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Xbox LIVE Exit Polls: Obama Leads by 20pct
Posted by XanTium | November 4 17:48 EST | News Category: (default)
 
From the press release:
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In less than 24 hours, the world will find out who is poised to lead the United States as its next President. Over the Halloween weekend, thousands were able to cast an early, unofficial "vote" on Xbox LIVE. The tallied results provide a unique exit poll, emphasizing where the youth votes could fall this historic day.

Xbox LIVE weekend of 10/31
Obama/Biden: 53%
McCain/Palin: 33%
Undecided/Other: 14%

CNN weekend of 10/31
Obama/Biden: 53%
McCain/Palin: 46%
Undecided/Other: 1%

These results follow a series of election-related polls hosted on Xbox LIVE. See below for more details, including another CNN poll captured during the same timeframe. While the Xbox undecideds still remain markedly higher than those in the CNN poll, the majority of the undecided voters broke for Obama between the two polls, with his numbers increasing 10 percentage points between Sept. 19 and Oct. 31.

Also included below is a snapshot from the Xbox LIVE issues poll, conducted the weekend of Oct. 17. It indicates while the economy/jobs are at the top of gamers' minds, this is far more than a one-issue race.

Xbox LIVE Issues Poll - weekend of 10/22
Jobs and Economy: 35%
Environment: 19%
Foreign Policy: 18%
Healthcare: 14%
Education: 14%

Xbox Live - weekend of 9/19
Obama/Biden: 43%
McCain/Palin: 31%
Undecided/Other: 26%

CNN - weekend of 9/19
Obama/Biden: 51%
McCain/Palin: 47%
Undecided/Other: 2%

To date, nearly a million pieces of election-specific content have been downloaded over Xbox 360 and Xbox LIVE (convention speeches, gamerpics, Rock the Vote videos etc.), reinforcing how large the footprint of this topic is in the Xbox LIVE community, which at 14 million-members strong is nearly double the size of New York City. Nearly 80,000 voter registration forms were also downloaded as part of the historic partnership between Xbox 360 and Rock the Vote in an effort to help register young Americans.
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metalcoat
Well we will see in a few hours!!!
Heet
I dont get it. Do people not understand socialism or do they not care?


I'd expect kids on live not to know better, but adults?


Wow.



Oh well, spread the wealth LOL.


dokworm
Wow, America will become a socialist nation if Obama wins?
Really?

I didn't know that.

When I was there and had to pay over $300 to get treatment for conjunctivitis (pinkeye) and the same treatment cost me $24 in Australia, I never really saw the US on the brink of tipping over to a socialist nation, but I could be wrong I guess.
chorizo1
Obama wins!!!!!!

pcrazy99
I'm not spreading any of my wealth.
ZprivateZ
Now are country has truly turned to shit.
metalcoat
Please socialism? Alaska gives away profits for oil companies raping their lands, isn't that socialism? The US is essentially subsidizing foreign countries with universal health care. Basically if we get universal health care here you will be paying for it there also. This isn't 100% true but close. They are your views but please educate yourselves.

Check out http://frontline.org for info onto health care in the United States compared to the world.
Mike4
QUOTE(Heet @ Nov 4 2008, 11:53 PM) *

I dont get it. Do people not understand socialism or do they not care?
I'd expect kids on live not to know better, but adults?
Wow.
Oh well, spread the wealth LOL.
I'm sure you're in a place mentally where you're really not going to listen to anything the "other side" has to say, but I have to tell you that most of the dirt they try to sling while campaigning is not actually true. They intentionally tell you these lies in order to scare you and win your vote. Until someone has been proven to be untrustworthy, you have to take them at their word, and Obama has never once said he was a Socialist who was going to be spreading Socialism. He simply stated that he was rolling back the tax cuts that George Bush implemented. If you think that is Socialism, then Bill Clinton would also have to be called a Socialist - something that I have never heard. The McCain camp used the Socialist line to get votes, but now that it's over, people are going to have to stop throwing that around. It simply isn't true.

I'm sorry your candidate of choice lost and I understand your anger, but you have to come to grips with the fact that both candidates are Americans who love this country. As dirty as the campaigning gets before the election, we have to realize that it's all over now and wee can go back to being civilized. Seriously, it blows my mind how most people get riled up in this country about the candidate they're not supporting - to the point where they actually consider that candidate to be an evil person with an agenda to destroy the country. I guess it's good that so many people get involved in the politics. uhh.gif

To answer your question, yes - people do understand Socialism and were wise enough to realize that it was propaganda and just wasn't true.

What I found to be ironic was the fact that when Obama talked about raising the taxes for people making $200,000, the only people complaining about it was a bunch of "regular Joes" who probably made less than $60,000. McCain and Palin were really trying to make it seem like they were working for the little guy and these people ate it up - despite the fact that most of those McCain supporters would benefit from Obama's tax plans. Where were the rich people who should have been complaining about higher taxes and why did all these regular people suddenly care so much about rich people paying less taxes?


QUOTE(ZprivateZ @ Nov 5 2008, 02:14 AM) *

Now are country has truly turned to shit.

I'm really sorry that our education system has failed you so miserably. Have no fear - Obama will not be vacationing, but will be actively making this country better and the school systems will be improving soon.


As an American and someone who has served this country in time of war, I have to say that I just have so much hope for what our country can become. This is a remarkable day in our country's history. smile.gif
MaulerX
Obama wins by a monstrous landslide. I'm just glad the country is smarter than the likes of
Heet and zprivatez.
Heet
Wow guys I didnt say the country was going to be socialist. The words of Obama himself point to socialism "spread the wealth" which is all I was saying in the post.


There are too many people in this country that wouldn't let that happen.


And im not pissed off he won or unable to listen to other sides guys, you got me wrong. I think democracy worked and republicans pissed away what they were HANDED 8 years ago. They won tons of seats then and did the wrong things in part which is why they just had their asses handed to them.

Paybacks are a bitch.


Hope he and his admin do the right things. If he does than he was the right choice.



*MaulerX*

Most of the electorate that voted Obama in has no earthly idea of his policies and I venture to say wouldn't be able to remotely describe socialism if they had to. Most people think you have the right to vote. Most people think that our style of government is democratic. Neither is true but the *smart* people that just voted him in, would think so.



I think if you are honest with yourself you would have to admit that this guy is in the position he is because of his image and almost nothing else. Same as Sarah Palin. If there are lots of other reasons, enlighten me please.





stupid guy out.....
MaulerX
QUOTE(Heet @ Nov 5 2008, 05:10 AM) *

Wow guys I didnt say the country was going to be socialist. The words of Obama himself point to socialism "spread the wealth" which is all I was saying in the post.
There are too many people in this country that wouldn't let that happen.
And im not pissed off he won or unable to listen to other sides guys, you got me wrong. I think democracy worked and republicans pissed away what they were HANDED 8 years ago. They won tons of seats then and did the wrong things in part which is why they just had their asses handed to them.

Paybacks are a bitch.
Hope he and his admin do the right things. If he does than he was the right choice.
*MaulerX*

Most of the electorate that voted Obama in has no earthly idea of his policies and I venture to say wouldn't be able to remotely describe socialism if they had to. Most people think you have the right to vote. Most people think that our style of government is democratic. Neither is true but the *smart* people that just voted him in, would think so.
I think if you are honest with yourself you would have to admit that this guy is in the position he is because of his image and almost nothing else. Same as Sarah Palin. If there are lots of other reasons, enlighten me please.
Oh and landslide? Obama = 58588055 To McCain = 52930375
I realize the electoral vote swung way in Obama's favor and thats what you mean. 349 to 158 is huge.

stupid guy out.....




Good riddance...
Heet
Glad we can agree to disagree.


ishtar
only thing people are concerened about are how many goodies he's gonna give them HELLO try none this country is bankrupt idiots all you'll get is a tax increase .....
Heet
Tell this lady that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR0sugseJfg


I guess that's one of the *smart* people MaulerX was eluding to.......
Elemino
All this arguing about spread the wealth is just plain stupid to me. The fact is the US was founded as a place to get away from the taxation of England, and then it turned around and did the same thing to itself. EVERYONE pays into taxes, like it or not. The only thing they were debating over is how much of that money the government should actually keep and how much it should give back. I'm tired of people saying we shouldn't be relying on FEMA in a disaster, because my reply is "then why the F*** are we financing FEMA?" Why pay for a disaster relief branch of government if it doesn't give relief? We're not paying the gorvernment taxes for our health, because it makes us happy, or because we like to make politicians rich while we struggle to make rent while paying other bills. The difference in views between Democrats and Republicans is how much should someone be taxed. Would you expect a billionaire to pay more taxes than Joe Mechanic (not plumber) who maybe has $100 or $200 of his check left at the end of the month to enjoy or save for retirement? But wait, that money is needed for medical expenses. Think about it.

And no you cannot believe everything ANY politician says. Like it or not, 99.99999999999% of the country does not personally know the person being elected. This is also why I believe pledging loyalty to a party is very ignorant. The politicians could care less about you. It's all about the money.


Edit: ok, I have to say something about the last two sentences... there are few politicians out there that genually care about the people. Those people don't usually pick one side of an argument simply because the other party already declared their side.
Reaper527
we made a huge mistake here, and its going to be a long 4 years without checks and balances. when he packs the supreme court, it will take a long time to undo
chorizo1
QUOTE(Heet @ Nov 5 2008, 06:05 AM) *

Tell this lady that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR0sugseJfg
I guess that's one of the *smart* people MaulerX was eluding to.......



Wow, talk to someone in the middle of a very personal/emotional moment, and have her say something that sounds stupid. ever been to a wedding? (usually the best man)

I doubt she meant that everything was gonna pay itself. It was more about the economy getting better, and having a better chance at getting her bills etc. paid.

Of course you can spin it all you want, It doesn't change the fact: OBAMA WINS!!!
Piratesmustperish
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Nov 5 2008, 12:22 PM) *

we made a huge mistake here, and its going to be a long 4 years without checks and balances. when he packs the supreme court, it will take a long time to undo



Yep. America deserves exactly what they picked. The expectation put on Obamma from his constituitents is huge. I can already see them foaming at the mouth in rage when he doesn't deliever what they *thought* he was going to. Such is the grifting, fickel vox populi. At least we can FINALLY drop the whole "We've never had a minority in the White House etc..." speak. What I find facinating is that we are the only major civilization (out of the 23 to 25 major civilizations in the history of the world) that has elected a miniority of its population to rule it. Yes, history has been made. Unfortunately, I have to be around when it happens. I honestly don't care about the minority issue, as I would have gladly accepted Colin Powell despite his lapse of judgment in endorsing Obamma.

However, as an Americian, in the spirit of survival and hope I will do my best to support the new president elect. I have to, because in four years (like Reaper) I will want America to be around so we can correct this mess.
xtreme995
QUOTE(Piratesmustperish @ Nov 5 2008, 02:06 PM) *

Yep. America deserves exactly what they picked. The expectation put on Obamma from his constituitents is huge. I can already see them foaming at the mouth in rage when he doesn't deliever what they *thought* he was going to. Such is the grifting, fickel vox populi. At least we can FINALLY drop the whole "We've never had a minority in the White House etc..." speak. What I find facinating is that we are the only major civilization (out of the 23 to 25 major civilizations in the history of the world) that has elected a miniority of its population to rule it. Yes, history has been made. Unfortunately, I have to be around when it happens. I honestly don't care about the minority issue, as I would have gladly accepted Colin Powell despite his lapse of judgment in endorsing Obamma.

However, as an Americian, in the spirit of survival and hope I will do my best to support the new president elect. I have to, because in four years (like Reaper) I will want America to be around so we can correct this mess.

I agree whole heartedly with both of you. reaper is exactly right though, the idiots that voted for obama deserve what they get. Obama will fall on his face, his policies, as he states them to be,will prove that to be a fact. people voted for obama without knowing truly who he is or what his true agenda is. you can ask anyone what they think Obama is going to do, or what he is really about and their going to tell you "I don't know" or "I'm not for sure, we'll see", personally, that's not something i want to hear from anyone, about a man that was just elected to be the leader of the free world. Atleast with McCain you would know exactly what you would be getting. But, thank god there are people like us (McCain supporters), with conservative views, and values, that will be around in four years to help vote this country out of this mess, that obama will worsen. grr.gif
xtalent
QUOTE(xtreme995 @ Nov 5 2008, 04:12 PM) *

I agree whole heartedly with both of you. reaper is exactly right though, the idiots that voted for obama deserve what they get. Obama will fall on his face, his policies, as he states them to be,will prove that to be a fact. people voted for obama without knowing truly who he is or what his true agenda is. you can ask anyone what they think Obama is going to do, or what he is really about and their going to tell you "I don't know" or "I'm not for sure, we'll see", personally, that's not something i want to hear from anyone, about a man that was just elected to be the leader of the free world. Atleast with McCain you would know exactly what you would be getting. But, thank god there are people like us (McCain supporters), with conservative views, and values, that will be around in four years to help vote this country out of this mess, that obama will worsen. grr.gif


amen !!
Elemino
QUOTE(xtreme995 @ Nov 5 2008, 04:12 PM) *
conservative views, and values
What exactly does that mean? I've heard it thrown around all the time and no one has defined what a "conservative view" is. If that just means republican then why is it so great? It's amazing how many millionairs and billionaires we have on xbox-scene. Incredible.. why do you spend your time here instead of out counting the money you think will be taken from you?

I'm disappointed in the republican party. I don't really claim either party, but I know they run the supreme court right now. The main reason I wanted them in their was to make a step toward pro-life and help fix societies probelm with pregnant single mothers. They didn't do a damn thing. So seeing that their attention has turned to protecting big business that constantly steps all over its customers and lower employees, I voted against them this time. Exxon Mobile F***s us enough without republican protection; Enron did enough damage without republican protection; AIG, WAMU, Lehman Brothers, Fannie May and Freddy Mac have done enough to screw up this country without the protections of republicans. Why do rich people who would other wise wipe their asses with the money need tax breaks? It doesn't affect most people on Xbox-live or xbox-scene, because we don't make enough to be considered rich. Personally I feel like the republican party has let the country down. They had the executive, legislative, and judicial branches all to them selves and didn't do a damn thing but wait too long when Katrina hit. And another thing, I said earlier and I'll say it again, STOP SPENDING MY MONEY ON A DISASTER RELIEF PROGRAM THAT BLAMES PEOPLE FOR WANTING RELIEF WHEN DISASTER STRIKES!
Just a Shadow
QUOTE(ishtar @ Nov 5 2008, 07:57 AM) *

only thing people are concerened about are how many goodies he's gonna give them HELLO try none this country is bankrupt idiots all you'll get is a tax increase .....


lol..
manatarms25
Welcome to the new U.S.S.A


United Socialist States of America dry.gif


Great wonder how long until World War 3 is here now......
Reaper527
QUOTE(Elemino @ Nov 5 2008, 07:51 PM) *

What exactly does that mean? I've heard it thrown around all the time and no one has defined what a "conservative view" is. If that just means republican then why is it so great? It's amazing how many millionairs and billionaires we have on xbox-scene. Incredible.. why do you spend your time here instead of out counting the money you think will be taken from you?


conservative has nothing to do with being rich. it has to do with being smart enough to know that the government can't solve problems by throwing money at it. the government should be taking a hands off approach and letting the free market works its magic. it also gives people personal responsibility instead of turning the government into the overseer of a nanny-state.

i'll give you an example of the opposite of this in action.

barney frank (D-Massachusetts) pushes a bill through that forces banks to make loans to low income families who can't afford the loans, so they can buy houses they have no business buying. these people default on those loans, and the economy goes into the shitter.

QUOTE(Elemino @ Nov 5 2008, 07:51 PM) *

Exxon Mobile F***s us enough without republican protection;


yeah, those evil bastards with their 4% profit margin while the government makes 15%+ per gallon.


QUOTE(Elemino @ Nov 5 2008, 07:51 PM) *

They had the executive, legislative, and judicial branches all to them selves and didn't do a damn thing but wait too long when Katrina hit. And another thing, I said earlier and I'll say it again, STOP SPENDING MY MONEY ON A DISASTER RELIEF PROGRAM THAT BLAMES PEOPLE FOR WANTING RELIEF WHEN DISASTER STRIKES!


1. you are very quick to condemn the party for katrina, while ignoring the fact they learned from their mistakes and have had excellent responses to all the hurricanes and disasters that have happened since then. its easy to overlook PREVENTED disasters. look at the big picture before you bitch.

2. are you referring to the people who wanted their $500,000+ 2nd houses to be rebuilt in the same flood zone on the tax payers dollar? i have no problem with the government helping people who are legitimately in need, but alot of the houses damaged in katrina weren't the cheap houses the anti-bush crowd seems to think it is. alot of these houses were vacation houses and second homes, worth over a half million dollars each. these people then turn around and build their house in the same place and wait for another disaster. i would support a 3 strikes in the same location and you get nothing rule
Elemino
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Nov 5 2008, 09:13 PM) *

conservative has nothing to do with being rich. it has to do with being smart enough to know that the government can't solve problems by throwing money at it. the government should be taking a hands off approach and letting the free market works its magic. it also gives people personal responsibility instead of turning the government into the overseer of a nanny-state.
I have no problem with them taking a hands off approach... I have a problem with them taking my money and then saying "sorry, can't help."

QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Nov 5 2008, 09:13 PM) *
yeah, those evil bastards with their 4% profit margin while the government makes 15%+ per gallon.
The only thing is the government set those rates when gas was $0.99 per gallon here. Now AFTER the economy took a nose dive, they are still over $2. It also sounds like it works out nicely for a form of gov't that supports big business stepping on the little guy. Do you need a history lesson to know why our gov't started taking an active roll? Think your job is nice compared to third world for no reason? Do some research on Mining in the 1800's and early 1900's. Some citizens forget very quickly, but there are reasons for certain things. When people forget, they start to condemn and wonder why.

QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Nov 5 2008, 09:13 PM) *
1. you are very quick to condemn the party for katrina, while ignoring the fact they learned from their mistakes and have had excellent responses to all the hurricanes and disasters that have happened since then. its easy to overlook PREVENTED disasters. look at the big picture before you bitch.
Anyone from the South knows what you just said is complete and utter BULL SH*T. They have NOT learned from their mistakes. They are NOT responding any faster. And if you don't believe me, take a visit to Mississippi, Louisiana, and Galveston, TX and see how the people are living homeless now they don't have their "2nd houses." Not every place is like Miami. Those areas were never rich. Average at best. Galveston still has yet to start the rebuilding from hurricane Ike, and many people had trouble getting back home and many of the ones that did are homeless. I don't want to hear anything about FEMA stepping up to the plate, because one of the biggest contributing states to tax revenues was hit hard and they are sputtering along like an early 80's chrystler. Those people paid taxes, and the governmen't couldn't even step in to at least put them in some kind of shelter? WTF?

Why exactly do we even pay taxes? If the government isn't going to help, we should pay that money to EMS services and county hospitals that will take over when disaster does strike. Government needs no trillions of dollars each year if it only makes laws. If that's the case, our taxes should be along the lines or 1 cent for every dollar. That's still a lot of money multiplied by the number of people in this country.
Reaper527
QUOTE(Elemino @ Nov 5 2008, 10:06 PM) *

Why exactly do we even pay taxes? If the government isn't going to help, we should pay that money to EMS services and county hospitals that will take over when disaster does strike. Government needs no trillions of dollars each year if it only makes laws. If that's the case, our taxes should be along the lines or 1 cent for every dollar. That's still a lot of money multiplied by the number of people in this country.


you aren't going to get an argument out of me on that one. here in mass, we had a ballot question to repeal the state income tax. i absolutely voted yes, even though the question failed (hardcore blue state, people like paying taxes here).

i am all for an extremely minimal tax system. give us roads, give us a military to keep us safe, give us police, give us schools (and make it transparent to use our tax tuition towards a private school) and contract to a EMS service. we should only have truly essential programs. the government should be as small as possible, and taking as little money from its people as possible.

on a somewhat related note (it relates to wasting tax dollars) think it should be illegal for a sitting government worker to run for a different office. obama missed 80% of his senate votes over the past 2 years while campaigning for president. clinton, biden, mccain, and pretty much every senator missed a comparable amount. while politicians from both parties skipped their day job 4 out of 5 days, we paid them $160k/year.
Sepiku8484
QUOTE(Heet @ Nov 5 2008, 08:05 AM) *

Tell this lady that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR0sugseJfg
I guess that's one of the *smart* people MaulerX was eluding to.......


It's really funny when people try to misquote. But that lady was saying WORRY not WORK. Nice try though.
Elemino
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Nov 5 2008, 10:31 PM) *
while politicians from both parties skipped their day job 4 out of 5 days, we paid them $160k/year.
If I did that, I'd be fired for sure. It wouldn't take two years either. This is one of the reasons I can't hadly stand politicians. A good one comes along every now and then, but most of them lie to our faces, take our money, and cater to special interests... the interests are usually pocket books.

Like I said before, we don't really know the people we are voting for. We only know the front they put up, and what the media wants us to hear, see and believe.
Sepiku8484
QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Nov 5 2008, 11:31 PM) *

you aren't going to get an argument out of me on that one. here in mass, we had a ballot question to repeal the state income tax. i absolutely voted yes, even though the question failed (hardcore blue state, people like paying taxes here).

i am all for an extremely minimal tax system. give us roads, give us a military to keep us safe, give us police, give us schools (and make it transparent to use our tax tuition towards a private school) and contract to a EMS service. we should only have truly essential programs. the government should be as small as possible, and taking as little money from its people as possible.

on a somewhat related note (it relates to wasting tax dollars) think it should be illegal for a sitting government worker to run for a different office. obama missed 80% of his senate votes over the past 2 years while campaigning for president. clinton, biden, mccain, and pretty much every senator missed a comparable amount. while politicians from both parties skipped their day job 4 out of 5 days, we paid them $160k/year.



Damn I must be a center left. All that stuff sounds good to me. I care more about that and upholding the constitution and forcing equality. Let's do that stuff lol.
MaulerX
QUOTE(Sepiku8484 @ Nov 6 2008, 02:47 AM) *

It's really funny when people try to misquote. But that lady was saying WORRY not WORK. Nice try though.



Exactly. There is always alot of bitterness on the losing side. Always has been. Nothing different here.

And to quote Ric Flair: Weather you like it or hate it, learn to love it!! Woooooo!!!


Piratesmustperish
QUOTE(MaulerX @ Nov 6 2008, 03:42 AM) *

Exactly. There is always alot of bitterness on the losing side. Always has been. Nothing different here.

And to quote Ric Flair: Weather you like it or hate it, learn to love it!! Woooooo!!!



Mauler, you are absolutely right, there is bitterness on the losing side. However, it is reasonable bitterness, not some gut emotional response based off of reasonless ideas. I sincerely hope you can see that. If you can't, you'll see it soon enough (ie. when you and the rest of the Obamma supporters start cursing him under your breath because he isn't doing what you thought he was going to do).

In regards to Ric Flair's quote. I will never love "it," but I will tolerate and support "it" because I do believe in America and its founding principles. But asking me to love the outcome is like asking a chicken to love KFC.
MaulerX
Their is always "reasonable" bitterness. But none more than the 2000 debacle.
I myself is a registered Republican. But in todays economic woes, I could not
support a man who self admitedly doesn't know much in economics and whose
running mate does not know what the duties of the Vice President are.

Obama won because of the repudiation of Republicans like myself felt and who
(turned to the dark side, if you will) and voted against it.

Oh, and heaven forbid Obama even remotely does a good job....
xtreme995
QUOTE(Sepiku8484 @ Nov 6 2008, 01:57 AM) *

Damn I must be a center left. All that stuff sounds good to me. I care more about that and upholding the constitution and forcing equality. Let's do that stuff lol.

if you believe that then your closer to being a conservative than you think. He explained some of the core beliefs of the republican party in that post. Sadly the last couple of years us as conservative republicans have stepped away from that. Especially with the damn bailout, but in all honesty i could see how it helps to because if they let it get much worse, then foreign investment will pull their money out of the US, then were really screwed. i also believe in the free market BUT it looked like the free market wasn't going to work fast enough, on the other hand that joke of a bailout doesn't seem to be working either. DOW ind. fell 443.48 points today that's the second day in a row, it dropped almost 500 points. Now it seems to me that since it finished up almost every day last week, and monday, and tuesday, the markets are reacting to Obama getting elected, or it could be just an inconvinient coincidence. you decide. keep in mind that people that live off of capital gains are going to pull their money out of the markets before the tax rates go up, therefore making the economy worse.
Sepiku8484
QUOTE(xtreme995 @ Nov 6 2008, 07:58 PM) *

if you believe that then your closer to being a conservative than you think. He explained some of the core beliefs of the republican party in that post. Sadly the last couple of years us as conservative republicans have stepped away from that. Especially with the damn bailout, but in all honesty i could see how it helps to because if they let it get much worse, then foreign investment will pull their money out of the US, then were really screwed. i also believe in the free market BUT it looked like the free market wasn't going to work fast enough, on the other hand that joke of a bailout doesn't seem to be working either. DOW ind. fell 443.48 points today that's the second day in a row, it dropped almost 500 points. Now it seems to me that since it finished up almost every day last week, and monday, and tuesday, the markets are reacting to Obama getting elected, or it could be just an inconvinient coincidence. you decide. keep in mind that people that live off of capital gains are going to pull their money out of the markets before the tax rates go up, therefore making the economy worse.


There have to be some regulation obviously. Like I said I'm center left. If only for the fact I think that gay civil rights is more a human issue than religious. Also I believe in growing the economy from the ground up.
Reaper527
QUOTE(xtreme995 @ Nov 6 2008, 06:58 PM) *

keep in mind that people that live off of capital gains are going to pull their money out of the markets before the tax rates go up, therefore making the economy worse.


that actually has to be done now. as i quoted in my post in the politics section, you have to declare your intent to sell by november 15th in order to sell before years end.

IMO, this will continue to go down hill for the next week or 2, and then after that date, things will stabilize until obama is sworn in
Heet
NM he corrected
I Use Dial
I'm so god-damn sick of politics on my f*cking Xbox. I come here to escape, you morons. I can get that sh*t anywhere.

I support a law banning politics from Xbox 360's.
Reaper527
QUOTE(I Use Dial @ Nov 8 2008, 04:26 PM) *

I'm so god-damn sick of politics on my f*cking Xbox. I come here to escape, you morons. I can get that sh*t anywhere.

I support a law banning politics from Xbox 360's.



all they had on the 360 was a poll. you don't like it, don't do the survey. simple as that. some people actually care about the direction the nation takes wink.gif
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