I hope you are right. I'll check them out now.

don't know if someone can answer, but what the chance to see a workaround who will re-enable the HDD on a banned 360

You guys do realize that theres a guy sitting at MS headquarters right now pleasuring himself to all this mass confusion!

Look what i did mummy, now give me my damn pudding!

By the way which of your consoles was banned? The US ones or the JAP one. Curious, because I have a similar setup and have yet to be banned yet.

That sucks man I got the last update that's D 2.08507xxxx I think, so if I was to get that last update from M$ my Jtag is gone but you said stuck in a backup of Fairytale Fights while still offline, the game loaded (yay), stuck in Liberty City Stories, game loaded (yay). So I put the system all back together, then sign online.. "Your system has been banned"

With your backup game in ?

NO so it's the NAND is holding information then sending it back to M$ because NAND can hold information with out Power.

Playing it offline noting will happen, but if you where to put your drive back in that was never flashed just the original that you got the DVDkey off and play a Original game noting would happen I say because the NAND can hold information with out Power, there's over writing the information that was in there before updating the NAND before connecting it to the internet.

I will be trying this after I get my Benq drive, this one is going to be flashed with 1.61 to play backups all on a Memory Card.

Then taking out the Benq drive putting the Original back in then playing the Original Game with A HDD that never seen a Hacked drive or a Memory Card that it might of used after I killed all power to the device and updating the NAND with new information that's from the Original drive before going online and I say I'll be fine.

Whats Stopping M$ like they did on Xbox1 ?

I think something like that might require some sort of modification to the NAND. There has to be somewhere in the console that says "I am banned" and to change something like that will prolly require modification. so right now with the homebrew is slowly developing im saying 50/50

Well, I just read something off the ABGX360 website. Apparently they say that the latest version of abgx360 v1.01 will report all wave 4 as possible corrupt. So it is impossible for it to verify them.




It was one of my US systems.

i´ve just checked all my backups with abgx and they are all green! Never played an early release never used activate.iso, always used verbs media, my hdd its genuine and never used 360xplorer, used ck3 to power the drive... so always on the safe side and still got banned yesterday.
So they must be detecting the drive firmware or something is wrong with abgx database

I have An idea..

so everyone I have talked to with a banned consol in my city ( none of the ones i put 1.51 or 1.6 have been banned )...
BUT everyone i have talked to that want me to hack a new one for them ( 8 people ) all got banned in the past week and all have the non-hdmi console with 20gb hard drives..
so i was wondering how many people who have gotten banned have the non-hdmi???
this might be a factor in it too due to microsoft trying to push the hdmi feature. i mean if i had a non-hdmi and i got banned by now 3 yrs later payign 200 for a new one with new features like hdmi isnt a bad idea and being able to use the old hd from the non-hdmi ways in too.. why not crash the hd?? why only disable it from a banned console??

so you need to add on the pole ( hdmi or non-hdmi )

and also all the guys who my friend had modded who got banned well all non-hdmi and 200gb hd and all black guys who play pretty much just sports game aka madden nhl nba etc....and halo....but my friend who modded their said they ALL play madden i called him just now to ask what all he had "gave" them to play....

so maybe the ss/pfi about microsoft working with developers is a good thought too...

but i would REALLY like to know how many others( banned ) were non-hdmi consoles.

I think it's more like we are to be honest. They must be wondering "Hmm, why did I missed those other guys who appear to have a flashed 360", that or they must be knowing these people were not targeted or they weren't implied by the ban trigger event.

My banned system was non-HDMI. But maybe that just means they are starting with lower serial numbers and working their way up.

Same situation. Never played a Wave4 game or had to autofix a backup in abg360. Just finished verifying my (three!) physical backups all passed. Most recent game I played was Batman.

One of these is 100% true:

1. Microsoft can now detect the presence of modded firmware
2. Results from modded firmware do not always 100% match an unmodded drive.

I wonder if it has anything to do with the amount of hours people play on Live?

A certain number of "strikes" on Xbox Live and you are out (for whatever it is they are checking fo)

But the casual players will take alot longer to get to that threshhold.

Thoughts?

Started playing on my Xeon(non-HDMI) at around 9 to 12 in the morning than get on around 6 hours later to play some more and discover than I was banned. I also posted in the other post that had people saying if they were banned or not that I hadn't been banned yet.

Country: Canada
Drive: BenQ(spoofed as MS28)
Firmware: iXtreme 1.6
Wave 4: nope
Activate.iso: nope
Games early: Rock Band: The Beatles
Games installed to HD: Rock Band: The Beatles
Last Games Played: Forza 3, Borderlands

I'm no lawyer, but cripling OFFLINE functionality off the console seems like M$ may have opened up a can of worms here.

People being banned would fall into the following categories I assume :

- Knowing modder
- Legitimate user (previously modded secondhand system)
- Legitimate user (previously modded refurbished system?)


I would say legitimate users always need an official avenue for appeal - which is already lacking. Knowing modders - bad luck. However with M$ intentially going beyond just barring access to online systems I assume all users, legitimate or not now have grounds to appeal this situation. Depending on the laws governing their country a vendor sabotaging your purchased goods and even possibly data? No No No.

I urge all Australians to contact Consumer Affairs and ACCC and put their case forward. Other nations with government bodies protecting consumer right, should do the same. Something is not right here gentlemen. Not right at all.

I may have the answer for these bans:

1: my cousin was downloading Left4Dead 2 Demo and halfway through it it just froze and Boom: ban...
@ 1600 eastern time, he's got Lite-on 1.51 and he never checks his games, he has the Facebook/twitter beta, and his data was being corrupter days before the ban, so maybe they can only check while you transferring data at certain times.

2: "this is my theory, and the reason for my loggin name",.... maybe they have some idiot @ M$ headquarter going through forums like this one matching loggin names to gametags. thus the erratic bans.

does anyone banned in here have a gamertag that has never been used as a nickname in any forums?

No it is not abgx with the wrong data, it is quite simply a different pressing than the one you have, may have being made in a different plant. Please can people stop saying abgx is bad if you don't understand the way it works.

i was just thinking.....

i ordered a hard drive connectivity kit off ebay for like 10$ last week and what if ( on a non-banned console)
i hooked the hd up and copied all the profiles on the 20gb hd to my hard drive on my laptop then if my 20gb gets banned and i put it on a non-banned console and format it ( which ask for console serial # of new console ) then would i be able to put my profile
( saved to laptop as backup) back onto the newly formatted hd? since it has a new serial # associated with it maybe now the 20gb and profile would work and not be blacklisted on other systems????

any thoughts??/
like i said i'm waiting for my hd kit to come via snail mail so i dont know if this is even possible yet..

This may sounds dumb saying it but is there any chance it has something to do with the disc PFI checks. Say someone burns a disk and doesn't get the booktype setting correct and it gets burned as just a DVD+R DL disk instead of coming out as a DVD-ROM type of disk. I'm completely new to this but thats one thing I never hear about people talking about when it comes to there backup copies. I also thought that I read somewhere at first the hacked firmware used to have the booktype set to DVD-ROM but they changed to to boot with either booktype. One thing that people could do is take there burnt disk and check them out on there computer and see if all of there games are booktyped as DVD-ROM or not and see what happens.

Sorry about that one I though I added it thanks man Abgx360 is not Bad just the Pirates that use it

Issue is I disconnect the sata from the Xbox everytime I rip a game with xbox left on and AV in.

the 2nd one about microsoft reps is sound the admins should look into who all registered within the weeks of the ban and the weeks before and give out the ip addresses so we can see the range and see if any come from the cities microsoft has bases setup.

yes i know ips change but the range will still show the origin of it aka 98.178.148.XXX = oklahoma.... the hotel i'm at anyways.. and so on so the "range" would tell us where the accounts came from...
i mean if you want to follow through with the theory.

this is just basic stuff getting into the database and getting the admins to pull the info if they even keep records is the hard part.

Just got banned a few minutes ago when trying to sign onto play a session of L4Dead with a mate! So apparently the banwave is still going on strong. Benq 1.6 (Arcade with HDMI and 20 GB refurb HD from Microsoft), United States, btw. No gamerhacks or modifications outside of firmware flashing.

Have only had Live Gold for a little over two weeks (playing a couple hours every day), so I don't know if that qualifies as a heavy user by any stretch of the imagination. Only played Wave 3 or below games tested (but not patched) by abgx360, with the exception of Tekken 6 (via activation disc) which I've played for the last two days offline. I highly doubt T6 or activation is the "trigger," though.

In any case, hats off to Microsoft! They're doing their proper job protecting their assets, and I have nothing but respect for that -- I would do the same in their position. No hard feelings!

I do hope we somehow deduce Microsoft's "secret process of elimination" for the good of users in the future, though.

The idea of the fw is to hide this from MS$ but if there was an issue with this then some people may be in trouble. I use Pioneer 212D and it auto book-types to DVD rom.

I do wonder about the size of the images though. Remember an image with splitvid shows up as 7.29GB an image without shows as 7.05GB, the idea of the FW is report right data anyway, however maybe M$ has found ways to report wrong size. Original disc has video on both partitions like splitvid, could explain why none of my systems banned since 2007 ban wave, there is my input.

I know it isn't supposed to be an issue but just to check can u all report if using splitvid or not?

I also have had a good amount of my customers say they pretty much only played madden.
I must say that i think if there are poison pills, madden is definitely one of them.. but there are definitely more than one. One guy i modded only played Ace Combat 6..

yes maybe the admins can pull the usernames, or we should do a poll, thing is it might be another forum, but this one is the one with the most members so if they are matching names it would be here...


I know of a guy i modded his box about a month ago and he never uses forums and he's been playing about 6-7 hours a day all types of unstealthed games, you never know, maybe my theory might be correct since nothing else makes sense.

BANNED tonight! Played tekken 6 from hard drive,
lite-on, ixtreme 1.6. Never played any games early, as I never bought any games early!

I just turned mine on and banned. I got a 60gb Pro with a Benq, verified all my iso's with ABGX360 with level 3 set. If it didn't pass stealth, I didn't burn. I never played any Wave 4 games. I stuck with these personal rules to avoid this but somehow got banned. There's definitely something different about this ban wave and what M$ is checking for.

I personally believe they did load some bad rips or submitted some bad stealth files to abgx. ABGX needs to start only allowing trusted sources to load stealth info to their DB.

I'm all good because I'm getting a new CoD bundle in a few days But if I mod that box, I'm probably going to only rip my own games.

For now, I have the banned box to play ripped single player games and I'll use my CoD bundle to play legit multiplayer games.

P.S. I think they are cracking down on this harder to get all the modders to buy new boxes because the PS3 is finally getting some momentum. Last month's NPD's the PS3 blew the 360 out of the water in sales.

Yeah I know that the firmware is supposed to give ms want its wants to see but I thought I read somewhere that the new firmware ignores the booktype with ixtreme and boots the disks. and that maybe they could be looking at the disk booktype. I know a lot of people who have been around use pioneer drive which set the booktype on its own but there are tons of people who do not. I actually run my disks through dvdinfo pro everytime I burn one just to check the booktype as ABGX and S360X doesn't check this. Like I said before this is just something I've not heard talked about and thought it could be possible.

someone with a banned console please msg me.

i have a great social engineering hack ive used many times to "get" old RROD consoles turned into new liteon drive consoles.. but as i have not been banned i would need to just tell you how to do it and give me feedback if it works.. so someone who is banned please msg me
( no one under 30 post or joined recently F.U. MS employee's )

heres my take.i havnt logged onto live for 6 weeks cause i know im banned.i played ufc and madden patched to wave 2 cause i have old firmware.both games were made from originals but im never gonna log onto live cause i wand my hdd installs im a silver member anyways so who cares.

Now you guys are starting to see the Picture why give someone your information on a forum that's just dumb and no I don't work for M$ but if I did this site would be on the list because like I said in my tutorials type anything about hacking a 360 and this (site forum) shows up like noting, every bit of information is there to take for free along with application .bins every thing and you think M$ never had there hands on it LOL .

If the likings of a 15 year old can flash his drive anyone can do it, I did it but smarter then that not to go online. hacked drive, Pirated games like 65% of people here that's right 65% or more that are Pirates and you know who you are that got banned ok. You guys will never play online again form what I understand about a PC and the way hardware can talk to it's self. every thing can be done over a network even with out a HDD theses days fuck a 600MB CD and I can take over your PC like noting with just a Number and have full control over ever HDD in your system LOL

That's already the case, a mistake was spotted and they apologised, maybe too late for some people who knows.

ABGX is a very good tool, too many in here jumping to conclusions.

This sounds like it could be plausible, i checked all my images and there different sizes.... Just curious what is your file size in bytes?

Here's the various file sizes that i find amongst my games.

7,654,976
7,651,872
7,651,848
7,651,262 (Madden 6)
7,395,392

i just received my ban the only game i play is cod5

that doesnt make sense
at ebgames and gamestop theres no policy that says they will refuse them if there live banned (your good as long as there functional ie turn on and no red ring)
heck ive seen them do trades on red ring and even the odd completely dead console

Maybe thats the problem. Gamestop is losing revenue from the issue, and M$ is helping them out.

Nothing you said proves they aren't flagging consoles ahead of time. The system asking you to update does not prove you are not banned. Most likely one of the updates contains the ability to check games for some sort of problem that will give away that it's a burned disc. Install that update and see if you're not banned within a couple days or even hours. My theory is that they flag all these consoles but don't ban them right away. All along the console knows it's going to get banned, it's just not actively banned. Then they flip a switch, so to speak, and all the consoles that are flagged get banned at once, or possibly in batches like we've seen this time. And then they also turn off the "wait to ban" that's been on for the last few weeks or months, so that anyone that is now detected using their latest method gets banned right away instead of saving it up for later. That explains both people who haven't played any backups recently getting banned and people who just modded their consoles getting banned.

And what does playing an arcade game on Live have to do with anything?

Well, all I can say to the corrupting of saves if I play a game on a banned box with the same HDD I use for my legit box is: Screw XBL.

At least I got up to 34,000+ Gamerscore publicly. But, I am done with XBL while the threat of this corrupting of saves is still in effect.

So, basically, by doing this, they eliminate a lot of people who use banned AND legit consoles from using XBL for fear of losing hours of gameplay because a corrupted save. So, they lose the membership revenue and any sales they would get from XBLA, etc. Dumb M$, real dumb. I don't have a problem with them banning consoles. But, corrupting save files and gamertags is just malicious.

lol I really doubt ms cares how much money ebgames/gamestop loses on buying banned consoles. I went in the just yesterday and at this point you can get a refurb console with a no questions asked warrenty through gamestop for 160 or 140 without warrenty. to me 20 bucks is a no brainer for that lol.

axess68 I'm right there with you I think in the long run they are going to be shooting themselves in the foot. messing with the saves is just wrong and they already pissed off enough legit users with the memory cards being disabled, I'm sure they lost people to PS3 for that one also.

thats one way to do it
i haven't tried it (my Hitachi is still going strong )
but i know some of my friends have bought a new one at walmart (one even did it at gamestop once) everytime its worked all they had to do was swap the case so the serial matched the receipt and they were painless returns

not that id condone this cause people get touchy on the subject but its one of the only few ways to make your voice heard and fight the banning
i know walmart(atleast up here in canada) they have to return their returns to the manufacturer and then they get reimbursed/a new unit (i know most stores dont have the pull that walmart has i would feel more guilty if this happened to a small retailer that actually got hurt by it)

long story short if everyone did this then M$ would get so many returns it would be more costly to keep banning than not

That's what I'm going to do if I get banned but just burn the hell out of the chips take the new motherboard out put it in my Red xbox that got ban, then put the ban one back in the new xbox that I got from Wal-Mart and a way we go to fight with Wal-Mart

i just rememberd besides cod5 (legit) being the only game in months that has gone in my console
i did burn that activate.iso and put it in my drive
could that be how i got detected ????
still this wave may slow us down but it wont last for long

many times people here have said that if you try to connect to xbl and it asks for an update then your system isn't band. now I don't know if that's true or not but if it is then my system is not band.
I don't want to update I am saving this xbox for homebrew, if I can update and still be able to use this system for homebrew later on I would do it just to find out.
and if I have played arcade games on live with a hacked FW that's 2+ years old and MS can read drive FW then I should have been band long time a go or flaggen and band now, dont you think?

Even so, if that trend were to continue they would eventually start getting the store that accepted the return to take more precautions in accepting your "defective" XBox. I can't remember which store it was, but I returned some items to them and as part of the refund they needed my Driver's License # to issue the refund. It wouldn't take much for M$ to have their lawyers get you into big trouble. I personally wouldn't risk it.

just remember that serial number on the out side of the case is also the same serial number you can see inside the dash. so if you do this it is possible they can see this console was returned but hey this console is still online. just go to system settings or something and you can see this for yourself.

probably not a good idea in long run, but in a way would be good if for ms it was not economically viable to ban

hey thats my 100 post

I wouldn't ever try the case swap because the serial is still attached to that motherboard and could be traced if they really wanted to. What I'm talking about is a secondary no questions asked warrenty place like best buy and game stop offers for an additional fee.

OK so a week ago my modded 360 was banned. Not too big of a deal, I understood the risk. I moved my hdd from my modded 360 to my unmodded one, and started using it as my main system again, but today, my UNMODDED 360 got banned. Now this 360 has the warranty intact and has stock FW. The only thing that I can think of is my left 4 dead 2 demo. I can't download it because my account is technically a child account, I'm 17 and no M rated content can be purchased over live unless you are 18, despite M being a restriction to those below 17. So I moved it over from a friends hdd using xplorer360. The next day I was banned. I was planning on getting MW2 at midnight but now idk what to do. I might get a new box, or call MS and complain, but due to past experience I doubt they will do anything.

When i was reading the post it said it's still possible to stream media to your banned xbox? How does this work? As when i go to play a divx etc it says i need the optional media update from xbl and i tried using PS3 media server and i still need the update, any suggestions?

Serial numbers in a few places.

One the sticker on the back.
On the sticker on the cage by the usb ports.
On the motherboard
On the ring of light board

Then you have it in the software.
Might be some other places awell but cant remember.


It would be easy for ms to track it back anyway.
They can just read it stright out of the nand or match it to the mac address.
Then look it up how has registered it on xbox live.
And eather use your details there or get them from your credit card.




WMV doesnt need codec.