[2010-11-14 04:01PM] <c4eva> testing code, so far so good!
[2010-11-14 04:08PM] <******> is black ops as safe as any other game before the dash update?
[2010-11-14 04:09PM] <c4eva> ******:yes
[2010-11-14 04:19PM] <***> for slim what kind of real time checks are we talking about?
[2010-11-14 04:19PM] <c4eva> ***:realtime fw check,realtime ram check!
[2010-11-14 04:25PM] <c4eva> they are checking for our code/data in drive!
[2010-11-14 XX:XXXX] <*********> c4 can we expect lt+ this side of christmas?
[2010-11-14 XX:XXXX] <c4eva> *********:yes

great work C4eva keep up the good work

what does 'this side of christmas' mean?

so is black ops ssv2 or ssv3?

jeppe777 Posted Today, 09:39 PM
what does 'this side of christmas' mean?

before cristmas


The_Doctor Posted Today, 09:41 PM
so is black ops ssv2 or ssv3?


aye belive its ssv2 as you can boot it on the latest dashboard but aye am not a 100%

Black ops worked just fine before the dashboard update and it works after the update.

This is great like news thanks brother I think it will be like 23 December 2008 with the ixtreme 1.51 for the liteon 74 ....thanks C4Eva you're a hero man

Thanks for the update. Great news.

i think they should prioritize hitachi after all its got no ap 2.5 anyway and hitachi is so hated by them so far no lt even never mind lt+, but still impressive work, im guessing they are going to prioritize the new slim code though

oh well great work anyway best off luck with it all

Yay, Good to know I was right about everything but the length of time it will take him to release LT+


I still contend that Black-Ops is AP 2.5 capable (It would be nice if there was a reliable test, as C4eva said Xex flags appear to be unreliable) Even if the TU hasn't dropped yet (it might come soon though - or maybe they're going for a mid-december ban wave this year to throw us off a bit) It would probably just flag ur box anyway (as opposed to preventing game from booting)






Brgds/Dan

Great work c4eva, but do you guys reckon we need the CK3 to flash the slim drives, being LiteOns???

I just hope that no new hardware would be involved for updating to LT+ for fat 360s.

Most likely it's going to be the same process.

So if you system has the latest FW and you are playing a real copy of the game are you in any trouble of being banned? I updated the dash but I haven't played any backups recently... Black Ops but it was a legit disc and getting NFS:HP and AC:BH tomorrow

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jeppe777 Posted Today, 09:39 PM
what does 'this side of christmas' mean?

before cristmas

does that mean for the benq and liteon to lt+ will be out before christmas

I'm wondering the following:

For example take black ops, it's SSV2. So imagine LT+ comes out.
All good we can play our backups online.
Now a few days later there is an update for black ops enabling AP25.

Does this mean we'd need to modify the image and reburn it?

Thumbs up for you Commodore4EVA! Good luck.

Yes, new 0800 and possibly new XBC as I said ages ago



No, Not likely for the slim either (Although using external power eg; CK3 mk3 or similar is strongly recommended for other reasons)

right just as i have read it there is a software method for flashing the new slim drives, which has already been confirmed,

yes every game that is capable of ss v3 could in theory recieve a title update with a new xex to add ap 2.5 to a once non ap 2.5 disk

yes if ap 2.5 is added via a title update you will eighter have to play offline with no updates or reburn with ss3 data

hopefully a "respected" member will confirm these, but im 100% sure this is the case, dispite it seems impracticle for them to get publishers to make patches to add ap 2.5 to all games since fifa 09 but i bet all the popular games will such as cod and halo and such, just to get some more flags ready for next OMG 1 billion players banned from live event lol

Where's this been confirmed?

Be careful with Black Ops guys if you're still using LT online as that is the game which they know most users will be playing right now so I wouldn't be surprised if the next update for it includes a nasty little gift from Microsoft.

My only two questions...

Can we play Black Ops and other backups that do not have AP2.5 online with the latest LT?

If I have a BenQ spoofed as a Lite-On.. how to fuck do I upgrade to LT+? Just spoof the spoofed FW with LT+?

Some knowledgable member please answer these two.. Cheers.

yes, so far you can play all non ap2.5 games with the latest LT online. (as said a couple posts above, this might change, but who knows)

afaik, ap2.5 checks for the osig, so get yourself a spare lite-on and flash it with LT+ when it comes. As already known for a long time spoofing is detectable and not recommended. If ap2.5 checks osig as well, spoofed drives will not boot that game

What if you use real game disc but have a spoofed drive? Would this be a problem?

I think so, since the osig does not match the drive

should be benQ also all the other updates talked about both slim/benQ. c4eva is pretty awesome

Quick, probably dumb question...If I am already banned, and play strictly offline, will I be affected at all by this? Will I still be able to play my backups without having to update to the new dash? I was getting ready to flash a friends box for him as well, and I just wanted to get a little clearer picture about we are looking at. Thanks in advance,

The newest games force you to update the dash by the looks of it so you've got no choice. Your AP2.5 backups then won't boot unless your original drive is Hitachi (pre 78) or Samsung as they can't handle the new checks and skip them. It's no good getting a Hitachi/Samsung and spoofing it as your Liteon/Benq as it won't work.

When LT+ comes out for the various drives later this year the AP2.5 discs will then start to work.

simple answer no. If you have to ever update the dash then you would have to do it via the update on the disc as the game would require it and would tell you and everything should be fine, that is how it has been so far.... If of course you chose not to update the dash(dunno why u would chose not to when you would have to) then of course you would have to find alternative ways/methods of running the game.

As for the newer games.....we cant play them yet until the new LT+ firmware is out

From what I've been reading the last week or two, as soon as you update to the latest dash you can be flagged for banning, regardless of booting any disc. You can check using XVal 2.0, search the forums on how to use it and where to get it.



I'm happy it should get released this side of xmas!

Where can I donate to him?

if LT+ doesn't come for Hitachi, and Hitachi 78/79 support ap2.5. <- is this a fact?

Does anyone think its likely you can spoof a Lite-on in place of the v78/79 Hitachi and pass the ap2.5 challenge with LT+ on the Lite-on?

Does the dash check which drive should be there, or does it just assume the right drive is there a send the ap2.5 challenge? is the challenge the same on all compatible drives?

So basically can you swap an ap2.5 compatible drive for a different make ap2.5 compatible drive and get away with it ?

im not sure how spoofing works ive only ever replaced faulty drives with the same make/model drives. which i assume is ok

No it probably fail the osig check ..

excuse me, I bought a new slim xbox360, 250 gb.
The new lt +, will only be available at Benq player, and then I will have to change the reader?

Well I have a lite-on drive with lt, I updated to the new dash and and you know the rest. I dont ever play on live, all I want to do is play the game. I took a Hitachi out of my old rrod its a 58/59 or whatever, I flash the lite on key to the hitachi drive and tried it in the xbox, still gets same disc read error, but the old games wave 6 and below are fine, Anyway, I know you cant get around it that way. If there is anything to do to bypass this I dont care how because I never hook to the internet. I just want something that will work.

According to C4E's first update, the dashboard update itself seems to be OK, unless I've missed something along the way.

was confirmed on here quite a while back

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=722334

and i read somewhere else that they are now using a similar method for LT/LT+ for slims as it was originally going to be a hardware mod untill this method was found

So, is there some kind of list of games with ap25?
I´ll be receiving a Kinect next week and I would like to know if the kinect games do have ap25!
I´ve been reading about Fable, AC Brotherhood and Need For Speed Hot Pursuit, but no info about the games designed to work with kinect and launched so far to have ap25!

Will you get a dirty disc error if you play the origional fable III game?

Not in my case...

Opened up my non-banned box earlier (ix1.6) to check which drive it had. It's the Hitachi 79 (fl). Updated it to new dash via Live a week ago. Was curious to see if back-up of Fable III would run and/or flag it.

Can confirm that on my Hitachi 79, running ix1.6, with the latest dash via Live, plays Fable III no problem. Came back out of Fable and ran XVAL, secdata is still clean.

So i dont Understanding, its safe to upgrade to new dashboard or not ???

update the dash it hold no bearing this is all to do with dvd firmware and games themselves

P.s i know i might get flamed with people saying if you update the dash you may get flagged if you try to run ap.25 games on a non ap2.5 compatable firmware, but the simple fact is ...dont try

then you think better wait for the new fw, to update the new dashboard ???

I have a question.... and understand I am by NO MEANS a newbie.... but this isa bit confusing even for me....

regarding the discs themselves....

If a disc (Black Ops) that was STORE BOUGHT is SSV2.... and somewhere down the line there is a title update from MS enabling AP25..... this update would be stored on the hard drive as there is NO WAY (as far as I know) for an UPDATE from MS to MODIFY a READ ONLY disc to now have SSV3 on the disc itself..... so if I then take that same disc and place it in a console that did not have this AP25 Update that disc would then revert back to its original SSV2 state.....

Sooooooooo........ wouldnt the same hold true for a Backup of the same game?

Isnt a disc that is SSV2 to begin with ALWAYS going to be SSV2?

Isnt AP25 a Challenge/Response system against the Drive?

Maybe Im missing something here.

what is the connection between SSV2, SSV3 and AP25?

And Finally Is the New ABGX a reliable AP25 check...Ive re-checked a few games and The SIMS 3 doesnt show as AP25 (as reported) Neither Does Black Ops but Fable III and NFS Hot Pursuit DO show as "AntiPiracy25 Media" ....Should we Assume that any iso that "Accesses Personally Identifiable Information PII" are AP25 aware/capable.... or are ALL titles AP25 aware/capable?

right from what i have read ssv3 has actually been stored on the retail disks since fifa 09 c4e and others where well aware of the existance of the ssv3 data BUT MS had not included any ap 2.5 enforcement, i can only imagine this was because the new checks where in testing stages to prevent accidental bans. now the practical side of it is the game xex itself defines if the ap2.5 checks should be done ( i.e compatability flags)
so if a new title update updates the xex to only boot from ap2.5 disks burnt disks would now not boot as they would fail ap 2.5 ofcourse this is all dependant on you actually installing the title update and removing the update from the hard drive would return the game to ap 2.

but you need the latest update to play on live with any game
and you would also run the risk of getting flagged for failing the check

all i get from all this is to be cautious acepting any new title updates....especially if its for no reason and also consider not using any know ap 2.5 games for the mean time , im also wanting to know if there is any definitive ways to check for ap 2.5 within xex files themselves not just going off a list of know ap 2.5 games as i want to be sure they can indeed enable the checks with a title update

i'm not entirely familiar with all the lingo, but i've modded my unit 2x and haven't had any issues. does a new LT+ coming out mean that the flashing procedure has to be done again? I just re-flashed it about 6 months ago so hoping there is an easier fix. i'm not looking to play online, just want to play the games....looking forward to being able to play AC:BH in the very near future.

nevermind when the LT+ will be released (in its own due time) but is it gonna be free or like we had a while ago with someone trying to milk it for keys?

Either way it will be free eventually. The person who deciphered what was necessary for LT to operate was used to confirm another groups work. Another group encoded a message then sent it to him and he returned it back to them decrypted and the same message as before

It will be free one way or another.

just a quick question, when replacing say a liteon drive can it be with any other liteon drive or has to be the exact same liteon revision? Under the new dashboard since we can no longer spoof, thanks.

You'd need the same revision seeing as the strings are different, I would imagine

Man I hope I dont have to buy another probe. I just got the probe 2 in the mail a couple of days ago.

Keep up the good work.

No, any lite on will do fine.
Since you can't spoof liteons, you flash the complete firmware of the drive