How long for what? Noone knows how long any of this stuff takes. For all we know, MS can detect it within 2 mins of you playing whilst connected to XBL, then just hold on to the information for the next ban wave. Additionally, not everyone is being banned but this could be more down to MS deciding who they ban each time.

Trial and Error? I'm guessing you've never worked in a problem solving environment, because randomly flashing drives and chucking in an unknown amount of discs will yield zero results. If you want to participate in a trial-and-error process, then you'd need a far more structured method.

As I said, it proves NOTHING. We already know people were banned with 1.6 firmware, with and without activate discs. All that's going to happen is get a perfectly good console banned (and crippled) from XBL. If those wanting to try this just want to send me their unbanned console, I'll happily swap it for a banned one for you. After all, this is all you're going to get out of it.

It's simple - if you want to play on XBL, DON'T MODIFY YOUR CONSOLE.

I don't want to prove something by using this fw on live. I've flashed my drive with it and wanted to check what is XBL(i didn't use it before). If MS will ban me, it's np. For me LIVE is unnecessary feature.
btw. 2nd day - still not banned.

I think our discussion is one is the same, but just from different sides of the fence I guess....
I'll try and quickly clearify what im saying from your response....

Team Jungles twitter just got updated with liteon 1.61 from c4eva with a link to download.

I don't see why you guys with banned consoles didn't just use an old non-stealth xtreme FW.
They had options for different read speeds, would boot any disc whether it had stealth or not.

This new flavour of "non stealth" ix1.6 is for those who don't want to use the activate disc to play wave 4/5 games, it still uses stealth.

I'm confused to why team jungle is releasing a new stealth ixtreme for liteons and calling it 1.61.
1.61 was updated to support wave 4 games, but it didn't like wave 5. Since this will support wave 5, it should be called 1.62.

god damn there sure are alot of dumb mother fuckers that can't comprehend why people got banned.

let's make this simple...

STEALTH FIRMWARE was detectable..

NON-STEALTH wasn't detectable..

1.6 ixtreme non-stealth doesn't do stealth checking.. if it doesn't stealth check, it doesn't register
any flagging within the Dash to then send to M$... Got it?!?!

stop asking the same god damn questions over and over.. geezus!! now I see why the Mods are
always closing threads.. all the clueless fucktards on here that can't READ.. I guess public school
education has really gone to the dogs...

^wow, you are a moron. everything you just said is wrong, quit spreading misinformation.

There is no old non-stealth firmware for lite-ons, that I know of.

ahh, true enough.. good point.

EXACTLY what I was thinking.....

well, since we're talking about people with banned consoles, it seems like the easiest thing is just to patch wave 4/5 games to wave 3.

no I'm not wrong.. I had ixtreme 1.6 on 2 consoles since it's release, the key is I NEVER went online after the recent last Dash update. After that update is when the mass ban hammer happened to a whole bunch of people.

so before I even went back online, I downgraded both consoles to 1.41 non-stealth 12x for BenQ and then went online.. I got the Dash update and game update for CODMW2 and since then NEVER have been banned.

conclusion... non-stealth firmware with stealthed media isn't detectable... `yet'...

you've made a ridiculous blanket statement that non stealth firmware is completely safe, and that stealthed firmware is completely unsafe.
you tell us the reason is because non-stealth firmware has nothing to report. you bitch at everyone that they can't read, and that we've all missed this critical bit of information (which is written nowhere else but your post).

then you back it all up, with a story about your 2 consoles.

get lost.

I'm confused to why team jungle is releasing a new stealth ixtreme for liteons and calling it 1.61.

This isnt a new ixtreme fw and it was never released for that purpose. Its just a byte hacked 1.6 version, released for the banned/offline consoles. The development of the ixtreme fw has stopped since it got detected. And there hasnt been added anything to support the wave 5 games, they just removed the stealth check. So it doesnt matter what new wave will come in the future couse this fw boots them all.

no no, there is the "non stealth" ix1.6 with built-in activate iso.

there is the new 1.61 with support for wave 4/5, it still expects strict compliance.

two different FWs.

Hi, does this work with SL xbox 360/original xbox backups?

Also what is the best version for the original liteon (cant recall specific model number)? There is the original and then a repack file.

no SL on any FW. read the thread, this is just a version of ix1.6 that works as if the activate.iso is used.

dumbass.. the activate.iso turns the stealth/wave checking off.. If the modified firmware is set as if the activate.iso is being used, then the drive powers up with essentially a non-stealth firmware.

the stealth checking code is still in the firmware but it's essentially turned off with the hex edit.

I've been around for several years on here.. this account with very little posts doesn't mean I'm a newbie..

anyone that has stealth enabled firmware on their drives and is running with the latest Dash update from early November is going to get flagged or has already been flagged for a ban..

I have yet to see ANYONE that has been running non-stealth firmware with stealthed media get banned...

no, the activate.iso disables strict compliance for stealth files, the fw will still use any stealth if present.

just stop, you are spreading bullsh|t

Your doing a lot of assuming here. Just because in your little scenario you have 2 consoles not currently banned does not mean your results are fact of the whole banning process.

There has and will always be banning from older firmwares. Just like new one's not everyone gets banned. You hear/see more about new firmware users being banned cause most people upgraded.

So calm down and stop name calling or using your opinion as fact, truth is and probably always will, we don't know the direct cause for a banning, only educated guesses.

Xtreme,Ixtreme and LT will all be detectable at some point as there are too many variations and user conditions to factor.




Although activate disc does technically enable a copy with no stealth to run.

You all are spreading bullshit.

This thread is not for discussing live safety, or rumors/speculation.
Go to the newbie section.

anyone got banned using this 1.6 non-stealth? really anyone

somehow i thing this might be safer online than 1.61 c4eva fw?
Maybe m$ checks something on dvd disc that's blocked with 1.6?

Conspiracy theories?

what?
i never posted any ban speculation or asked any questions about bannings. i've answered some questions about this fw, and gave a sensible reply to the wacko who thinks we all can't read, and that we all should know that non-stealth firmware is the safest.

No it's not safer at all. The point being it doesn't follow all original drive checks so still big risk. Get offline my advice to those online...

I did read the thread, I have never used activate.iso hence why I didnt know.

Thank you Obveron, calm down eh lads!

I have a nonbanned box with stock firmware, but I want to play my backups offline with this 1.6ns until LT comes out. Does anyone know if it is safe to flash and play ONLY offline and then flash to LT when it comes out? Or can this new update catch the change in firmware and once I connect to Live it will flag me?

This is perfect for banned 360's, or boxes that will never go online.
Not live safe, and not offline safe either, will be flagged.

1 for once I agree with you! insane! heh. But sees no real idea of the C4E has made a 1.61 when 1.6 is out and will boot all games..

So Takashi, from your understanding, is any firmware that is not xbox live safe just as not safe for using offline? I am trying to see if there is any firmware that is safe for me to play offline on while I wait for LT, or if the only safe thing right now is to just leave it be with stock fw.

Only BenQ Vad6038 iXtreme 1.41 Rev 2 non-stealth, and Samsung Xtreme 5.3a is safe at the moment.
All other firmware is not.
there is no safe lite-on firmware.

Edit: FROM MY EXPERIENCE, THIS HAS BEEN FOUND TO BE TRUE. Do what you want with my answer.

Fail there is no firmware there is 100% safe. not even my edited Rev. 3-4 are 100% safe. But rev3 should have to suffer as "secure" as rev2. And how can you say rev2 is safe :S Rev2 has a speed bug MS maybe can detect? C4E says that they maybe can detect it if you run 8X speed etc. so must the speed bug could be detect too

It's safe if you use ABGX, and your backups are ripped correctly.
Statistics gathered from my 300+ customers prove it enough for me.
Not one person running those fw's were banned. not one.
Ask other modders, same deal.

Get off my ass.

P.S. Yeah i can't understand a thing you say...

I've used REV3 in 5-6 months in 7 xbox on 7 different people and they are not been banned. I have had long rev3 just never released it because there was no need for it.
I just think that the speed bug rev2 has is a security threat if Microsoft starting to see after it

This thread isn't about your firmware.

No, you're right. But it is not about Vad6038 BenQ iXtreme 1:41 Rev 2 Non-stealth, and Samsung Xtreme 5.3a is 100% safe or not -.-

I addressed lite-ons in my post, i stayed on topic answering his question.
I mentioned other models because he didn't state what he had.

And I just replied to your misleading info. I'm out of this thread now

Thanks SS.

Takshi i would do the same. there is no need to get on here and start bitching at other members for going off-topic if you and your smart ass remarks are helping steer the thread away from the point too.

BOTTOM LINE:


iXtreme v1.6 Non-Stealth

Thank people for it, use it, have problems, questions that haven't been already answered, then POST.

I don't think either of them understood my original question. I just want to know if the update MS put out can detect firmware, i.e. 1.6ns, if I never hook it up to the internet while it is on my drive.

Edit: I understand there is no safe firmware to play on XBL... but is it just as dangerous to use any modified firmware completely offline, and return to stock when playing ONLINE? Basically, can they detect that change offline, then flag me once I connect with stock firmware.

Yes it's logged/flagged, yes. answered that already.

Quick question. With this firmware will I be able to boot up a wave 5 game i.e. Left4Dead2 with out having to use the activate ISO?


I don't plan on ever going on XBL, I'm just looking for a firmware that gets past the wave bs.

Yes.

Im having a very strange problem with this FW. It is actully, the same problem i had when using activate.iso, my system just would never read it. every disc i put in, no matter if it is wave 3, 4, or 5 still comes up "Play DVD" I was never able to use activate.iso on this system either. Is there something that I am missing about it that my system wont accept it? I know i am not alone as my friends system has the same problem? Any help?

The 360 will log all activity, both online and offline so as soon as you connect to live then the information will be sent to M$. To be safer, read the nand, mod the FW, use it offline, when you are ready to go back on line, restore the FW and rewrite the nand, that will put it back into a safe condition (do those steps in that order)

can you play any games at all?

no, not even real games will boot, every disc i put in the system the tray reads "Play DVD"

Wrong dvd key bro...If you dont have a backup of your firmware u are fucked




Is it proven that info will be logged when playing offline?

nope, its not the wrong key, cuz when i put the same key into liteon 1.6 everything else works flawlessly, except for the whole wave 4 & 5 games thing

All of the speculation over this firmware being safe on live or any current or future (LT) firmware being safe is pointless.

Even if LT is safe (assuming it is ever released) it will only be safe until MS figures out how to detect it, so technically it will not be safe. MS isn't stupid and will not allow itself to be fooled PERMANENTLY by 1 version of a custom firmware. The only way around it is new firmware constantly being released, constant updates that might even be pointless if MS can detect previous CFW on your system.

The bottom line is simple CFW will NEVER be safe on live so it is pointless to speculate. If you want CFW there is a simple solution that is cheaper than ruining a console with a ban and buying a new one, and then repeating again. Buy 2 consoles, 1 for online with original FW and 1 for offline with CFW that stays offline. If a game is good enough to be played online or if you want the DLC then just play the original disc (BUY IT!!!!!) its that simple. Christ, if the game is that good that it is worth playing online, than the $60 for it, its worth it.

Please, its common sense CFW = BAN its that simple. You might avoid a ban wave or two, but eventually MS will win. This FW is perfect for the solution I have stated, no need to update ever again just don't go on live with it... EVER


ps.
thanks to anybody who has contributed to CFW and to the scene in general.