of disagreeing with it.
Elemino
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Sep 27 2008, 11:57 AM) *

well, i wasn't talking about giving a tax break to the grand canyon, i was talking about how a popular vote system would greatly diminish (read as: eliminate) the voting representation of arizona. so the people who leave near the grand canyon will have no say on federal matters. like i said, popular vote puts the majority of power in the hands of 9 states, while screwing over the other 41. (and when i say majority, i do in fact mean the literal definition of more than 50%).

in a system where the democratic left wants to take more and more state power away and give those rights to the federal government, this would be a HUGE problem.

a popular vote system means the candidate that campaigns well in new york, california, and texas has nothing to worry about. like i said before, the electoral college system has natural balances built into it. there is a reason we are a representative republic, and not a true democracy
i know, i was just giving you a hard time on that one. thats why i said it was bad timing for that comment instead of disagreeing with it.
I don't disagree with what you're saying, that's why we have representatives and senators. But as for one nation picking one president, we should have one equal vote. As it stands now, people in Wyoming and near the grand canyon actually have more say over who will be president than I do here in Texas. It's their thousands of votes against our Millions.
Reaper527
QUOTE(Elemino @ Sep 28 2008, 01:38 AM) *

As it stands now, people in Wyoming and near the grand canyon actually have more say over who will be president than I do here in Texas. It's their thousands of votes against our Millions.


at the same time though, they have less people so they also have less electoral votes. wyoming has 3 electoral votes, while your state of texas has 32. a lot of balancing has gone into the system.

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/country...es/electorl.htm
Heet
Just saw this video yesterday. It explains what happened with fannie mae and freddie mac.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs...feature=related


Interesting.
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