Ok heres the thing there are so many posts on this same question about patching newer games, but everyone has there own answer. I have a 4977 xbox i think thats right, and prolly almost a year ago I bought the Enigmah Final and installed it. After that I was backing up all my games fine including Halo, Mech Assault, Ghost Recon, and prolly 20 more. In the past couple months I cant get the newer games I purchased to backup. I really dont know about this whole patch thing. Ive downloaded adr_patcher and that worked for a couple of the games, then it stopped. Im not sure if its out of date or something. Ive recently downloaded IsoCraxtion and it wont even start cause i dont have that gdfimage or whatever. Ok so I use flashfxp to transfer the data to my computer. Then I use simpleX to make an iso. Then Id patch it with adr_patcher and it mostly says the game has no patches. So then I use RecordNowMax to make an Iso dvd. Then It just stays at the EvoX screen not loading it even though most of the time it says Game in the top right corner. Alright well my hand is getting tired from typing. If anyone would throw me a bone on this one it be helpful. Thanks