I do not know about you But that 2 year rule reguarding Metal Slug 4,Kof 2k2,Matrimelee is wrong

King of Fighters 2001 came out in march of 2002 In the Arcade
Metal Slug 4 came out febuary 2002 In arcade
Rage Of Dragons Came out July 2002 In arcade
King Of Fighters 2002 came out October 2002 in arcade

Matrimelee Came out March 2003 in arcade

My point Is KOF2k1 should be left out as it Is newer then Metal Slug 4

Metal Slug 5 comes out next month on Neo MVS format which they have changed TO Jamma PCB hardware.

I own every single neo geo game on NEO MVS including Snk Vs Capcom And will tell you there is no Market for Rage Of The Dragons,Matrimelee and Metal Slug 4

You can not even give Rage Of The Dragons Kits away for 50 bucks these days.

If you must exclude Metal Slug 4 I ask that you remove King Of Fighters 2001 as it Is A newer title then the previouse game.

I know roms are wrong and so Is Piracy But get the 2 year rule right if you are going to enforce it.

Also I believe people who own The actual game carts should be able to emulate any game they want no matter how recent.

Yeah, but the author of kawaks put restrictions on what you can play with it.
And you have to live with it, or program your damn emulator.
I don't understand what's all the fucking bitching about.

Someone GAVE you a FREE emulator to let you do cool things, and you morons start bitching, "Well thanks for the emu and all, I do appreciate it, but FUCK YOU for not letting me play game X or game Y.".

Get a life, go play it elsewhere, or go play something different, and someday, you will be able to play it here.

Japhei: Sorry about lashing out at you, it's not just directed at you, but at all the bitching there's been going on in the past few days for this.

I for one am ecstatic at playing the neogeo/cps1/cps2 games that the emu already supports and am hoping you guys won't kill another cool project like I've seen so many others in the past.

QUOTE (Japhei @ Jul 31 2003, 06:55 PM)

I own every single neo geo game on NEO MVS including Snk Vs Capcom

Yeah, fucking right.

And Metal Slug 4 came out in June, 2002.

Metal slug 4 came out in June 24th 2002 On neo Geo home

Im stating the ARCADE RELEASE DATE OF FEBUARY 2002

Which is what this 2 year rule is based on 2 years

Im not bitching because I get to play these games reguardless On my NEO GEO MVS 6 SLOT ARCADE MACHINE or MY XBOX!

I just think that all emulators should be open ended as you see the Gba Emus dont lock out any of the newer games.

Just trying to point out some facts thats all.

I look forward for More Kawa-X release and hope in the future they officially add the ability to play the NEWER neo geo titles.

Now if only someone would fix these damn 64 emus )

When Iriez deletes threads and "enforces" that, he's not doing it by himself because "he wanted to". Mr.K asked him to do so, and he just complies with that. You're asking for the wrong person... contact Mr.K.

Oh, btw... to all suckers attacking Iriez personally because he deletes those posts: he's doing what the author asked. You're attacking the wrong person... why don't you go and say all that to Mr.K? One thing I know is that once a kid realizes he doesn't have a point, he starts attacking personally the ones that proved him wrong. I had a good laugh when I saw that guy telling lantus (or lantis? ) to screw himself and telling all developers he didn't need 'em. Way to go, moron.

(talking about the xboxhacker.net incident)

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I own every single neo geo game on NEO MVS including Snk Vs Capcom...

Oh really.

Would you mind posting a pic of your SNK vs. Capcom MVS cart? Maybe put a post-it note on there that has your screen name from X-S on it?

It's free, dont complain. Just be glad were getting all this, these programmers don't make a cent from their services. All that they get is bizotching. If you want a neogeo emulator to support game so and so program your own. =/ I don't get people

Also I would like to add

If it was not for Mame or Neo Rage X,Kawaks etc I would not be into the arcade scene as hard as I am now.

Because of emulators I have a career as a Arcade distributor Selling hundreds of Arcade pcbs I used to play roms of every day.

Yeah I can play them on The XBOX but who cares for that when you can Play them the way they were meant to be played

Right now I have 5 arcade machines In my room and All of the games I own I can play on Xbox or some other home console.But I keep buying the PCBS because I respect the work the companies put into these games.

Emulators are actually used by some Arcade operators to see if the game is worth the purchase.

Without them I would not have ESPrade in my arcade cabinet right now

Or Mark of wolves,Blazing Star,Metal Slug 1-4 in my neo cab

Shit even Dreamcast piracy sucked me in where I started collecting authentic Dreamcast imports and pretty soon I moved onto the Mother of the Dreamcast Sega Naomi

Piracy is bad if used wrongly but it helps get some games exposure

In some cases Companies Encourage piracy Including SnkPlaymore who Allows people to post about roms on Neo-Geo.com

It exposes games that would otherwise be forgotten

Thank god for emulation!

Why attention Iriez surely it should be attention author of Kawa-x Mhz.


It doesn't matter when arcade machines were released it's up to the author to decide and her doesn't have to justify himself to you. Congrats you own all the games for neo geo so why the hell are you so bothered about the xbox emu.

And Metal slug 4 is over £150 on ebay and has not yet been superseeded where as KOF 2001 has.
Metal slug 5 looks good but I think when I've finished metal slug 1-3 including X (Or 2 remix) I'll probably of had enough scrolling 2d shooters to last me a lifetime.

QUOTE (mr jones @ Jul 31 2003, 07:13 PM)

QUOTE I own every single neo geo game on NEO MVS including Snk Vs Capcom... Oh really. Would you mind posting a pic of your SNK vs. Capcom MVS cart? Maybe put a post-it note on there that has your screen name from X-S on it?

There is no MVS cart of Snk VS capcom

It is a Jamma pcb board

Piracy killed the mvs cart

QUOTE (desertboy @ Jul 31 2003, 07:19 PM)

Why attention Iriez surely it should be attention author of Kawa-x Mhz. It doesn't matter when arcade machines were released it's up to the author to decide and her doesn't have to justify himself to you. Congrats you own all the games for neo geo so why the hell are you so bothered about the xbox emu. And Metal slug 4 is over £150 on ebay and has not yet been superseeded where as KOF 2001 has. Metal slug 5 looks good but I think when I've finished metal slug 1-3 including X (Or 2 remix) I'll probably of had enough scrolling 2d shooters to last me a lifetime.

I can get Metal SLug 4 on Neo MVS for 70 dollars a cart all day long

Metal slug 4 is 230 US on Neo Home cart

Also In case you did not know neo geo is a Niche home system with less then 1 million owners world wide who do not even know new games are being produced.

Its kind of like a sad little spoiled kids collector market now full of fat losers with no friends and guys who beat their dick to hentai.

I however am a ARCADE GAMER and could care less about manuals inserts and ART

I just want the game and thats how most of you all are to.

I played All the NEW NEO GAMES ON MY XBOX already and its no big whoop people are finding ways all the time.

Also I was not calling out Iriez I was only stating that kof 2k1 is a new game also

should only be 1 year limit, but the maker of kawa-x made it 2 years. So u have to respect that

at the end of day there only 6 month to go then it will be supported

QUOTE (Japhei @ Jul 31 2003, 07:23 PM)

QUOTE (desertboy @ Jul 31 2003, 07:19 PM) Why attention Iriez surely it should be attention author of Kawa-x Mhz. It doesn't matter when arcade machines were released it's up to the author to decide and her doesn't have to justify himself to you. Congrats you own all the games for neo geo so why the hell are you so bothered about the xbox emu. And Metal slug 4 is over £150 on ebay and has not yet been superseeded where as KOF 2001 has. Metal slug 5 looks good but I think when I've finished metal slug 1-3 including X (Or 2 remix) I'll probably of had enough scrolling 2d shooters to last me a lifetime. I can get Metal SLug 4 on Neo MVS for 70 dollars a cart all day long Metal slug 4 is 230 US on Neo Home cart Also In case you did not know neo geo is a Niche home system with less then 1 million owners world wide who do not even know new games are being produced. Its kind of like a sad little spoiled kids collector market now full of fat losers with no friends and guys who beat their dick to hentai. I however am a ARCADE GAMER and could care less about manuals inserts and ART I just want the game and thats how most of you all are to. I played All the NEW NEO GAMES ON MY XBOX already and its no big whoop people are finding ways all the time. Also I was not calling out Iriez I was only stating that kof 2k1 is a new game also

Where can you get metal slug 4 for $70 PM me a line I wanna buy it will it work with
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...2&category=3945

I assume it would but I'm a neo geo virgin but I'm seriously considering buying this board and taking it from there.


And yes I know this is only a MB but I don't believe I'd have much trouble getting it going know a cheap place in huddersfield for dead arcade units.

QUOTE (Japhei @ Jul 31 2003, 02:18 PM)

Also I would like to add If it was not for Mame or Neo Rage X,Kawaks etc I would not be into the arcade scene as hard as I am now....blah blah blah....

Whatever.

Listen. Many users will let you know that I'm generally a pretty mellow person, who doesn't get as confrontational as I'm about to get with you now...

...but what you are doing is clearly in bad form. In less than 3 of the total posts you've made while being a user of this board, you've started an unnecessary conflict about an already touchy subject in this forum. You've boasted about owning games that I truly don't believe you have, arcade distributer or not. Its one thing to own Esp Ra De, which can be attained for around $400, depending where you go. Its a different thing entirely to claim to own a game that is still being sold by playmore for $1000+ dollars. I'd still like to see that (edit) pcb board cart that you say that you own.

And then finally, in a silly act of hypocrisy, you say something along the lines of "Oh, and if it wasn't for piracy and emulation, I wouldn't be where I am today!" That's just great.

I met alot of folks who gave off that type of aloofness at neo-geo.com, which is why I don't go there anymore. It almost destroyed my interest in the console. If it wasn't for a couple of the cool members there that I know personally, I would have thought that all Neo folks were elitist bastards who couldn't feel good about themselves, without mentioning how much game software they've plunked thousands of dollars into.

Please don't bring that here.

Iriez when are you going to throw this in the garbage?

Man I think either side of this argument is ridiculous. I mean stealing is stealing, technically you playing fatal fury 1 is stealing if you don't own the rom.

The author of the Emu put a lock on a few games... and wile I would love to play them he took out support, if you really want to play them that bad look around the net I'm sure you can find a way to run it.

but all this flaming back and forth is stupid.

Honestly do you guys who are all adamant about not running kof2k2 Mslug4 and ROTD think you're respecting SNK, when you're playing kof2k1?

Get real...

the bottom line is that Iriez Doesn't want this stuff posted... I'm sure there are some other message boards that don't mind... go there if you neeeed to talk about running kof2k2 so bad.

For those of you that are unaware as to who Japhei is:

HE SELLS BOOTLEG ARCADE GAMES FOR A LIVING.

Just go to the www.neo-geo.com forums and see for yourself.

QUOTE (desertboy @ Jul 31 2003, 07:32 PM)

Where can you get metal slug 4 for $70 PM me a line I wanna buy it will it work with http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...2&category=3945 I assume it would but I'm a neo geo virgin but I'm seriously considering buying this board and taking it from there. And yes I know this is only a MB but I don't believe I'd have much trouble getting it going know a cheap place in huddersfield for dead arcade units.

Hey give me the details on this place to get broken cabinets will you? I'm in Leeds which aint too far away and i would like to look into this Where abouts you from?

This is one convoluted thread.

Firstly, the original poster's point is...

If Iriez is going to be such a Soup Nazi about the 2 year rule, he should at the very least follow the rule precisely. It's as simple as that.

Secondly, how Japhei makes his living is personal information that's better left unsaid here. Divulging personal information on a messageboard is bad nettiquite, regardless of the subject matter.

Personally, I think Iriez hasn't replied because it's not worth his time, his plight against the purveyors is never ending on an emulation board.

The very essence of emulation as a whole is a huge legal grey zone...

QUOTE (Japhei @ Jul 31 2003, 06:55 PM)

I do not know about you But that 2 year rule reguarding Metal Slug 4,Kof 2k2,Matrimelee is wrong King of Fighters 2001 came out in march of 2002 In the Arcade Metal Slug 4 came out febuary 2002 In arcade Rage Of Dragons Came out July 2002 In arcade King Of Fighters 2002 came out October 2002 in arcade Matrimelee Came out March 2003 in arcade My point Is KOF2k1 should be left out as it Is newer then Metal Slug 4 Metal Slug 5 comes out next month on Neo MVS format which they have changed TO Jamma PCB hardware. I own every single neo geo game on NEO MVS including Snk Vs Capcom And will tell you there is no Market for Rage Of The Dragons,Matrimelee and Metal Slug 4 You can not even give Rage Of The Dragons Kits away for 50 bucks these days. If you must exclude Metal Slug 4 I ask that you remove King Of Fighters 2001 as it Is A newer title then the previouse game. I know roms are wrong and so Is Piracy But get the 2 year rule right if you are going to enforce it. Also I believe people who own The actual game carts should be able to emulate any game they want no matter how recent.

Hi Japhei! Sell any booty Midway PCB boards lately?

Gentlemen, Japhei is a well known scammer over at ng.com. Don't take his word at any kind of value.

heh, man those comments on japhei are fantastic. guy sounds like a real scumbag. i guess he can buy all the "original" neogeo games he wants considering he's probably ripped people off for tons more.

QUOTE (x999x @ Jul 31 2003, 02:49 PM)

If Iriez is going to be such a Soup Nazi about the 2 year rule, he should at the very least follow the rule precisely. It's as simple as that.

OK, Things are way off track. Iriez has NOTHING to do with which roms these emulators support. It is up to the author of the emulator. From what everyone's read, the rule is "2 years". This doesn't mean two years to the date. It could be whatever they'd like it to be.

Please do not use the logic of OMG ITS BEEN TWO YEARZZ!1!!1!

--falz

QUOTE (falz @ Jul 31 2003, 11:51 PM)

QUOTE (x999x @ Jul 31 2003, 02:49 PM) If Iriez is going to be such a Soup Nazi about the 2 year rule, he should at the very least follow the rule precisely. It's as simple as that. OK, Things are way off track. Iriez has NOTHING to do with which roms these emulators support. It is up to the author of the emulator. From what everyone's read, the rule is "2 years". This doesn't mean two years to the date. It could be whatever they'd like it to be. Please do not use the logic of OMG ITS BEEN TWO YEARZZ!1!!1! --falz

Please don't minsconstrue my posts...

I pointed out that to play by the rules, you must also abide by them. Japhei has stated that KOF2k1 is in fact, not older than two years yet, therefore it should be added to the list of games not spoken here.

It's redundant to say that only the author has control over which roms his emu can play, that's not the issue. However as a board mod, it is Iriez' business to discourage people from talking about banned games as exemplified with his KOF2k2 and MS4 sticky...

I hope this clarifies things for you because OMG IT HASN'T BEEN TWO YEARZZZ!!!111

x999x

Stop your crying and go play MetalSlug 5!

I for one applaud MHz for combining brilliant programming and a great sense of morales. I haven't seen someone actually do something like this yet. This was what I started the whole emulation debate about. He realized that has to be a limit somewhere to what we can emulate. Not a technical limit, but a morale limit.

QUOTE (RayTwoOneThree @ Aug 1 2003, 12:30 AM)

Stop your crying and go play MetalSlug 5!

I can't I'm busy playing 4!!!!

A big ironic LOL!!!!

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I do not know about you But that 2 year rule reguarding Metal Slug 4,Kof 2k2,Matrimelee is wrong

First of all guys, i didnt write this emulator. I wish i was that good, but im a ant compared to the skills involved. Next time dont adress me.

With that said..

MHz has never said he goes by the 2 year rule. The MAME team does 2 years .. not all the authors have the same strict guideline. You'll have to wait for future updates on him to clarify his ethical standards on the situation.

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Iriez when are you going to throw this in the garbage?

Despite what alot of kids think, im not some evil nazi that wont let you speak your mind. The only things i am going to delete are things that refer to how to "hack kawa-x" or "how to play ROTD, kof2002", etc, and things that break the forum rules. Theres not any flaming going on here, and theres no harmful material, so theres no reason to delete it. People that post in other forums that im deleting threads left and right are just bullshitters who like to exaggerate to make a point that they feel for some odd reason is important.

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Honestly do you guys who are all adamant about not running kof2k2 Mslug4 and ROTD think you're respecting SNK, when you're playing kof2k1?

The main point is to respect the kawa-x author. His personal moral standards and how he wants to give his respects to SNK or any other software company are his own. Its alot better to create a timeline than to not. A nickle is always worth more than nothing.

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the bottom line is that Iriez Doesn't want this stuff posted

Theres nothing harmful in this thread so i could care less whether its posted or not. Carry on.

QUOTE

If Iriez is going to be such a Soup Nazi about the 2 year rule, he should at the very least follow the rule precisely. It's as simple as that.

Why are you even speaking my name? You act like i made kawa-x. If you wish to call MHz a soup nazi, feel free too...but i would advise against doing so until you know his personal standard before you make leaps and assumptions based on other forum members opinions.

I'm surprised any of the hypocrites who have a problem with this are still complaining. Let's face it, they lost. Everybody who wanted to do this has done it and aren't even LOOKING at the neogeo emulator anymore.

QUOTE (Japhei @ Jul 31 2003, 07:23 PM)

Also In case you did not know neo geo is a Niche home system with less then 1 million owners world wide who do not even know new games are being produced. Its kind of like a sad little spoiled kids collector market now full of fat losers with no friends and guys who beat their dick to hentai.

I guess im one of these Million owners in the world and I know exactly what is available for my home system and I love every minute I played with it and still do.

Im not rich so i dont own every single Neo-Geo Home Cart available but i wish i did.....

and to your description of all of us Home System owners..........Hentai doesnt do it for me man, i need good old fashion Real people porn. Oh yeah, I have friends too!!!

So get your facts straight and stop droppin all us million Home AES owners in the same pool!

Ireiz I agree with you 1000%

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Theres nothing harmful in this thread so i could care less whether its posted or not. Carry on.

I was saying you didn't want any posting about how to run Mslug4 and Kof2002.

QUOTE

The main point is to respect the kawa-x author. His personal moral standards and how he wants to give his respects to SNK or any other software company are his own. Its alot better to create a timeline than to not. A nickle is always worth more than nothing.

I totally agree it’s the authors purgative to include and exclude what ever he wants. What I’m saying is that some people keep tossing that word "respect" and "moral" around c'mon guys if you don't own the rom and you play, I don’t care what year it came out you're stealing. I’m not saying I condone or disapprove, but lets call a spade a spade…

Just thought I’d clarify.

Good responses Iriez

Well, Well, Well,

Looks like you guys have inherited our former problem. Japhei used to be a member at neo-geo.com. He has several aliases that he sells under...Japhei, Neotokyobikerkid, Carole's Collectibles (This is his mothers Ebay account that he sometimes uses) and many others. He is a dealer in bootleg MVS and PCB's. He has had accounts banned at NG.com and he just makes new accounts with different names. He is not only a pain in the ass, he is also a persistent little theif. I am sorry for spamming your boards, but I feel I must warn you. If you go to www.neo-geo.com, you can enter Japhei into the search engine and you will find SEVERAL topics concerning him. Deal with him if you must, but I STRONGLY SUGGEST you at least go there and read up on him first. Good luck to you all. I have a XBOX. I think I will frequent these boards more often.

NEO GAMER X

QUOTE (enigmatl @ Jul 31 2003, 06:46 PM)

I'm surprised any of the hypocrites who have a problem with this are still complaining. Let's face it, they lost. Everybody who wanted to do this has done it and aren't even LOOKING at the neogeo emulator anymore.

Its funny how you make this into a win or lose situation. It shows you care a little too much.

The real point is that everyone won, because everyone now has access to a awesome cps 1/2 / neogeo emulator on the xbox. No ones going to lose until MHz stops releasing beta's to the public because children like you "dont give a fuck" and disrespect him. But thats fine to me, i'll still get builds = )

PS- My little bro's and sister have been playing metal slug nonstop since this was released, aswell as probably the 3,000 people who downloaded it from xbins.

Just because you dont play it doesnt mean everyone else on this earth doesnt. You think quite highly of yourself Mr "I speak for the scene"

yeah thats true, everyone wins until Mhz stops making builds at which point everyone loses because of the few disrespectful assfucks who assume that theyre speaking for the whole scene with they're childish bullshit

Respect the author (Mhz), respect what he respects (SNK/NeoGeo) and it'll keep everyone happy - and just wait out the 6 months or so until metal slug 4 hits the 2 year mark. if Mhz stops we would be able to hack through kof2002 & ms4 now, but that'll be it - for a long long time

QUOTE (Iriez @ Aug 1 2003, 01:24 AM)

[QUOTE=enigmatl,Jul 31 2003, 06:46 PM] The real point is that everyone won, because everyone now has access to a awesome cps 1/2 / neogeo emulator on the xbox. No ones going to lose until MHz stops releasing beta's to the public because children like you "dont give a fuck" and disrespect him. But thats fine to me, i'll still get builds = ) PS- My little bro's and sister have been playing metal slug nonstop since this was released, aswell as probably the 3,000 people who downloaded it from xbins. Just because you dont play it doesnt mean everyone else on this earth doesnt. You think quite highly of yourself Mr "I speak for the scene"

[SIZE=1]No everybody won because everybody has by now played all these new roms and mhz probably doesn't care. Let's face it, he hasn't said a word publically about it. Only people like Iriez has. There's been no mention in nfos, nothing saying "don't play these other roms" NOTHING. Perhaps for courtesy sake, he didn't put support in for these games for the public but maybe, just maybe (speculation) a few of his friends get a copy with the games enabled and perhaps Iriez and the likes are pissed because their copy isn't special anymore. I dono. Can't think of any other reason why they're so bitter that everybody has played these roms. Mhz doesn't care.

And Iriez, for the 15 millionth time both on this forum and other forums, read this carefully so I don't have to repeat myself, And DON'T IGNORE IT this time unless what I've said before is true.

If you are so tight with MHZ and if MHZ is so upset about Kawa-x playing these new roms on the xbox of [by now] everybody who is even half-interested in doing so, for once LET THE GUY SPEAK. Let him come into these forums and let him speak his mind about how he for some odd reason has a problem with people doing this. No fake IRC copy/pastes. I can make nice ones in notepad. And yea I know, you're a mod Iriez don't make any fake screen names. This is a call to Mhz - the guy who released Kawa-x, the guy who didn't say a word of how he doesn't want you running certain roms in his nfo even after it happened and after his 0.11 release. That's right - I wana hear from the guy who Iriez and Lantis claim gives a crap if people run roms that he didn't put support in the emu to run. I wana find out once and for all if maybe Lantis and Iriez just don't have a special copy and are just bitter because now everyone else can run the same roms. Afterall, it is childs play to circumvent what those who have run these roms have done in a new release and though the hackers may work around it again, this at least would be a statement in itself from mhz, the guy who we are supposed to believe has a problem with this and we are supposed to believe it at the word of IRIEZ AND LANTIS.

I say no. The guy's got a mouth, fingers, a keyboard, LET HIM SPEAK NOW if he has a problem because I'm frankly sick of hearing people gripe about the fact that everyone's done this when the author hasn't said even a word.

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No everybody won because everybody has by now played all these new roms and mhz probably doesn't care.

lol ..whatever you say kid. Once again, your blantant disrespect and immaturity shines through like a exploding star.

QUOTE

Let's face it, he hasn't said a word publically about it.  Only people like Iriez has.  There's been no mention in nfos, nothing saying "don't play these other roms" NOTHING.

Uh, you mean except for the fact that his emulator specifically discarded support for those games? Yea, i can see it now <MHz> "Hrmmm...i think im going to not include support for kof2002, ROTD, and Metal Slug 4 because bob hope died 2 days ago...yup, thats it..nothing to do with the sole fact that i am morally against giving out support to such new games, and that my PC version was exactly the same way"

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Perhaps for courtesy sake, he didn't put support in for these games for the public but maybe, just maybe (speculation) a few of his friends get a copy with the games enabled and perhaps Iriez and the likes are pissed because their copy isn't special anymore.  I dono.  Can't think of any other reason why they're so bitter that everybody has played these roms.  Mhz doesn't care.

Yes, thats right, i have been deleting threads that contain how to do what he specifically didnt want done (which is logically obvious because of the lack of support) because i am strictly and only personally motivated too, and it has nothing to do with MHz's requests. Riiiiight = )

Your basically calling me a liar. You are refuting what i have passed on to be false. Here is your mistake: You assume that i care enough about you to lie to you. I dont. Unintelligent people commonly make the mistake of assuming i care enough about them to lie to them....which i find very humourous

PS- He does care. (I guess you didnt catch that with the whole leaving out support for these games?....my oh my arnt we abit shallow)

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If you are so tight with MHZ and if MHZ is so upset about Kawa-x playing these new roms on the xbox of [by now] everybody who is even half-interested in doing so, for once LET THE GUY SPEAK.

Do you think im holding him on a leash saying "You cant reply" ? If he wanted to participate with lame forum threads he would do so...but quite frankly i think its beneath him. He's done enough hard work and he would probably much rather let someone else deal with the disrespectful children.

And to the rest of your rambling...

He will show exactly how much he doesnt appreciate it in the next release.

Of course, im just a big liar, and i dont deal with just about every single xbox developer in this entire scene, and i say these kinds of things for shits and giggles because its completely untrue </sarcasm>

PS- Its LANTUS moran

QUOTE (enigmatl @ Jul 31 2003, 10:00 PM)

No everybody won because everybody has by now played all these new roms and mhz probably doesn't care.  Let's face it, he hasn't said a word publically about it.  Only people like Iriez has.  There's been no mention in nfos, nothing saying "don't play these other roms" NOTHING.  Perhaps for courtesy sake, he didn't put support in for these games for the public but maybe, just maybe (speculation) a few of his friends get a copy with the games enabled and perhaps Iriez and the likes are pissed because their copy isn't special anymore.  I dono.  Can't think of any other reason why they're so bitter that everybody has played these roms.  Mhz doesn't care.  And Iriez, for the 15 millionth time both on this forum and other forums, read this carefully so I don't have to repeat myself, And DON'T IGNORE IT this time unless what I've said before is true. If you are so tight with MHZ and if MHZ is so upset about Kawa-x playing these new roms on the xbox of [by now] everybody who is even half-interested in doing so, for once LET THE GUY SPEAK.  Let him come into these forums and let him speak his mind about how he for some odd reason has a problem with people doing this.  No fake IRC copy/pastes.  I can make nice ones in notepad.  And yea I know, you're a mod Iriez don't make any fake screen names.  This is a call to Mhz - the guy who released Kawa-x, the guy who didn't say a word of how he doesn't want you running certain roms in his nfo even after it happened and after his 0.11 release.  That's right - I wana hear from the guy who Iriez and Lantis claim gives a crap if people run roms that he didn't put support in the emu to run.  I wana find out once and for all if maybe Lantis and Iriez just don't have a special copy and are just bitter because now everyone else can run the same roms.  Afterall, it is childs play to circumvent what those who have run these roms have done in a new release and though the hackers may work around it again, this at least would be a statement in itself from mhz, the guy who we are supposed to believe has a problem with this and we are supposed to believe it at the word of IRIEZ AND LANTIS. I say no.  The guy's got a mouth, fingers, a keyboard, LET HIM SPEAK NOW if he has a problem because I'm frankly sick of hearing people gripe about the fact that everyone's done this when the author hasn't said even a word.

While you may not beleive it people do have conversations in private. I did see his response, he was not happy, and that's that. Yes, if he wishes to chime in, he can. But would you beleive that it's him? I'm sure he'd love to get pm'd by 400 kids on this forum. That would make anyone's day, right?

There is no mention in nfo's because the first post on this forum re: one of these rom hacks was posted minutes after the current (.11) release. Should he register "omgdonthackmyromz.com" to get some pub, and to make you happy? Sorry, "No buffer for you!"

--falz

Iriez?

You say myz expresses his discontent for people running unsupported roms by not having support for them in his emulator.

Hmmm, I can't seem to find the link to download kawa-x on xbox-scene. If I read the rules right, I'm not even supposed to ask for a download link in these forums. Does that reflect this site's dislike for us, the users running Kawa-x or other bins like it? NO x-s has it's reasons and mhz has his. Perhaps he won't support the games for those reasons but that doesn't mean he cares if others run them. He did not put a block in these games, he simply did not add the files into the data area of the program. Evox doesn't come out of the box aware of every bios but does that mean that team evox detests other bioses being run? NO.

You have a problem with my use of the word "let". I suggest you get a grasp of the English language. I was obviously not using the word let in the sense "to permit" I was using it in the sense of having or calling him out to speak.

Calling you a liar is at the blunt end of what I'm saying and it's more like it's time to show that you're not a liar if that's how you want to put it. Mhz doesn't have to get into a lengthy debate if he wants to but as it is, he doesn't say two words about this in his nfo or these forums or anywhere.

Now to the most significant part of your post, you said and I quote:

"He will show exactly how much he doesnt appreciate it in the next release. "

Now, you say you're not a liar and you are speaking for him and if that is not true and if you are lieing then the following should be disregarded.

If what you say is true then yes I guess that would be a statement of his discontent and I will believe you. But it sounds more like a threat to me and let me tell you that if you are emplying that the next release will do damage to the systems of those running unsupported roms, BRING IT ON! Do you know how many people that would piss off? Many with talent. Many of the smart people who keep their system, bios, and eeproms safely backed up would turn that program into a hackfest beyond epic proportion. You think it's hacked now, you ain't seen nothin. There'll be Kawa-x editors, cracked Kawa-x's, every tool to make every change emaginable would be released by those who got pissed off. So going THERE would not be wise. But if what you seem to be emplying is true, I am ready. I said it before. I was pretty much done with Kawa-x and back to playing KOTOR. But now, I'll be watching/waiting on future releases just to make sure that what it looks like you're emplying gets circumvented and fixed.

QUOTE (enigmatl @ Jul 31 2003, 09:52 PM)

Hmmm, I can't seem to find the link to download kawa-x on xbox-scene.  If I read the rules right, I'm not even supposed to ask for a download link in these forums.  Does that reflect this site's dislike for us, the users running Kawa-x or other bins like it?  NO x-s has it's reasons and mhz has his.  Perhaps he won't support the games for those reasons but that doesn't mean he cares if others run them.

You cannot download kawa-x on xbox-scene because it was compiled with the XDK. Since MHz is most likely not a official MS developer, then it would make the build illegal to host. xbox-scene wont host it because they dont want MS filing a lawsuit against them. It has absolutly nothing to do with whether x-s wants or doesnt want you using them.

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He  did not put a block in these games, he simply did not add the files into the data area of the program.

You are suggesting he specifically left this out so that you could get around his program. I find that a incredibly silly idea, and entirely illogical considering the fact that he obviously didnt want the program to play them if he didnt fully add support.

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Evox doesn't come out of the box aware of every bios but does that mean that team evox detests other bioses being run?  NO.

Evolution-X has a specific function that allows you to flash the bios. They obviously added in support for this feature, and even the support of flashing other bios's by letting you configure the evox.ini to support different bios's (instead of hard coding it into the xbe and leaving the configuration for new bios's non existant). It is quite obvious that they want you to do this. MHz specifically did not add full support for playing of those newer games.

Does that make it more clear to you? Dont take it too personally, but you have some really poor analogies. Try to educate yourself more on the topic before you attempt to make a point. If you create a argument that can be denied through logical conclusion, then you might aswell not make the point at all.

I suggest you read up on logical fallacies, its very insightful.

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Mhz doesn't have to get into a lengthy debate if he wants to but as it is, he doesn't say two words about this in his nfo or these forums or anywhere.

Read what falz said to you, it might be insightful in response to this ignorant statement.

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But it sounds more like a threat to me and let me tell you that if you are emplying that the next release will do damage to the systems of those running unsupported roms, BRING IT ON!

It was not a threat, it was a factual statement. And no, MHz would never think of damaging any of your systems, he doesnt stoop to the childish level that you think on.

enigmatl, wtf is wrong with you? You talk as if you were the scene, you were "the leader of all end users". Stop talking like a communist. If anyone has "lost" something, it was you. You're losing your time here... no one is laughing at your jokes anymore, you're not Rowan Atkinson.

Suggestion: don't take it personal... oh wait, you already did. Since you're a christian, why don't you turn off you computer, just count to ten, PRAY and let this one go?

/me adds enigmatl to his personal list of people to blame if Kawa-X is suspended/cancelled.

Well, though I follow this site's obserd dules, I see nothing wrong with what everybody has done. There are hacks for every emu known to man for Windows. Nebula, Neo Rage, and Kawaks to name a few. It never stops new releases of these emulators. They just keep adding features and running more stable. I read a post somewhere that was quite dated from the Neorage author that stated, "Even when you run a hack of our emulator, you are being disrespectful." He goes on to say that this will most likely stop future releases and then releases of that emu came out for YEARS.

I'm not saying "ignore them, their threats are idle." but they are in fact idle for the most part. What I am saying though is that lack of updates is never a reason to not hack or run hacked emus.

The authors of these emus are good people. But when you release something cool, you have to understand that the way most people are, if that emulator does something even cooler, people are going to find a way to do it.

It may be right, it may be wrong but the same thing can be said for the making of the emulator.

In retaliation, the author can make his work harder to hack. But that is wasted energy. Somebody always figures a work around.

So in the end, the penalty for hacking or running some hacked versions of someone's work is SLOWER releases because some of the creative effort is put into stopping the hacking even if it's temporary.

This is just the nature of how the world works at least as far as emu makers vs the hackers/exploiters.

I could stop using anything kawa-x related that wasn't intended by the author but truthfully, what would I be doing for the author? Would Mhz stop worrying about it (if he actually is) and would he work on features and not hacking prevention just because *I* promised not to use a hacked Kawa-x or hacked roms on his emulator and promised only to play by his rules? Could Mhz even care less if I stopped using it? would anything in the world come of the fact that I stopped using it?

You could tell me all this stuff about how I'd be acting all morally correct and my self worth would be increased but in the end, I'm a cause and effect kind of person. I try to masure what will happen with everything I do. Who willl be helped/hurt, what will happen.

If I hack/use the hacks, I get to play a bunch of games. People will complaine but they complaine regardless.

If I don't hack/use the hacks, nothing happens 'cept I don't get to play the good games and since others are doing it, Mhz is still gona do what he's gona do wheather it be nothing, stop releasing, or putting more effort toward prevention.

So, I can't see what good it will do anyone to stop.

QUOTE (Rasenmaehen @ Aug 1 2003, 04:45 AM)

enigmatl, wtf is wrong with you? You talk as if you were the scene, you were "the leader of all end users". Stop talking like a communist. If anyone has "lost" something, it was you. You're losing your time here... no one is laughing at your jokes anymore, you're not Rowan Atkinson. Suggestion: don't take it personal... oh wait, you already did. Since you're a christian, why don't you turn off you computer, just count to ten, PRAY and let this one go? /me adds enigmatl to his personal list of people to blame if Kawa-X is suspended/cancelled.

Oh no! I'm on Rasenmaehen's LIST! What ever shall I do? Oh wait, that's right nothing - cuz Rasenmaehen's list is meaningless. Kawa-x is going the same place Kawaks, Neorage, and the likes went when they wre hacked. Get over it! If it does, there's 10 more like it waiting in the wings and only a year of strong xbox life left as is. Me thinks Kawa-x as is is strong enough to hold me til I ditch my xbox. Who needs cheats when you can just add quarters? Be nice and all but I can live with Kawa-x as is.

This scene is becoming lamer by the second.

QUOTE (Storum @ Aug 1 2003, 05:42 AM)

This emulator will be hack. Very people in the world love neo geo. cooming: FBA with support for roms of neo geo. Its great. Lantus is the man !!! Rumors: Nebula for xbox too Kawa - x: the next year (or more) for run kof2002, rod, mslug4... ooohh man Guys, stop fighiting !!!

What the hell was that supposed to mean?

Dante_Ali,

this is just a rumor, i read it in a other xbox message board...

QUOTE (Storum @ Jul 31 2003, 10:42 PM)

This emulator will be hack. Very people in the world love neo geo.

englesh are being bad speekar

Yuo having are badish ghrammer

Sense making poor , comprehension possible not.

Being are drunk or foriegn

Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ. Be happy with what you've got.

Keep this thread going, though. I can't remember the last time I've had this much fun skipping over stupidarse posts.

Sure KOF2002 and Metal Slug 4 are good games and would be nice to play etc etc, but I reckon most of the complaints are just simple childish actions... they want something they are not supposed to have.

Remember the old Simpsons episode with Bart and Lisa...
Lisa: Dad, this isn't about glue. It's about territoriality.
He only wants the glue because I'm using it.
Bart: Oh yeah? Prove it.
Lisa: [hands him the glue] Here.
Bart: Hey man, I don't want your stupid glue.

Children do it all the time and before you go flaming my now, saying that you just want to play the game..geez think about every other friggin game you've been given for free, every other free emu and app you've been given for free too. Not to mention all of the info, tutorials and news you've been given for free.

Simple manners go along way

Storum: LOL, even if that were true - do you think Elsemi is the kind of guy who would built in support for your precious Playmore releases? If you really think that then you're kidding yourself - if you thought Mr.K was bad wait until you get a load of Elsemi

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Leeds oh that brings back memories, Sid Fox, The Code club, West Indian centre, the orbit and who can forget planet earth on a wednesday. Have a quick one in the hyde park social for me.

I'm no even sure if he's still there but I can give you directions, it's on the Manchester Rd. between Lidl's & Wykes. Near the centre of huddersfield, walkable from the train station.

http://uk2.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?X=4...1&multimap.y=61

I live in the midlands now but I loved Leeds lived their for 3 years.