Dae.bin Has Changed in Xbox 360 Fall 2011 Preview Dash Posted by XanTium | November 11 00:15 EST | News Category: Xbox360

From c4evaspeaks.com: [QUOTE] We’ve confirmed that the dae.bin has changed in the new Xbox 360 Fall 2011 Preview Dash (2.0.14686.0). c4eva has reported to the team that XGD2 and XGD3 backups are still booting under LT+ v2.0/2.01 (from team channel: [2011-11-10 08:58PM UTC] [c4eva] backups,xgd3 still booting). However, do not take this as a sign that everything is fine. Booting backups with older AP25 replay sectors on 14686 may get you flagged. Don’t say we didn’t warn you! We can confirm though that these changes will indeed necessitate new versions of and/or changes to Xbox Backup Creator, abgx360, and several other associated tools. It has also been confirmed by the team that drive fw’s are not affected. All the changes are currently being analyzed, and we’ll continue to update this post when further details become available. [/QUOTE] News-Source: c4evaspeaks.com

Any idea when the new dash is gonna be released?

So all the games with ap25 are going to have to be reburned with the new dae.bin?

That's what we normally have to go through.... so I guess that's a yeah...

I wish there would be a firmware to bypass AP25 fully and be offline... yes.. no LIVE!!!

Yea the beta register tool, checks the security files, lawl.

i tried booting 2 back-ups and got disk unsuported, damn you microsoft flags

all backups even xgd3 burner max backups booting on my non ap25 sammy with no flags

so even, xbg3 rips need to be reburned also?

hmm strange, the 2 rips that were unsupported last night on my xbox after preview update, are supported today and running fine. now that is a strange one, unless the checks change everyday, like a rotating ap.25 file??

beta sign tool prob report modded firmware

I did read somewhere that MS has the ability to change the dae.bin values on the fly if they wanted too. After reading you post, it seems to be the fact.

Sounds like reset glitch hack to me . I would recommend this to everyone who dont use live.

yup rsg/jtag and then never have to give a damn about firmware, flags, burning discs etc so much easier

So is all xgd3 games ap 2.5 by defualt? Is there a list of upadted ap2.5 games online?
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Am...cF9JSWs3VmhBNXc

what about CB ? still the same or 02 line fuses burned ?

so if i have an offline xbox and it gets flagged, what happens? Nothing until you sign on to live?

Guess I might have to look into RGH or one of those xk3ys.

If your box is flagged it wont necessary be a ban. Probably depends on how many times it happens because it is possible for legit games to give a false positive. Though they probably look for people who are unfamiliar with firmware and all the updates that happen. These would be people who don't reburn their copies of AP25 games and continue to try the game over and over getting flagged each time because they don't understand why their game is saying unsupported disc.

If you were to go with RGH or xk3ys it would probably be cheaper to go RGH, but only if you have all the equipment, but in the end it would probably be cheaper to have someone do it for you below $100 for someone else to do the RGH + cost of chip. If you don't have your own equipment the RGH hack would probably cost you $25 for the chip, you need a programmer for your nand and possibly to program your RGH chip as well, the programmer for the nand could be anywhere from $20-50 and you could probably get or make one to program the RGH chip for like $5-15 and then you need a soldering iron and solder and other such supplies.

In the end you get more out of the RGH and the xk3y is gonna cost you over $100 and not give you the same functionality the RGH would give.

A friend of mine booted assassins creed (not the new one, last novembers?) and he didnt have the new firmware. Obviously this flagged his system.

However, he still can go online and play. BUT he cant use his profile in other systems as it says its currupt.

That's what happens when your console is flagged, saves and profiles signed by that console will only work on that console from now on.

I don't get it...for those of us who ripped our own bought game does that mean we have to re-rip and then insert a new dae? Since I thought the rip I did on my own FM4 was 1:1. Wasn't it?

Just a few games are worthy to play on Live, it really does not make any sense anymore to have just one console for "everything"; play your backups only in an offline console and original ones in a "Live" console. Your life will be much easier

So glad I did the rgh to my falcon.

No surprise here. This kind of change is pretty much expected with a dash update. Thanks for the heads up though.

I don't understad, so we don't have to update our firmware but we have re-burn all ap 2.5 & xgd3 games? Or just ap 2.5 games, or just xgd3 games? Or neither? Does anyone know for sure, I really don't care as I get discs for less then $1/each, so even if I have to burn the same game 10x, it really wouldn't bother me.

couldn't agree more

Why would anyone go through all that trouble, I think in a coupla months backups will be absolete, atleast for the real gamers. RGH/xkey is the way to go. Seriously how many times this year have you people updated and reburned all your games? no worth the hassle. Burned games are the thing of the past. it was nice being able to play backups, until jtag/rgh/xkey came out, now its just too much hassle.

People go through the trouble because most people want to be able to play their backups online, jtag/rgh/xkey cannot do this (play online), that is why!

Does anyone know if this will affect Hitachi drives since ap2.5 didn't have have an affect on them?

Correct, most Hitachi drives aren't capable of reading ap2.5. If you have one of those then you are fine.

You don't have to update the firmware on the 360. But if you want to play on XBOX Live! then you have to update the firmware. Now sometimes when a new Dashboard/Firmware gets released it includes a new dae.bin file. This file contains the new AP2.5 challenge/responses. This means all AP2.5 Games need to be re-burned with the new responses. I should note here that AP2.5 Games are not true 1:1 backups. We just don't have the space to fit all the responses on a burned discs. There are far to many of them. I find it very funny that people act all surprised when they have to burn AP2.5 Games again. This has happened several times already. Its not anything new.

I was thinking in the future it would be nice if we could dump all the responses for a game to a txt file. Then when a new dashboard comes out with a new dae.bin file. We could then use the new dae.bin and the txt to re-patch the Game's ISO. This way we wouldn't have to rely on others to re-dump the AP2.5 data from a retail disc and provide them for us. Granted I don't fully know all the details of AP2.5. This txt file could be really huge in size for all I know.

Rips are never 1:1, due to differing manufacturing processes of consumer and retail discs.

Ok I get it, only considered 1:1 until a new DAE.BIN shows up.

No, they're never, ever, in any circumstances considered 1:1. The data on the disc is all ripped, but the discs are not exact copies. Consumer recordable media is done with dye. Retail media is done by laser etching. The laser-etched discs have angles, while the dye does not. Thus, backup media are not exact replicas of the retail media.

was able to play mw3 and skyrim no problem today...

... just installed the new beta dash a moment ago, and was able to install skyrim to HDD as normal, but not play it "unsupported" and mw3 is also "unsupported" shows the games in the tray, but will not play. B***ards.

really odd way this time, like its still flashed due to showing the title in tray, but not letting me play.

Another point, if it was 1:1 - you wouldn't need to modify the 360 in any way.

By the reports it seems like MS finally got the 'keyrolling' working in some fashion without modifying the drive's firmware.

Does being connected or disconnected from LIVE affect anything?

Isn't it time we all gave up?
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Muh Hu HAhahahaha...

You have no idea how AP2.5 works.

It is a physical measurement of angles of where certain data is stored on a disk relative to other data. The challenge\response isn't some cryptographic secret code, it's simply the physical measurment. It would be impossible to store this data on the disk, or in a text file as it would take thousands of terrabytes...PER DISK!



You're using a crappy truncated burnt iso. Best give that information before misleading people there is a "problem".

Does this mean that an entirely different retail rip will be needed for dashboard 14686? If they have to change how XBC works, then it might mean that more than just the AP2.5 data has changed. It sounds like it might not be as simple as patching new AP2.5 data into existing ISOs with ABGX360 (which still hasn't been updated for XGD3 atm) and reburning like usual. If changes were made, I wonder if they were made to XGD2 games with AP2.5 as well as XGD3 games.

Any thoughts?

I dont think there has been any reports of bans from people using an xkey online yet.

No it doesn't, where on earth did you get that idea?

EVERYONE CALM DOWN

1st) This is almost no different then every other time a new dash comes out with different AP2.5 data with the need for re-burning backups with proper info, many of you should expect this by now as we've gone through this how many times already.

2nd) Why would you opt to put a beta update on your flashed machine when you know almost every past update they have changed AP25 data as well as other hidden items and wonder why backups won't boot.

3rd) Everyone who's jumping the gun thinking this is a bad thing needs to remember that XBC isn't even fully done yet as the current version of XBC still can't burn XGD3 discs , and we are still waiting for a new ABGX beyond this new change.

Everyone take a pill or smoke somthing and relax!!! people are working on it and jumping to speculation is just going to put out bad information when we have no real facts yet other then a DAE table change and C4E saying we will need some new software



According to C4E he claims he knows of 2 already being banned using xkey

So what I get from that is I won't have to reburn all these XGD3 discs I burnt for my kids because I bought the iHas burner and Verbs and did it right to begin with?

I don't mind reburning them after patching them but it'd be nice to not have to with my 100% verified burns.
Knowing my luck, probably will have to anyway for the new ap2.5 data lol.

I don't know. Maybe I am misinterpreting the sentence. But if this were just like the previous dashboard updates where the dae.bin was updated, the sentence I quoted would not be in the announcement and we would go about patching our ISOs with new AP2.5 data and reburning as normal. I'm hoping bubbafett4hire is right about how this is like any other dashboard update where the dae.bin was changed. We'll see.

I agree that we probably should wait for more info instead of speculating.

The master discs are produced using various laser methods. Retail discs are pressed/stamped from this master.

The result is the same of course, i.e. the pits having angles which cannot be reproduced on recordable media.

I think there's a general confusion regarding how AP2.5, and more specifically, how it translates to the end-user. I will admit, I am amongst the confused, and I will try and ask some direct questions, if anyone cares to field them:

1. Is the AP2.5 data only physical angle measurements, or is there other data as well?
   
2. If the physical disc does not change, why does the measurement?
3. Have these 'angle measurements' potentially limited dvd performance (ie: increased load times to stop and measure)?
4. Are there still only 6 titles who's AP2.5 data has been activated?

I was wondering the same thing, is their still only 6 AP2.5 games, also does any of the new XGD3 games even have AP2.5? I'm assuming they do, because I believe all games have it but MS only activated it on those 6 games (so far anyhow), does anyone know for sure if any of the new XGD3 games have AP2.5 activated yet?

I have a suggestion:

Calculating the angle from two different sectors in the disk will be practically infinite. But save the coordinates of every sector in the disk not. two doubles per every sector. With that information, it'll be possible to replay every angle. The storage needed will be ~1/128 the size of the DVD without compression.

And If the XBOX 360 DVD ROM is only capable of reading angles between sectors, and not positions, it's also possible mathematically (I Think) deduce the positions, from angle differences.

I believe that all of the XGD3 titles use it. For some reason it never really took off for XGD2, never could quite understand the MS strategy on that actually.

This is going to be a silly question, but I'm a noob at this, so please enlighten me. My DVD drive is currently a liteon. Could I just buy a samsung 360 drive like this one Samsung drive and just put that in my 360, flash it to LT 2.0, and not have to worry about reburning games again? Thanks.

No. If your keyvault calls for a drive which supports AP2.5, you cannot get a drive which doesn't support AP2.5 and replace it. If you try that, the checks will just fail.