http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27076436/




i saw a similar story yesterday, but figured it would get swept under the rug due to the media's love affair with obama. it looks like that might not be the case

(here is the link i saw yesterday if anyone is curious http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/06/...n4504955.shtml)

dont see how this is surprising... given how heavily the US' actions affect the rest of the world, and the shitstorm that was the bush admin, its not hard to imagine the outside world wouldnt want another shit republican pres...

its illegal, so it will be interesting to see what happens now that it is coming to light. i also wonder if there will be an anti-obama backlash.

There is a reason the Democratic Party's symbol is a jackass!

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Well at least he didn't get all that money from the woman he cheated on his first wife with

EDIT-
Or maybe he did. haha

he did look pretty happy in europe...

Hehe.

What do you do when your Campaign is in trouble, and you have no real answers for the current crisis and topics:

KARL ROVE STYLE POLITICS:

PAINT THE OTHER GUY AS A TERRORIST OR UN-AMERICAN. A.ka. Make a Vietnam vet like Kerry look worse than a draft dodging puppet.

Typical Republican Smear Machine Bullshit. It Won't work this time though. Someone posted in these forums wrote about what good things came out of an Iraq War = People are Not easily scared into voting for what they suspect is wrong.
We saw it in the 1st Bank bailout attempt, when the Bush Admin. wanted a blank check with no oversight, everyone started writing in and saying: "wait a miinute, we don't trust you that much anymore" and made them have to revise it, before passing.

People are Opening their eyes to these type of Smear Politics, and Scare Tactics, you can see it in the Polls. Obama has made more points during this whole week of attacks by simply calling out the Campaign as being out of touch. The economy is going to shit and Obama is discussing it, while McCains Campaign is making smear attacks. McCain has let his cronies and the right media (Hanitty, Limbaugh) make it worse. It worked last time, but NOT THIS TIME.

Did you see that old lady the other night at a McCain Rally saying she didn't trust Obama cause she read he was Muslim. LOL. CLASSIC. McCain had to admit that some of the insinuations his Republican hitmen are making are not true. I liked that he finally admitted that.

Finally some straight talk again. keep it up.

His answer was worded kind of funny, but I am glad for his sentiment. He said something along the lines of "He's not Arab, he is a decent family man citizen."
Anyone who spins that to mean Arabs are not also "decent family men citizens," is stupid. He didn't mean it that way, but it is still a little funny to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_HcBQfPDto
Start a 1:20

I think he, other politicians and analysts are openning up to the idea of Obama becoming the next President.

Look at the winning percentage here:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Barring some catasrophe, it will be a very tough climb for McCain/Palin.

I have to agree with you here. Living in Nerbaska, I have to deal with all sorts of moronic opinions of Obama. Then when I try to bring up the Financial crisis in the seventies that McCain helped foster all I get is blank looks. Fuckin republicans.

actually, the bailout still sucked. the reason it passed the 2nd time around was because they took the $700b bill, and added a $150b bribe to it in order to buy a few votes. as far as i'm concerned the "revision" you mention is just corruption.




i personally blame the CRA, and that is not the republicans fault. the community (i forget if the r stood for reconstruction or restoration) act essentially fined banks for not making loans to low income families who couldn't afford said loan. it deemed anyone denying low income families requests for a loan to be racially motivated, and illegal. guess who it was that defaulted on their mortgage and caused a big portion of this economic mess. it was the people who should have been denied, but couldn't because of the CRA.

that being said, there is plenty of blame to go around, but unlike what obama would lead people to believe, this financial crisis isn't because republicans are evil and believe in a free market.

I actually got into a discussion about the CRA with my father yesterday so I was researching this anyway.

A lot of info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Rei...inancial_crisis

Edit: Well...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-zogby/...b_b_133884.html

huffingtonpost is liberal spam. unfortunately, we all knew that either them, or dailykos was going to put this spin on that. i agree with what you said, they are definitely taking this out of context.

nice link on the cra (damn, 2 guesses and i still got the r wrong)

Well I think Obama broke his promise of not taking foreign money. Now he isn't going to admit to it. But as we can see its true. But you're right, the media(most anyway) won't report it. Also something interesting from the VP debate; Biden said he didn't read McCains policy's in a response to Palin. But yet in other sentences compares McCain to Bush. Now, anyone being resonably intelligent should say'"how can you compare when you don't even know what you are comparing?" McCain voted along party lines. Just like Obama does for his side. But they put a twist on it. Seems like Obama puts a lot of twists on things. Everyone is looking for for the "perfect" canidate. Well good luck. I just don't think socialism is the way to go. One of the big points of socialism is wealth distribution or redistribution. How can the government tell you what you can make? Anything over would be redistributed. Thats BS. But thats what you'll get if Obama is president. And for those that can remember, how about the 70's energy crisis? The same thing was preached. Alternate this and that. But as history shows, what got done? Same thing here. Nothin will happen on that front, but it sounds good to the voters. And just wait till the ACORN thing breaks. Just last week I was approached by them. They asked if I was registered to vote. I was but wanted to see what would happen so I said no. They said great. Fill this out. I said do I need I.D? they said no. They then asked if I was to register Dem or Rep. I said Republican. Then they took the clipboard they handed me and walked away! Now if thats not bias. Well,people will see what we are in for when its to late. And as far as the economy. You know what caused that? GREED. Not Bush. GREED. Banks made loans they shouldn't have. People took loams they shouldn't have. And investers invested in things that were extremely risky. Didn't matter who was president. It was greed from both sides. As for the war. Lets not forget, The Dems voted for it! They had to because the Dems outnumber the Reps in both the House and Senate. So now the very people who voted for it, made a complete turn around, funny huh? And people are eating it up! There is no such thing as the perfect canidate. Never will be. But you have to see beyond the smoke and mirrors. No politician,Republican or Democrat, is or was looking out for the common man. Lets not forget these are rich people. When was the last time a rich man looked out for you?

whoa there...


yeah NOW they do, not when the iraq shit was voted on...

im not arguing they didnt vote for it, but get your story straight...

I was talking more about the people's reaction, and refusal to just go along with something, because the Bush admin. wanted the people to. As for the added shit, to pass, it just adds to peoples growing mistrust in Govt. (which is good)




I agree, although if it was the other way around they'd do the same thing.

What that Old lady said was Very Ignorant/Racist, BUT that's what happens when many people are being deliberately misinformed, and manipulated.

As I said I don't blame the McCain Campaign, but the far right nutjobs.

I got into this debate with someone the other day about Fox News and Msnbc. but that's a whole different topic, I may start another day. I want to see what other people think about it.

I hope they shut acorn down, bunch of stupid ass liberals paying people to vote for the canidate they want in office. And using our money to do it

You're right. Thats what I meant to say, but they still keep voting to fund it before they were the majority, and after. Now they make it seem like a bad thing. Typical political bullshit. How can you vote for both the war and CONSTANT funding, then turn around and say its bad? Maybe because of this misinformation the Dems have been spewin. Part of a master plot I believe. Now they are bashing the bail out when most Dems voted for that as well. I guess anything to get peoples votes. But its been that way for a while with career politicians. I just can't believe people are buying it. I guess it shows the intelligence levels of some generations.

And lets not forget the dumbass kid who hacked Palins email. Son of a Dem State Rep. I wonder who put him up to that? I guess " by any means neccesary" huh?

Why isnt anyone talking about the real issues.Here or on the campaign trail.

That the patriot act kills 7 of the 1st ten amendments and treats all citizens as terriost.

That the federal reserve and income tax system is a fraud and never met the states approval.We fought for our independance from england on the bases of taxes.Our great fathers fought this war on every aspect not limited to the demise of the central banking system because they knew the end result of the central banking system is slavery.Then how the bankers put there own president in office to get this system reinstated because this is the way they control our economy.They even assasinated a us senator who brought criminal charges against the president and other members of the presidents cabinet.His name was louis mcfadden and it is not listed as an assasination only that he was poisoned at a government banquet .The president was woodrow wilson and he wrote in his diary after his presidency ended that the central banking system was his biggest regret in life and that the government would never be able to succeed with that system because the end result is slavery.

The fact that are elections are a farce and the popular vote does not weigh into the next president but is decided by the electoral votes.So this just makes the election process nothing more than a mock up.

That all the media is censered by the goverment and they are only going to tell us what they want us to know.By doing this the goverment uses the media as a massive tool for public support and twist stories so the public get behind them.If you really want to know you must look at other media sources that are uncontrolled by the goverment.

This is nothing new there is proof of the governments ways all over the place.So I dont think this war is any different than the others.It was created by the government and was twisted to create panic among the people so we would willingly give up our rights.


We are in trouble as a nation as a world and no one can change anything but us not obama not mccain because they are part of the problem not the solution.We are getting closer and closer to a one world government and when that time comes you can take all the rights you have and throw them out the window.Once there is one power that answers to no one corruption will be right there behind it.

^ How are those Presidential issues?

I, personally, don't like the Patriot Act. but it is still open to the interpretation of the Supreme Court.

I, personally, don't like income tax. But, it is lawful. This again isn't up to the President. The President can push for reform, but he cannot do it by himself. The problem is, the government is now dependent on the money, and nobody can get rid of it.

I, personally, do like the Electoral College. I can explain why, but what does this have to do with anything? It is the way it is setup, and both campaign based on that fact. They both have to follow the same rules and they have both known the rules since day #1 of their campaigns. Who do you think the Electoral College is biased towards?

I am not sure what your point is with media. Do you want the media to mention the media is censored by the government. What will that do? If you don't like the MSM, browse the net. Read Al-Jazeera and the BBC. You aren't forced to tune in.

Both camps have voted for the war, so there isn't too much to talk about. They were both in agreement, regardless of your stance on the war.